Big surprise: a politician pretended to be a Christian

‘Leaders’ have been doing that since Constantine converted

Point taken. And it wouldn't matter here...unless it does. Which is my contention.

The problem is too deep, and conditions are too bad, and trends are too negative, for anything but a life-reorientation and soul-dedication to make a difference. And so, being a christian is not a matter for shucking and grinning.

The way to WN right is to make a genetic religion of it, and to make an absolute cut with the jewed world and to make an absolute in-out distinction.

Look to the winners - jews - for tips, not to Duke or any other WN losers.

Wow. What precipitated this shot across the bow? Most everyone agrees Duke's books are effective (I've read My Awakening). However, any reasonable person looks askance at putative schemes designed to "beat" the gambling houses. Actually, everyone knows that is mere horseshit. I guess what I'm wondering is, why is it getting laid down like this? What has got Alex Linder so mad?

My known forefathers hit Plymouth in 1637, so I'm a Yank to the bone. Not sure why you want to drag regionalism into this. Hypocrisy and malfeasance are not the prerogative of any one time or place.

Actually, Mike, Duke's claims about gambling are far more plausible than anything else he says, and for that reason I've never criticized him for it. You cannot realize how painful it is to operate in WN realizing that the only thing standing between you and hundreds of thousands of people agreeing with your message is huge amounts of money, the sort of thing that only a government subsidy or a successful gambling system could afford.

... the truth is that the jews got their way in Israel and in Russia and almost in Germany by shooting people in the back of the head. By knifing them. By censoring them. By spreading lies about them. By dominating the universities and shutting out would-be professors. Blood, not love, is the solution to our problems.

How do we maintain our Aryan character/race soul while doing all this nastiness? Wouldn't we turn into the very thing we are attempting to rid ourselves? What is the distinction between fighting in an Aryan way versus a jew way?

Actually, Mike, Duke's claims about gambling are far more plausible than anything else he says, and for that reason I've never criticized him for it. You cannot realize how painful it is to operate in WN realizing that the only thing standing between you and hundreds of thousands of people agreeing with your message is huge amounts of money, the sort of thing that only a government subsidy or a successful gambling system could afford.

Alright. Actually, I don't really want to attack someone like Duke anyway. Duke could have just as well been a typical successful crooked Louisiana local yokel politician, if not for his fatal attraction to WN. As far as the gambling goes, it's just that I'm a bit of a math nerd and my eyes naturally narrow at people who suggest cockamamie schemes for beating the house. Frankly I think Duke is lying on this one, but I suspect he didn't mean to harm people by losing their donations. But exactly that happened, and he should come clean.

How do we maintain our Aryan character/race soul while doing all this nastiness? Wouldn't we turn into the very thing we are attempting to rid ourselves? What is the distinction between fighting in an Aryan way versus a jew way?

*vomit*

How the hell do you think we survived against the nonwhite hordes for so many thousands of years? Girl scout cookies?

At the time I met David Duke's dad, he had a Vietnamese wife.

In defense of David Duke.

This is not to say he is not human. We all are. We all make mistakes, no doubt. None of us is perfect -- perhaps not even you, Alex.

Strawman. I don't want to be perfect. Perfect is for marketing. I want to be always unraveling at the fringe and always keeping the hard core -- like the winners. Like the jews. Not some junior league Lousiana state rep, or whatever he was 20 years ago. Duke's way does not work. The way I indicate can work.

But to attack one of our premier leaders does not reflect well on the attackers -- and, more importantly, doing so weakens our movement. And, even though I admire your own courageous contributions, Alex, my reprimand includes you.

You can ask Duke or me - we're not the same thing and we're not on the same side. Duke is a not very successful politician. Talk to him, it's very much like listening to an informercial. His book may be good, but so what? There are eighty other books on the jew question. Man, do people place a lot of faith in words. We have the evidence, we had it 100, a 1000 years ago. it's a matter of leadership, not books.

I think the right thing to do regarding David Duke is simply to thank him.

Thank you, David Duke. Thank you so much for devoting your life and intelligence and all your many good Aryan qualities to saving our people.

If you're satisfied with Duke, then that's what you'll get.

