I'm Dean, the same guy who is probably still at the top of the list for TAA donations. I had to drop my "Superdean" label because I lost that password.

Doesn't change the fact that I am behind in my donations. I'll get it together soon! Can't let that southern girl get ahead of me!

Fair enough, dkfrommn. No offense intended, just a lil spur. I'll look forward, and will expect, to hear from you though.

Yeah, Babycakes has far more fire in her than most of the men on here, that's for sure.

Bumping...

Hey J.P., I asked you to state your purpose for being on VNNF. Your answer was: "To liberate others from logical fallacies that have plagued our people in our struggle to regain control over our society and values."

Now then, would you kindly tell this board which VNN "fallacies" you work to liberate us from ?? Are those "fallacies" (1) The Aryan Alternative newspaper, (2) VNN's Radio Network, (3) VNN's mass mailings of TAA to college fraternities, and/or (4) Byron Jost's DVD project: "A Line in the Sand" ???

Be honest, clear, concise, and unambiguous - like I always am for example.

(Now we'll see if he's an honorable White man or just another Norcal/Draco/Intrepid "intellectual" deliberately spreading defeatism, division, and demoralizations on this forum).

Fair enough, dkfrommn. No offense intended, just a lil spur. I'll look forward, and will expect, to hear from you though.

Yeah, Babycakes has far more fire in her than most of the men on here, that's for sure.

No offense taken, everyone can use a little "spur to action" now and then. And when compared to the lifetime of activism and self-sacrifice guys like you and Wil Williams have given over the years, a hundred dollars here and there is NOTHING. It's not too much to ask, I think.

Mr. White Will:
I have taken time to simmer in thought.
So far you pass the litmus test of truth.
This is what I am hearing ….

.It is that white blood that flows through my vein, which is all important? It is this bloodline that brings me to this circle? Not the want of country or religion, but a want for white freedom? Not that I think I need to carry on the fight my daddy fought for the idea of American freedom? Not to carry on the fight of a couple of my long ago grand papaws who carried the rebel flag and fought for their southern Christian ways? We all come because our white blood, body, and soul tells us too? Oh no, I am far too humble for such a thought!!! Is that “my jewish jesus” talking to me, killing my white spirit? Cause if he was a true WHITE jesus he would of stood and fought? The idea of the knight in shinning armor is one in the same as the idea of jesus, except our knight wears armor and fights and the jew king wears the crown of thorns and plays the martyr? Man, the jews really need jesus more than us, for they are the true sinners. He hates his race so much he chose to die and stop the blood line. lol

You are suggesting that the masters cull our righteous nature that flows through our veins away from race and towards what ever cause our zog government tells us? And thus being instead of America, a home of white freedom, due to the fact that our white forefathers lacked insight to place more priority to our whiteness instead of the chain of Christianity on which our great nation now uses to link us all together , now a safe home and tool of the jew? And this has allowed a loop hole for whoever wants to reign in the power of our white population?

Many men I have met shuck jesus off the core of their righteous living. . These are core values that I assumed in my bright eye naïve way come for the good Lord, but I ain’t the type to kid myself when I’m up against a wall. I would have believed our strength comes from the Lord or past down through good family values.

Thanks for being patient with the subject, your post is the best post I have read in dealing with this Christianity problem and understanding it how ya view it.
I have a hard time finding a reasonable person to talk with about it. Most of my fellow Christians keep away from me and my words. I don’t think they like my ideas pertaining to the bible, I am too far out. I often wonder if other folks are going through the same thought process as me.

There are a lot of reasonable White people here to help deprogram good people like you from the suicidal Jesus brain bomb and to then help you to wrap your mind around a more healthful belief system that's based absolutely on the primacy of race. If your "fellow Xians" keep away from you because you ask them tough questions about their beliefs, questions which make them uncomfortable and stammering to come up with reasonable answers, then that's their problem -- You've busted them! If they are honest with themselves then they should then acknowledge that they really need to take a hard look at their beliefs, don't you think?

Turning around wrongheaded, destructive thinking is sort of like giving up any other bad habit -- you need to choose new playmates as well as new playgrounds, as they advise in Alcoholics Anonymous and other 12-step programs. Don't keep hanging around churches. Very few if any of your "fellow Xians" will follow you out of their comfort zones now, but you'll be much better off hanging with responsible, "fellow biological race thinkers" once you've made the break, believe me.

