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Your first big mistake is ever believing that racially aware Whites are all "uneducated, barefooted-hicks", who do you think invented that stereotype? The Jews created that false concept because they know how important social respectability is to Whites. Let me explain this to you: I know a guy who lives in a $300,000 dollar house and his bookshelf is full of racially aware literature, but you won't see this guy on TV because the mass media knows that if Whites ever exposed the "racism is for White trash" slogan as a lie, Jewish multicultural brainwashing wouldn't work anymore.

A 300,000 dollar house is expensive? Our house just got appraised for 2.8 million.


 
Posted : 18/04/2005 10:50 am
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Do you live in a house, or inhabit a small town? Maybe it's the minimalist in me talking, but that sounds like a huge waste of resources.


KILL YOUR TV! Or at least stop taking it more seriously than a goldfish.

 
Posted : 18/04/2005 11:05 am
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A 300,000 dollar house is expensive? Our house just got appraised for 2.8 million.

The point was that the media portrays all White racialists as living in "trailer parks", both you and I are proving that the stereotype is false.


 
Posted : 18/04/2005 1:40 pm
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-German Law:

Of course it is difficult to say where the thin line between legality and illegality
in Germany is,since this line is fluent all the time.Being against multiculturalism is for the moment legal and is not yet considered "incitement to racial hate".
Also demonstrating,as long as you behave well,is of course legal and will not get you in conflict with the Law.
Someday the System might forbit it,but for the time being it has to give us
the elemental right to demonstrate.Of course the System allows us to demonstrate only after agreeing on numerous of his demands.For example we are not allowed to show any uniformity when marching,are not allowed to wear clothings with the numbers 88,14 and so forth.
Even if you do get in conflict with the law,you must do something more serious then calling a black a "nigger" for example to get deported,well at least as long as you dont do it repeatedly.If for example the System believes that you are a terrorist or a member of a terrorist Organisation,then you could get deported.

Owning racist propaganda of any kind is not illegal per se.As long as you dont distribute it,lend it,borrow it,sell it,give it,or show it.
It is only legal as long as you alone see it,hear it,read it or whatever.And then again it
must not be somewhere in your house where somebody could see it.Sounds ridiculous? Welcome in 1984.
So owning "Mein Kampf" is not illegal but shoving it in your bookshelf between
Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud is a no-no.Because a visitor could see it and that is against the law.So owning racist propaganda of any kind is legal in Germany as long as you shove it in a box and put it in your closet.Nazi symbols and Personalities are only allowed to be shown publicly in a disgracefull manner.Hanging a nazi-flag or hitler poster in your room is illegal,while hanging a poster on the wall showing a Jew pissing on the swastika is ok by the law.I think you get the point.Nazi symbols are only allowed to be shown publicly in a clearly disgracefull manner.The smallest sign of glorrification is punishable.
There is a funny story about it:
A month ago we staged a Demonstration in Schwaebisch Hall.A week before the Demo,a Antiracist was littering the area with leaflets and handing over to citizens flyers,where the leftists called for a Anti-Demo against us.On these flyers the swastika was shown but only after carefully reading it one could see it was a Antiracist flyer.The Police found it and only gave it a quick glance.They thought it was racist Propaganda and arrested the Antiracist and put charges on him for "incitement to racial hate".They made him recollect all those handed and littering flyers and then took him over to the Police station.A week later he could not be in Schwaebisch Hall demonstrating against us,because he was in court trying to prove his innocense.

Of course numerous items in Germany are on the Index,either es total-forbidden,
partly-forbidden or allowed but state-boycotted.
There are many movies,books and music items,whose aquisition is forbidden by law.
Then there are items which are only partly forbidden.For example:
A music album is allowed but some of the songs on it are forbidden!
Or a music album is forbidden,but some of the songs on it are allowed!
Dont ask me how this can be done.Are we supposed to close our ears when the forbidden songs start and open them again when they are over?And how can we listen to allowedsongs on a forbidden album?When its against the law to buy it?
And then of course the state-boycotted items.Best example of this is the movie
Romper Stomper:
It is allowed to watch the movie,but when it came out not a single movie theater across the country showed it.Also you could not buy it from your local video-store because they didnt sell it.And they of course never ever showed the movie on any TV-channel.So comrades who had no connections to foreign comrades in France,Belgium or Holland never did get to see the movie.On top of that in the German version all the controversial speeches were cut.
Fortunately the uncut German dvd-version of 2003 can be found in any serious dvd-store.