VNN has helped produce a film that comes at a crucial point in American history. When the pushead is building on immigration, and the angry white invader-killer antibodies just might explode.

Let's see if the pussy-sniffing Duke and the fags at Stankfoot help promote "Line in the Sand."

We at VNN are the leaders. WE are the movement.

I agree, to many racists have nothing but hate. Our love for white people should be what motivates us to hate the Jew not a blind hatred. A lot of racists really do “hate white people” among everything else even their own pathetic lives.

I enjoy life and there are a lot of people I like. I love white people in general and it is for that reason I hate the Jew. I love my brothers and sisters (not biological but white and in Christ) and that is what the Jew seeks to destroy. It is the Jewish destruction of white Christians that motivates my hatred.

What is the motivation of most people? Many racists don’t want to save the white race only the very few in their cult like ideology. I want a world by whites for whites regardless of their religion or political affiliation.

Yes, we need hatred. War requires hatred. And, if any being deserves our hatred, it is the jew who is murdering us. But, before hatred, must come love. Love for our own people, for our cultures, for our great civilization. In order to implement the tool of war, hate, we must first appreciate who we are, what is being taken from us. Then, we can truly hate the taker, the destroyer.

David Duke is a hero for our race. That's a fact. Call it cultism if you like. But you would be wrong in so saying.

Well I'm betting on you, but you can bet that the bigger you get the bigger percentage of your base will be Southerners.

The Southerners were like the German Nazis, I think: despite all their ferocity, quite innocent of how base (1880s meaning) the world had become. Had they known, I think their "reign of terror" would have actually been that.

Southern regionalism is also a curious thing: people down here stopped giving a damn what people up north did, or what people in general did, so long as we could preserve our own social circles and breeding. In that way, it's like Mexico: a 10% Northern European stock population surviving amongst a predatory 90% of broken Caucasians, alienated mulattoes, drug-addicted mestizos and slimy middle easterners.

*vomit*

How the hell do you think we survived against the nonwhite hordes for so many thousands of years? Girl scout cookies?

Winning by shooting people in the back of the head and spreading lies seems to contrast with the the way Aryans in what is now Austrian held back the mongols.

Is Aryan code that survival is more important than the quality of what survives? If we have to turn into a bunch of conniving, sneaking, subversives to win, what have we gained?

I can't agree there, there are good whites all over the world fighting the Jew that have never heard of VNN. The movement is all people fighting the Jew since we all should have the same goal.

I hope the movement goes beyond VNN, because if not than we are in trouble. The core of VNN is only about 30 people isn't it? And about another 60 active promoting VNN? If we don't have thousands then we are hurting.

We at VNN are the leaders. WE are the movement.

Is Aryan code that survival is more important than the quality of what survives? If we have to turn into a bunch of conniving, sneaking, subversives to win, what have we gained?

Good point, but there might be a middle ground. I think most of it is defensive however: expect subterfuge (do not trust Mr Churchill), expect brutality, and think (unlike the NSDAP) first of population conservation - let others knock themselves out in shitty, crazy wars.

I was wondering about the Duke's gambling, also.

If you're David Duke and you have 100K to invest, where do you go? A jew bank? A jew investment house? Do you start up a small business in a community where the city government is politically correct and on the diversity march. You know the kind of city, that I’m talking about, all of them! With their code enforcement officials foaming at the mouth to get those brownie points from the city manager by putting a well known racist out of business.

The more I thought about it, the more I could see that Duke would have one hell of a hard time operating in a conventional businesses environment. Much like the problems had by a mega-buck lottery winner who tries to buy a big-ticket item, and all of the sellers are out to gouge him.

It’s possible that he fell for some hair brained scheme of beating a casino due to his inability to find another reasonable investment vehicle. However, I would like to think that he would have more on the ball then that.

I don’t want to get off topic or anything, but I read an old thread last week where you called Duke and talked to him for about an hour. I haven’t seen any updates, but from that thread it appeared that the two of you had a mutual respect. What happened?

Why doesn’t Duke like VNN? Is it just because he goes about things in a more political way? I can’t see why both can’t coexist. Like Rockwell said “there is a need for everyone and a position for everyone”. He said we need the bullies and fighters and we need the people wearing suits and could use political savvy.