It's all a game of numbers; when things get more desperate for our race and the time comes when there are more of us clear-eyed race-thinkers than there are escapist spook chasers, the latter will come over to us in droves and the few remaining worshippers of our enemy's tribal god can shut up, crawl up under rocks, where they belong, to cower and wait to be whisked up to their imaginary heaven.

Most of us were raised in Xian homes, so to speak, and some of the most effective deprogrammers among us are those who have actually read their Jewish Scriptures and can therefore debate their deluded "fellow Xians" from an informed point of view. Just read the Sermon on the Mount for example to get the essence of suicidal Xianity: Love thine enemies; turn the other cheek; lift up the weak and the meek, and all that other suicidal crap, that have your "fellow Xians" by the neck. Nonsense!

Remember, if 80,000,000 Germans could be de-Nazified, then 200,000,000 White Americans can be de-Judaized/Xianized.

Why build a house on quicksand? Why build a port city 8 ft. below sea level?
Why center a worldview around a lie? The essential teachings of ALL mysticisms are falsehoods. Living a lie means hiding a part of yourself from yourself. Many people do this and defend their self deception unto death rather than breach the internal divide. A breath of clean, fresh air; a taste of wholesome, delicious food; good family and friends; why must one thank an imaginary spook in the sky for these? Trying to put tits on a bull is un-necessary and dangerous. It achieves nothing, in any case.

JaneWhite88 & White Will, this is a topic of interest to me, too. I think I am about 90% deprogrammed. It's that last 10%, though. In any case, I'm going to do it my way.

It has occurred to me that Christ's and Paul's preachings were targeted toward the jews who lived at that time, and boy, they were mostly a bad bunch, esp. the leaders. So, to make his point, Christ overstated his case, maybe hoping that if they went at least half-way, then his life & sacrifice would not have been a total waste.

As for moi, it just suddenly came into my head one day that it was crazy for me to take my cues on how to live and how to think from a 2,000-year old set of teachings originating with a desert people. How could I possibly relate to any of this? How can any of this guide me, in the 21-st century? I forced myself to wise up. ( I did go through a religious rebirth, sort of, some years ago, where all I was doing for awhile was constantly praying for mercy.)

But I don't support throwing out the baby with the bathwater: Christ & Paul said some pretty smart things. They weren't wrong about everything, only the emphasis on constant self-sacrifice and letting everybody treat you like a doormat.

We just have to give it up. Which will be very hard specially in the bible belt. If you believe in Christianity, you must turn the other cheek (be a coward), believe people turning into salt, talking snakes, humanity only being 6,000 years old, and some jew dieing on a cross for your sins which somehow its your fault, some worldwide flood that never took place, noahs arc LOL, and many historical errors.

JaneWhite88 & White Will, this is a topic of interest to me, too. I think I am about 90% deprogrammed. It's that last 10%, though. In any case, I'm going to do it my way.

It has occurred to me that Christ's and Paul's preachings were targeted toward the jews who lived at that time, and boy, they were mostly a bad bunch, esp. the leaders. So, to make his point, Christ overstated his case, maybe hoping that if they went at least half-way, then his life & sacrifice would not have been a total waste.

As for moi, it just suddenly came into my head one day that it was crazy for me to take my cues on how to live and how to think from a 2,000-year old set of teachings originating with a desert people. How could I possibly relate to any of this? How can any of this guide me, in the 21-st century? I forced myself to wise up. ( I did go through a religious rebirth, sort of, some years ago, where all I was doing for awhile was constantly praying for mercy.)

But I don't support throwing out the baby with the bathwater: Christ & Paul said some pretty smart things. They weren't wrong about everything, only the emphasis on constant self-sacrifice and letting everybody treat you like a doormat.

It's good to see such progress like this in the thinking of our people. Stronza, it's much easier for you to admit to yourself now that the so-called "religious rebirth" you experienced after all those one-way conversations you had with the Jewish SuperSpook, begging His mercy for all your sins, real and imagined, and all that, was self-delusional, thereby "crazy." Superstition and gullibility are not virtues; skepticism and a healthy, inquisitive, truth-seeking attitude are what will lead one out of the darkness, the irrational guilt and fear of of Jew-spawned Bible "faith." First, one must admit that he doesn't want to conform to the unquestioning herd, and daring to be different like that is not easy for most people. By developing a race-centered worldview at the same time the deprogramming process makes more sense.