While the banning of political Parties is difficult and can be done only by the
Supreme Court (even though numerous neonazi Parties have indeed been banned since ww2),the banning of Organisations by the System is rather easy.All it needs is for the System to suspect that a Organisation by a name X has similarities to the NSDAP.Remember no prove is needed.The meer supspect of the System is enough to ban such a Organisation and deem it a illegal and terrorist group.Police can now raid the homes of all those who were members of this Organisation and they can consficate whatever they want.Of course the activities you did before the organisation was prophibited are not illegal,but any activity you do after
that is stritcly forbidden by the Law.Of course comrades just break up the organisation X and start a new one by the name Y.But it is a pain in the ass.Imagine yourselve being a member of an Organisation and trying hard for months and years with around the clock Propaganda to get known by the public and then the system just bans you.All this work,all this years for nothing...and you have to start all over again.

Mocking the German state,its constitution and the state symbols is a BIG no-no.
It would be illegal for me to write something like this in this open forum:
"It is very hard to tell you where the line between what is legal and what not is,since the banana laws of this Banana Republik are changing constantely."
At this point of course i want to make clear that it never ever crossed my mind to mock our wonderful german Democracy.

-Demonstrations:

I dont know what Demo you saw,but i can only guess it was a Dortmund Demonstration. Actually we have Police on every single Demonstration.I myself dont remember ever being on one without some "police-escort".The System sends Police to our Demos to intervere between us and the Antis.As you yourselve quoted :"Dortmund is our city!"
There are no Antis in Dortmund and we totaly control the streets of this city,so not much Police is needed.But the System sends a few nevertheless to ensure we behave well and dont break the law on "incitement to racial hate".

As i said before the Movement is very heterogenous.In the area called Ruhrpott,which encludesthe Working Class cities of NRW,like Dortmund,Essen,Wuppertal e.t.c. there is a part of the free resistance who call themselves "autonome Nationalisten" = autonom Nationalists.
They have the theory that the Idea of Natonal Socialism is good but we have to change our appearance and make it more mainstream to reach more people with our Propaganda.They are adopting the typical leftist-clothing style and marching style (the banner-colors and flags for example) and even some of the typical leftist Propaganda.Look at the homepage of the Wuppertal Unit for more information: http://www.anwm.tk/
By the way you will find there a video of our Demo in Essen on 16.04.2005.You will see that half of the crowd are "normalos" and the rest are skinheads.
In East Germany most of the neonazis are Skins.But even there a slow change is seen.
By the way you must not forget that the Skinhead culture is not the only Youth subculture we infiltrated.Since the mid 90's till today we have partly succesfull infiltrated the Black Metal scene and we are now trying to infiltrade the Gothic Subculture.

-Your Whiteness:

since i dont know you,i cannot speak for you.As long as you are a white man with no
non-white admixture,at least not in your immediate ancestry (grand-grandparents) you are fine by me.Of course there are People in the Movement who only accept 100% Germans,but as i said before the Movement is very heterogenous.The best thing you can do is ask the regional Unit,or e-mail them and confront them with your situation.Propably you will be accepted.

-Elections:

As far as i know you have the right to vote for the elections for the European Parlament and for your German city council,in the city you will live.But to be able to vote for the state and the National Parlament you need to be German citizen.


In the age of Globalization,its not the international Left,but the nationalist Right,which is the true anticapitalist force,which will set restrictions on the international Capital and will secure and improve the nation-state as a social shelter.

 
Posted : 18/04/2005 1:59 pm
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-German Law:
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Very informative, thanks for that.

There is a funny story about it:
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Ha! Very amusing. The thing with the forbidden albums/songs was quite funny as well.

Quick question, then, on actually buying forbidden items from abroad. If I ordered a book illegal in Germany from, let's say, the american Amazon.com website, would customs open up my package and then I suddenly have the cops knocking on my door?

The reason I'm asking this is 'cause I remember a while ago hearing Germans talking about horror films, and how some could not buy films that were considered too violent in Germany due to customs.

While the banning of political Parties is difficult and can be done only by the
Supreme Court (even though numerous neonazi Parties have indeed been banned since ww2),the banning of Organisations by the System is rather easy.All it needs is for the System to suspect that a Organisation by a name X has similarities to the NSDAP.