WN kills careers. So historically only those have gone into it who felt the direct effects of jew-engineered minority incursion. About the time I came in that started to change. I could do plenty of things and live a nice upper-middle-class life. I choose to do this. Most working class people do not have the choice. They are stuck with nigger-fucked neighborhoods. But increasingly, so are "head" people.

When I came in, Strom and his coterie of pussies started bad-mouthing us, because they want to be big fish in small ponds. By contrast, VNN was something new in the world. We mean it. I'm not here to grow my bank account and live on a mountain. I'm here for one reason: because I think I can make a difference between winning and losing. Read Griffin: Pierce was a great intellectual, but no leader. He never intended NA to develop. Do you think he didn't realize Gliebe was a cipher?

It is only our example and our ripping the WN scene open that has allowed progress to happen. Even "Weenie" (his wife's term) Strom has finally seen the light.

OPEN IT UP AND LET THE TALENT IN.

We here at VNN ALONE have provided the bloodflow that has begun to bring the corpse of white self-respect back to life. Yes, that's right. WE ALONE DID IT. And itz just starting to get fun.

These used-up pussies who dedicate books to kikes are yesterday's news. Their "love" is no solution. Not without hate.

I don’t even read other message boards because I think overall VNNF is the best. The rest are just boring.

Well, you're fine to be a Christian. I would never advise you to take my word about the religion if it has done good things in your life. You should take what I say seriously and as you grow older, compare what I say with what you see, and by that standard, the best standard, you can judge the truth of what I say. There's a difference between reading something and buhlieving it, versus thinking, living, experiencing and at last reaching judgment. (Note: this does not work for jumping off cliffs.)

I believe that even if the allegations against Duke were true he is an effective author, speaker and propagandist. One of the reasons the Jews are successful is because they cover the shortcomings of their own. One of the reasons racists hit so many humps is because we expose our own instead of protecting them. Even if Duke was the scum of the earth he is not the enemy, Jews are. And even if he was the worst atheist alive I would still buy his books and pamphlets because they are true and good tools.

I've probably linked to Duke's sites, Duke's speeches, Duke's books a thousand times. Has Duke ever linked to VNN? Has a dookie in any official capacity ever indicated respect or appreciation for VNN? No. And they haven't merely dropped the matter, they've aggressively smeared us and proclaimed us as an example of all that they are not. So, like I say, fuck them. Duke is my enemy, not my friend. Fuck Easy Dave. Fuck his manservant SuperFlit. Fuck the dork that runs Storefront. Ex-cons and cultists who browbeat little ol' unconvicted honest me about "the high road."

I'm not taking any shit off faggots like Kelso or infomericialists like Duke.

Much like I didn’t believe in everything Dr Pierce said I still use a video I have of him to show to people because it contained truth. If the message is true use it, we can’t account for every action of the messenger.

I don't dispute that. But by dedicating his book to a jew, David Duke substantially undercut his message. The feeling that comes out of the evidence he and so many others produce is hate, not love. AND IT SHOULD BE HATE. Hate is the only proper thing to feel in light of the evidence of jewish effects on Aryan society. And he sows confusion when he teaches there we should distinguish good jew from bad. That's bringing a knife to the gunfight in which "even the best of th goyim should be killed." While we're making fine high-minded moral distinctions, they're killing EVERY ONE OF US, EVEN THE "BEST."

Said Alex:

If you're satisfied with Duke, then that's what you'll get

I'm not satisfied with any one leader, any one organization, at this stage. I know we need you, Alex. We need your courage and absolute truth-telling and your clear vision of what we must do to win. No way out but through the jews.

But...

We need David Duke and Kevin Strom and even Stormfront too, especially now, at this early stage in our people's awakening. WE NEED NUMBERS. Out of large numbers will come sufficient numbers of the truly good men we will ultimately need to win.

I don't have any doubt that you and many VNN'ers will be among those truly good men when the time comes. But that time, your real time, has not yet come. Now, the emphasis must be on awakening. We need more awakened White men. Many more.