1) you can search my posts, I think I had linked it.

2) google milton kleim

3) check the nikzor archive

If anybody knows him, I would like to see if he would do an interview such as what Alex did with George Burdi. Send him the Burdi link and see if he'd be interested, please!

Milton was quite a sharp tack.

This may be the interview you're referring to.

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 04:51:52 GMT
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Subject: APP: An Interview with Milton Kleim

An Interview with Milton Kleim

By John Keller
Aryan Peoples' Press
February 1, 2004

"Milton John Kleim, Jr." was once a well-known White Nationalist
on the Internet. His work is still quoted and distributed by many
who are unaware of his defection. Nearly eight years ago, he
publically denounced the Movement, and abruptly ended what
appeared to many as a promising career.

APP: After almost eight years, do you have any regrets of leaving
the Movement?

No, not at all. Today's so-called "movement" is far more
corrupt and degenerate than it was in 1996. It's pretty much an
all-around circus. The only thing it accomplishes is to keep a
multi-million dollar industry going, on both sides of the issue.
Many have become comfortable, even rich off of the "Hate Industry."

APP: What is your life like now?

I have a wonderful wife of five years, and two beautiful kids.
I have a rewarding career of a meaningful nature. I live in a great
region that is conducive to healthy living.

APP: Your wife, she's Jewish, right?

Absolutely not. The so-called "movement," demonstrating the utter
incompetence and stupidity that characterizes it, distorted a joke
about the fictional "Beth Ann Gold" I wrote for April Fools' Day,
1996. It was the type of smart-assed, sarcastic joke of which I'm
well-known for. My wife is a hazel-eyed brunette of Germanic &
Celtic origin (mainly Swedish and Irish). Our kids are blue-eyed
blonds.

APP: Some people in the Movement believe you're an informant. Is this
correct?

Nope. A St. Paul Pioneer Press article once claimed I was an "informant
for the FBI," or something to that effect. Was I contacted by the FBI?
Yes. However, since I was a one-man operation throughout my "movement"
activities, any information I *could* have provided was irrelevant to
their needs. Everything I did was public, and all they needed do was
look at my work online which was purely at face-value. Further, I had
no interest in working *against* the "movement" any more than I wanted
to work *for" the "movement." I just wanted to do something productive
and meaningful with my life, which I have done.

APP: What do you think of George Burdi?

Burdi has his own life, and I have mine. He apparently has found what
he was looking for. I was probably as shocked as much as those in the
"movement" when I learned about his multi-racial band and his non-white
partner. It's bizarre to me that someone could change *that* much in
outlook. It reinforces again how much I'm glad I'm no longer an
"activist" in the "movement," because so many "movement" adherents,
like Burdi was, have few real and honorable convictions. They have
motives that no one really knows -- even themselves. The "movement"
attracts the worst unbalanced, unhealthy souls. What a sick joke.

APP: Some people would say you're just like Burdi.

Fuck them.

APP: Is that all on that topic?

Well, let's talk about who I am. As I said during my "departure"
from the "movement," I come from a family that has *lived* "Blut
und Boden." I am who I am, to quote the Hebrew deity. I can't
just discard what is in my blood, in my soul. I still very much
value my heritage. There is nothing shameful in that. The majority
of "movement" types join up not because they want to work for
positive goals, but are working *against* something, most often
either they hate what they are and look like, and try to "prove"
themselves white by being "whiter than thou," or they want to vent
anger at someone and something. The "movement" gives them a
structure in which to vent it. Yes, this is the traditional
"scapegoat" argument of the "anti-racists," but in this case it's
true, many in the "movement" see the Hollywood portrayal of the
Germans, and they just get off on that. Most people in the
"movement" do not work *for* something, regardless of the tangents
they go off on insisting they are.

APP: Are you "political" at all today?

Not really. I occasionally follow the news of the day. I laugh
even at the worst outrages of the American government. I am an
observer. So many people get so caught up in a meaningless
struggle against that which they have no power, within a system
which offers no viable opportunities for solutions.

APP: Many in the Movement would say this is the approach of a
coward and a loser.

That's nice. The world today is the result of an Historical
Destiny against which today's mankind has no chance of changing.
The "Western World" has sown its seeds decades ago and is now
experiencing the consequential "weeds" which have sprouted.
These "weeds" are growing faster than anyone and anything can
handle today. The fools of the "movement," no offense personally,
don't recognize that confrontation against "the system" or against
the very constitutional nature of this present world *on its own
terms* will not result in any perpetual solutions to the misery
of humanity, our own families and peoples, or the whole world in
general. As best as I can, I have "dropped out" of this society.
I refuse to participate in so many things. I do what needs to be
done within my own sphere of influence, which is my family, my
friends, my colleagues and clients I serve.

APP: Do you have any hopes for the Future?

The Earth will continue on, regardless of the crimes humanity
inflicts on her. Will humanity survive? Who knows, time will tell.
Will the European peoples worldwide survive? It appears unlikely.
Those "seeds" I spoke of were sown *by* the European peoples, or,
they allowed them to be sown while they were tending their own
base needs. Nature's Laws will remain in effect whether we are
here or not. If the European peoples are to survive, then it will
be because a portion, probably a very tiny portion, chooses to
embrace Natural Law and obeys its principle tenets. The number
one law will be to cultivate one's own genetic and cultural
future, or, in other worse, build and raise up a good, healthy
family. This is something most "movement" types cannot and/or
will not do. Alcoholism, divorce, child and spousal abuse, general
thuggery, these are epidemic within the "movement." One would
expect that a "movement" that purports to "save the white race"
would act more like "good Mormon boys & girls," rather than
Bolsheviks, gangster-like in mind and heart, unable to build
something of lasting value in their lives. The "movement" and
those involved in it are addicted to *style* above *substance*,
or, in other words, they are spiritually *exactly like* those
they claim to oppose.