Atheists, without this racial grounding are rather hollow -- they believe in nothing; they simply don't believe in the other fellow's spook. Our beliefs must be stronger and more honest than the herd's in order to attract the best and brightest of them, and by being unapologetically both racist AND anti-Xian we naturally attract those strong and honest people we are after. It's simple and effective. The number of that type is growing organically here right before our eyes on VNN as the Bible thumpers are made to feel more and more helpless and ridiculous in the face of our arguments. They will scatter to racist groups where they are more welcome, where their Bible-based delusions will find reinforcement.

The bathwater you still seek to preserve is as fetid and toxic as are the waters of New Orleans now. Don't try to find a drink there, by looking for something "good" from Jews like Saul or from his mythical Jesus. Instead draw a big, refreshing gulp from the VNN spring of truth and genuine hope. Or, as Ben Klassen often said in speaking of Xianity: "Why would anyone attempt to dig through a barrel of rotten, stinking apples looking for a few good bites when he has an entire orchard of fresh fruit to pick from?" Every religion has some good in it; every religion has its variation of the ten commandments, for example. But that's no reason to cling to otherwise destructive beliefs.

A good book that will help you dispel the Christ myth once and for all was written 130 years ago by Percy Graves, _The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors, or Christianity Before Christ_. It's available for less than $20 on Amazon.com. Graves documents many of the saviors/messiahs/wizards that preceded Jaysus, showing the compilation of those characters and other roots from which the Jesus myth sprang. Atheists are good for something, after all: debunking the insidious lies of Jews like Saul for one thing.

G'mornin', mate. Well, I appreciate your long, personal post to me. Yes, I knew long ago that there were other Jesus-type stories, esp. in societies different from the white ones. For example, I recall a Persian (I think) tale about a virgin who would have a Son, who would be persecuted and whose death would Save The World. And you say there's more like this. Maybe I will save my pennies and get that book.

I don't agree that the bible should be ignored. There is wisdom. How about John 8:44 for starters? I believe that there was a Jesus Christ. I also think that he was "taken over" by certain parties and developed into something to subdue people. Ever read the Essene Gospel of Peace? It is a more sensible view of Christ.

I am taken by the old, old yin-yang view of the world, though, always have been, within my Christian beliefs, and within my now-agnostic thinking. (Agnosticism just means you know damn well you don't have all the answers.) It seems to me that this view overrides any other "cosy 'n' complete" world view anyone could come up with, because all it does is explain the movement of everything in the universe, the movement from one thing to its opposite.

And it all makes sense to me: I see a danger of lurching from a pathological dependency on the big jewish Superspook to its other extreme: thinking onesself invincible and not subject to anything other than one's own ideas and urges, constant searching for Salvation VS thinking we know all the answers. And it is a dangerous lurch, because our minds are not the hottest thing in the universe by any means. There could very well be, on some other planet, some beings who are so advanced that they regard us as we (most of us) regard muskrats or chickens, namely, something stupid & easily exploitable. They are NOT stupid; they are doing what they know how to do.

Race-centered? I don't know if I want to make my blood the most important thing, except as a place to put healthful nutrients and then see what happens! Does every species seek out its own kind? Of course. Where I live, I do not see the foxes and coyotes miscegenating, though they are more or less the same kind of animal. And the wild geese and wild ducks look kind of the "same", too, but they don't mix. However, that is too simplistic: we are biological, nature-based creatures, but not JUST nature-based creatures. We can be stone-agers, like the looters & rapists, or we can go to the other extreme, the jew, who is totally abstracted. Trying to find the right mix for each one of us is an individual chore.

Hope you get my drift. Thank you so very much for your encouragement, and I enjoy reading what you have to say.

I don't agree that the bible should be ignored. There is wisdom. How about John 8:44 for starters? I believe that there was a Jesus Christ. I also think that he was "taken over" by certain parties and developed into something to subdue people. Ever read the Essene Gospel of Peace? It is a more sensible view of Christ.
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within my Christian beliefs

Christianity and the bible is a Jewish created ideology. An ideology for the weak, i.e. the meek shall inherit the earth. Those that worship Christ, worship a Jew. Christianity is useless to our people and has become the number one promoter of the "chosen" and multicultural cult teachings to whites. I vomit on God's child and all that follow him.

I know. I should have said "former Christian beliefs". You have to crawl before you can walk, right?

Christianity and the bible is a Jewish created ideology. An ideology for the weak, i.e. the meek shall inherit the earth. Those that worship Christ, worship a Jew. Christianity is useless to our people and has become the number one promoter of the "chosen" and multicultural cult teachings to whites. I vomit on God's child and all that follow him.

Though not really devout per se myself, you do realize that if it weren't for Christianity you would be a Turk right now don't you?