I read about the government's failed attempt to ban the NPD only a few months ago. It also seems like its gaining a lot of publicity lately.

Imagine yourselve being a member of an Organisation and trying hard for months and years with around the clock Propaganda to get known by the public and then the system just bans you.All this work,all this years for nothing...and you have to start all over again.

Perhaps leaderless resistance is the answer.

Mocking the German state,its constitution and the state symbols is a BIG no-no.
It would be illegal for me to write something like this in this open forum:
"It is very hard to tell you where the line between what is legal and what not is,since the banana laws of this Banana Republik are changing constantely."
At this point of course i want to make clear that it never ever crossed my mind to mock our wonderful german Democracy.

We are in full agreement here, of course.

There are no Antis in Dortmund and we totaly control the streets of this city,so not much Police is needed.But the System sends a few nevertheless to ensure we behave well and dont break the law on "incitement to racial hate".

Good. Dortmund is not very far from where I will be.

They have the theory that the Idea of Natonal Socialism is good but we have to change our appearance and make it more mainstream to reach more people with our Propaganda.

Yes, what is your personal opinion on that?

By the way, the http://www.anwm.tk link doesn't work.

By the way you must not forget that the Skinhead culture is not the only Youth subculture we infiltrated.Since the mid 90's till today we have partly succesfull infiltrated the Black Metal scene and we are now trying to infiltrade the Gothic Subculture.

Speaking of NSBM, it would be great if I could catch Absurd playing sometime. One of my favourite bands.

since i dont know you,i cannot speak for you.As long as you are a white man with no
non-white admixture,at least not in your immediate ancestry (grand-grandparents) you are fine by me.Of course there are People in the Movement who only accept 100% Germans,but as i said before the Movement is very heterogenous.

Understandable if they only accept Germans. I will help Germany as much as I can.

Thanks for the info.


 
Posted : 18/04/2005 2:56 pm
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A serious attempt to regain control will take more than 100% Germans but any white nationality willing to help. The movement should even welcome the support of any non-whites that want to secure a better world for themselves as well (Arabs, Asians, etc). Let's be honest, German is just a nationality, you can easily make other white nationalities indistinguishable from Germans by teaching them the language and customs. Do you think Poland means anything? Czech Republic? Slovakia? Europe needs to be more united, countries need to be absorbed into Germany and Germany needs to be what it once was long ago, a great Empire.

German isn't a race, it's a people who belong to a country. Biologically we should breed the people with the best traits and create a master race. Sounds familiar eh? The National Socialists of 60 years ago had the plans drawn up for a Utopia. I will give my life in battle for this cause! A better world for perhaps 1000 years!


 
Posted : 18/04/2005 4:03 pm
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Do you live in a house, or inhabit a small town? Maybe it's the minimalist in me talking, but that sounds like a huge waste of resources.

guess it depends where you live. anyways it just sounded silly to me that a 300k house was like AMAZING! (no shame if you don't have an expensive house) its stupid to compare peoples houses to each other.


 
Posted : 18/04/2005 4:04 pm
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The point was that the media portrays all White racialists as living in "trailer parks", both you and I are proving that the stereotype is false.

Most stereotypes have a bit of truth to them (look at all the stereo types you guys throw at Jews, Blacks, etc!) Most "white racialists" I've met aren't very well off. (Not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule)


 
Posted : 18/04/2005 4:08 pm
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Again: where do we start? Your guess is as good as mine, but I have made it my new goal in life to somehow bring this to fruition, or at least be a part of such a thing's happening. A real, meaningful White movement that is concerned only with the protection and proliferation of our race is what we should all strive for - not politics, not pandering to the powers that be. Real, non-political allegiance of our people.

I think that, ultimately, our final vehicle may be a combination of revolutionary propaganda backed with a legal arm such as a bonafide political party, with the revolutionaries only loosely associated with the more mainstream organization. The revolutionaries propagandize ceaselessly to awaken our people, except once one is awakened he doesn't turn into a useless profanity-laden mouthpiece, but has already been expertly pointed toward the direction of our political arm, which will continue his indoctrination so that he may become a productive member of the movement.

When the scale has tipped toward our side far enough (and it will never truly go more than halfway in our direction if we play by ZOG's rules) - once it has tipped close enough, then we can all create one enormous single-handed thrust that will propel us into power - that, or we tip the scale fully through cunning and sabotage, but again in one fell swoop.