APP: Thank you for your time.

You're welcome.

Reply

yep that was it. my question is what has he personally done to improve the spiritual status of Whites if that is such a problem?

its one thing to criticize another to provide solutions-

Thanks, bluedog39. That was the interview that I was referring to.

1) you can search my posts, I think I had linked it.

2) google milton kleim

3) check the nikzor archive

If anybody knows him, I would like to see if he would do an interview such as what Alex did with George Burdi. Send him the Burdi link and see if he'd be interested, please!

Milton was quite a sharp tack.

I was not able to find the thread. I found the link you posted but it went nowhere.
An interview between Linder and Kleim would definitely be interesting.

Maybe someone out there can make it happen?

Isn't it pretty well established that Kleim and Norcal are the same person? They certainly sound the same-except for Kleim failing to endorse nuclear war.

I have a wonderful wife of five years, and two beautiful kids.
I have a rewarding career of a meaningful nature. I live in a great
region that is conducive to healthy living.

I guess this asshole, Milton John Kleim, Jr., doesn't care that his "two beautiful kids" will possibly be raped and/or killed by niggers.

This guy is a maggot and a shame to the White race. If he was on fire, I wouldn't even piss on him to put it out.

But outside of my personal feelings, he's entitled to his little life.

Isn't it pretty well established that Kleim and Norcal are the same person? They certainly sound the same-except for Kleim failing to endorse nuclear war.

Well established? How so?

Well established? How so?

Exactly the same worldview and "strategy"; exactly the same contempt for the "movement", its leaders and members; biographical clues relating to family and former residence in Minnesota. At some point someone specifically stated that Kleim was Norcal- I don't remember who it was. All this available here but it might have been destroyed during the WR coup.

Exactly the same worldview and "strategy"]

that's not evidence of anything besides a similar emotional reaction to "the movement" which is pretty common. obviously "the movement" has some problems which lead to a high rate of "dropout" and "burnout" and so forth.

 

Don't forget frustration.

Yes, WN has problems, and we have to be able to admit it. But, we shouldn't dismantle it, we should rebuild it. Too much idol-worship and fantasizing. Its not going to happen exactly like Germany did in the 30's. Hitler was a good man, and admirable, but the guy was human and had flaws, just like we all do. We shouldn't live in the past. I think we should revere it, study it, and learn from it, but focus and work on the future. Build something that WE can be proud of.

that's not evidence of anything besides a similar emotional reaction to "the movement" which is pretty common. obviously "the movement" has some problems which lead to a high rate of "dropout" and "burnout" and so forth.

that's not evidence of anything besides a similar emotional reaction to "the movement" which is pretty common. obviously "the movement" has some problems which lead to a high rate of "dropout" and "burnout" and so forth.

"Movement" problems will not change until the self-defeating strategies (lone wolfism, eschewing political participation, etc.) and dysfunctional behaviors of the Doc-wearing crowd are firmly rejected. Unfortunately, this will not happen because change is not in the financial interests of "movement" tinpots who are looking to collect membership fees from keyboard "warriors" and sell Docs to thugs. At present, the only solution to these problems is to bypass the "movement's members" and go local.

Here's a useful tip for movement building, if anybody cares to pay attention: Note how the hate police organizations never breath a word about Jim Giles. The reason for this is that they're 501 (c)(3) non-profit organizations and are legally prohibited from intervening in partisan politics. Giles is a qualified federal candidate running a perpetual, local campaign as an Independent. You may not like his style or whatever, but there's no denying the fact that in the last election Giles received more votes in Mississippi's 3rd CD than the nationwide membership of all WN organizations put together. And here's another little tidbit about that election: The majority of the reflexive, anti-Republican vote went to the nigger female who ran as the Reform Party's candidate.

mr electric, I agree with some of what you're saying, but you're mistaken about giles and 501c3s. Yes there are limitations on those orgs involvement in politics but if you think that stops them where "hate" is concerned, you're wrong.

suffice to say, there are specific cases and treasury regulations about this topic and there is nothing which would stop a "hate" candidate from being character assasinated by the ADL etc.

I think of a the summer of 2003 when a former VNNer was installed on a small town council. You'd have thunk Hitler had come to town from the nearly thirty odd newspaper articles that ran about him in the coming two weeks most of which quoted, and I suspect were precipitated by, one dirty, evil, kike named Shai Goldstein of the New Jersey office of the ADL.

Probably the reason Giles is ignored, is that they dont want other "rednecks" getting crazy ideas like getting involved in politics. I think the South is the tender underbelly of the dragon where Jews are concerned and that is part of the reason the antiracists are villifying Glenn Miller. They are probably seriously concerned that he will run for office and get ink and airtime. Regardless of him winning or not, it wont be a good thing for Jews if that happens. SO they're going to shit all over him and play up his testimony at the Ft Smith trial to try and get Order cultists to do their dirty work for them. I see CAH has taken up the gauntlent and is follow suit as well. Well fuck em. Politics you are right is a necessary element of our struggle and it will happen. It will happen