There was no way the scattered Pagans could have ever defended Europe from the various Asian invaders that tried their luck here and there, it took a unified front of Europeans united under Christianity to band together to do that.

Many of the Roman soldiers stationed in Judea were Gauls, and in all likelihood one of them was the father of Jesus, so he would have been half-jewish, but this all speculation.

You owe alot of gratitude to "that jew and jewish ideology".

The proof of which race of people, Semites or Aryans, lived in Israel (the so-called Holy Land) 2,005 years ago, can be obtained by physical anthropologists who simply examine the skeletons buried back then.

Are those skeletons Aryans or Semites ??? I believe they were Semites, but the anthropologists ain't saying.

But whatever the case may be, it'll either debunk the X-ian Identity adherents or lend credibility to their claim. And if it's proven the skeletons are Aryans and not Semites, then the Christians can no longer honestly believe the jews are God's chosen people, or that Christ was a kike.

As for the reason so many Whites believe in Christ, a close school-mate friend of mine stated to me: "But Glenn, why take a chance of burning in hell for eternity?"

And that in a one-sentence nutshell, explains why it is so extremely difficult to convert White x-ians away from their jew god.

A side note about history.

For a good 1500 years Europeans believed that Jews were Christ-killers going to hell, and the Roman Church tried to keep them away from Christian Europeans with things like "the badge" and the prohibition of usury and intermarriage with Jews.

But, the "Reformation" screwed that all to hell, as "Reformers" from one end of Europe to the other took money from Jews to oppose the unity of "Christendom" which was essentially the nations which comprise the EU today plus Russia, and while the Europeans cut each other's throats to the tune of 1/3 of Germany murdered in the Thirty Years war, the Jews lended money eventually to both sides, wiggled their way into every tent, and in the past 500 years have so utterly dominated Western academic and legal institutions that they now have wrought an equivalence in the mind of the average Christian between "Christianity" and tolerance of Jews.

I dont actually believe that's what Paul intended, but at this point, with even the Roman Church showing frequent signs of appeasement towards the Jew, it's a situation where "Christianity" has been more or less over-run.

Since base camp is over-run, might as well call in the artillery in on our own heads. The critique of Judeo-Christianity from the time of the national socialists, on through to Revilo Oliver and Klassen and Pierce, down to what Alex or Will might say here today, is an absolutely essential intellectual cleansing fire to burn away Jewish lies. Better no faith or paganism that heresy and Jewish lies. Carry on!~

Though not really devout per se myself, you do realize that if it weren't for Christianity you would be a Turk right now don't you?

There was no way the scattered Pagans could have ever defended Europe from the various Asian invaders that tried their luck here and there, it took a unified front of Europeans united under Christianity to band together to do that.

Many of the Roman soldiers stationed in Judea were Gauls, and in all likelihood one of them was the father of Jesus, so he would have been half-jewish, but this all speculation.

You owe alot of gratitude to "that jew and jewish ideology".

Thanks for the Bible history lesson, Peter. You may owe a lot of gratitude to the Pale Jew and his so-called ideology, but I do not. I've been to Turkey and saw the ruins of the lost civilizations of the White Greeks and Romans who eventually submitted to the yoke of Christinsanity and who were swept into the dustbin of history. Had Whites instead adopted a militant racial religion geared for the survival, advancement and expansion of future White generations, as the Jew did, then Byzantium would not have had its name changed to Constantinople, much less Istanbul. Universalist Christinsanity is a suicidal creed and has not stood up to the ethnocentric creed of the Jew in the past; it is so splintered and has so many built-in flaws as a racial creed for Whites that it can never bring about unity and certainly will not stand up to the Jew's cohesive creed anytime in the future, either. Toss it! It's grounded in Jewish lies to appeal not to our strengths, but to Whites' weakest character flaws and to misdirect our natural altuism onto others than our own.

The Golden Rule for any successful pan-Aryan religion will be simple: That which is good for the welfare of our unique race is the ultimate good and we will fight tooth and nail to preserve and advance such, and that which is detrimental to the welfare of our race is bad and will be vehemently opposed with all the might we can muster. This is not rocket science. A lot of that which will be judged by this standard will be found to be neutral, of course, but it's really not hard to decide in this day and age that which impacts positively or negatively on our thoroughly judaized people -- most being detrimental. Those of you who want to push Jaysus and his SuperSpook of a Jewish daddy as the foundation for White renewal are free to do so, but stay the hell out of the way of those more serious-minded of us who want no part of that. Deal? May the best way prevail.