After that we take up the re-education of our people.

But I believe that what will be crucial at first is the initial propaganda: we must provide the sleeping White man with a new organizational nexus. Dr. William Pierce describe's the nexus here, and he is absolutely correct. I know that, in my mind, had there been such a nexus for White nationalist thought, I would have come around much sooner.

The more I read Dr. Pierce's writings, the greater my respect grows for him. He has already done a lot of thinking and addressed many issues long before many new-comers even thought to pose the question, and I believe a thorough reading of the knowledge he left behind is an important part of the new blood's education.

Lastly, I think that another important part of this education is motivation. We all know we share the same goal - but what is it that drives us: hate or love? It is important to hate those who'd wish your destruction (the jew himself preaches this). It's a natural and healthy reflex - a reflex which has been unforgivably robbed from our people. But I think that love should always outweigh the hatred. Is this making sense? Our hatred is not a means in itself, it's part of our defense; true LOVE for our race, however, is the ultimate and driving factor.

Hate shrivels away and dies. It requires constant fuel. Love never does. She is eternal.

I love my race. That is why I'm here. And I will symbolically skullfuck to oblivion any vermin that tries to make it disappear off the face of this earth. He will find his fucking life in pieces before MY children ever inherit the shit-infested hole he thinks he's preparing for them.


 
Posted : 18/04/2005 4:43 pm
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Most stereotypes have a bit of truth to them (look at all the stereo types you guys throw at Jews, Blacks, etc!) Most "white racialists" I've met aren't very well off. (Not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule)

This is starting to smell like an ANTI.


 
Posted : 18/04/2005 5:09 pm
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Since i have never bought forbidden items from Amazon.com i cannot answer your question.Perhaps Amazon informs the local customs whenever somebody here in Germany orders forbidden items.

Perhaps leaderless resistance is the answer.

This is what free resistance is all about.Leaderless resistance = Free resistance.

Yes, what is your personal opinion on that?

By the way, the http://www.anwm.tk link doesn't work.

I think its a good idea that the movement is evolving.As every time when a movement
opens itself to the mainstream there are pro's and contra's.
While by openning to the mainstream you can get more people on the "boat",but on the other hand the danger is bigger that the Movement might itself get infiltrated by informants and rats.Since this openning to the mainstream happens on a experimental base we cant lose much if it fails.
The homogeneity within the Movement was important when the odds were tremendous.Back in 1987 when Rudolf Hess was found hanged in his prison cell only 70 neonazis could be gathered from the entire West Germany to demonstrate.18 years later we staged with more then 5000 neo's one of the biggest nazi demonstrations since ww2.
Also the demos in Runsiedel (in rememberence of Rudolf Hess) attract about 2000-3000 neo's the last 2-3 years.
Even at the first half of the 90's we were hopelessly outnoumbered by the Anti's.
When we demonstrated with 100-200 men the Antis could muster a few thousands against us on the streets.Today they still outnumber us but only at a rate of 1:3 and only after the entire System mobilize against us.All the established Parties,the Church,
the major trade-unions and all the Anti-groups.

P.S. the link works fine with me.


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Posted : 22/04/2005 9:26 am
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here's what leaderless resistance has accomplished in the past 10 years in America: nothing.


 
Posted : 22/04/2005 9:43 am
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We need a leader who can somehow convince a large number of people to think like we do, someone like Hitler :)


 
Posted : 22/04/2005 9:58 am
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We need a leader who can somehow convince a large number of people to think like we do, someone like Hitler :)

part of the reality we need to come to grips with on Hitler, is that "large numbers of people" agreed with Hilter's views, but the large numbers that would agree with us are decidedly smaller.

Neither "leaderless resistance" nor "mass movement" 30s era tactics would be a blueprint for us. However both ideas contain some good that may be gleaned.

In the end, the only magic bullets are "hard work" and "sacrifice."


 
Posted : 22/04/2005 11:00 am
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We need a country in Europe, I have a feeling a lot of people are closet White Nationalists and once they see an establishment, they will pour into the border and things will happen :) Do you think a government will adopt a National Socialist regime? If something like this is established, I would fly over there before you can say 'Sieg Heil'.

If something doesn't happen within the next 10-20 years, I will take it apon myself to do something. I am currently too young to be taken seriously, Hitler didn't start to become politically active until he was 30.


 
Posted : 22/04/2005 11:15 am
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