Man, these guys are good. That is, the Pentagon and State Dept. guys who dream this stuff up are very good. We constantly underestimate them, and I doubt that is by accident. I had just about convinced myself that there would be no invasion of Iran, that it was a puppet show for us. Now, I don't have a clue. If we attack Iran, I will know that it has happened when ABC or Fox tells me that is has happened.

Enkidu

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When exploded, the copper disc becomes a molten liquid bullet that can penetrate the thickest armor the United States has.

"They penetrate the armor of an M1 Abrams tank," Clarke says. "They're shape charges. They go through anything, and they are very lethal."
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Hmm, you mean our great jewish named main battle tank is vulnerable to a copper disk ? Some hotshot tank , 5 million a copy destroyed by a 50 buck munition ! Not to mention the young americans killed .( betcha the mine was designed by some kraut . )

The world's largest arms merchant , the USA , complains about some other country selling arms ! jewish hypocracy knows no limits . Of course , it is easy to be a concealed hypocrite when they are lying to a nation of dumbed-down sheep . How many 100,000's of Iranian kids were killed by US arms flowing to Iraq ? Yeah , Iraq was our good buddy ally in the protracted Iran-Iraq war , remember ?

For the record, Iraq wasn't an ally of USZOG.

The Shah's government in Iran was a puppet of USZOG, since the 1950s. They were "our man in the middle east" (as Saudi Arabia, and then Egypt, came under USZOG control, later). Iraq wasn't a Soviet puppet to the extreme that Iran was a USZOG puppet, but was, as a result of the USZOG-Iran alliance, a fairly independent client of the USSR. When the Shah was overthrown by the Islamic Revolution in 1979, USZOG lost their man in Iran and attempted to befriend Iraq's Hussein. Some inroads were made but Hussein managed to keep from being puppetized by USZOG. This was a considerable accomplishment on Hussein's part, since he was fighting a decade-long war with Iran in the 80s, and since Soviet assistance was beginning to dry up (due to it's own impending demise, which supposedly shocked USZOG). Had Hussein been satisfactorily puppetable, there would've been no '91 war.

For the record, Iraq wasn't an ally of USZOG.

In the strict sense , NO . De facto an ally in that they were doing our bidding in punishing the Revolutionary Iranians for the seizure of our embassy . Hussein was discarded after the resolution of the Iran-Iraq war . Hussein was entrapped in Kuwait , to punish him for his super-gun ( designed by Gerald Bull ) aimed at Israel ( made the Israelis sweat bullets ). When Israelis found that Hussein was importing tubes to make another gun, the die was cast . America would make war on Iraq , as per jewish orders .

Nice info at http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-626-3360/conflict_war/gerald_bull/clip7

EXCLUSIVE: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran?
Intelligence Officials Say Weapons Responsible for Increasing U.S. Deaths in Iraq.

Yep, they're just ratcheting up the bullshit for lemming consumption. Here's another one:

Iranian negotiator boasts of fooling Europeans

By Philip Sherwell in Washington
March 6, 2006

The man who for two years led Iran's nuclear negotiations has laid out in unprecedented detail how the regime took advantage of talks with Britain, France and Germany to forge ahead with its secret atomic program.

In a speech to a closed meeting of leading Islamic clerics and academics, Hassan Rowhani, who headed talks with the so-called EU3 until last year, revealed how Tehran played for time and tried to dupe the West after its secret nuclear program was uncovered by the Iranian opposition in 2002.

He boasted that while talks were taking place in Tehran, Iran was able to complete the installation of equipment for conversion of yellowcake - a key stage in the nuclear fuel process - at its Isfahan plant while convincing European diplomats that nothing was afoot.

"From the outset, the Americans kept telling the Europeans, 'The Iranians are lying and deceiving you and they have not told you everything'. The Europeans used to respond, 'We trust them'," he said.

Revelation of Mr Rowhani's remarks comes at an awkward moment for the Iranian Government, before a meeting today of the United Nations atomic watchdog, which must make a fresh assessment of Iran's banned nuclear operations. The International Atomic Energy Agency's judgement is the final step before the case is passed to the UN Security Council, where sanctions may be considered.

In his address to the Supreme Council of Cultural Revolution, Mr Rowhani appears to have been seeking to rebut criticism from hardliners that he gave too much ground in talks with the Europeans. The contents of the speech were published in a regime journal that circulates among the ruling elite.

He told his audience: "When we were negotiating with the Europeans in Tehran we were still installing some of the equipment at the Isfahan site … In reality, by creating a tame situation, we could finish Isfahan."

America and its European allies believe that Iran is clandestinely developing an atomic bomb, but Tehran insists it is merely seeking nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

Iran's negotiating team engaged in a last-ditch attempt last week to head off Security Council involvement. In January the regime removed atomic energy agency seals on sensitive nuclear equipment and last month it resumed banned uranium enrichment.

Iran is trying to win support from Russia, which opposes UN sanctions, having tried unsuccessfully to persuade European Union leaders to allow it more time. Against this backdrop, Mr Rowhani's surprisingly candid comments on Iran's record of obfuscation and delay are illuminating.

In a separate development, the opposition National Council of Resistance of Iran has obtained a copy of a confidential parliamentary report making it clear that Iranian MPs were also kept in the dark on the nuclear program, which was funded secretly, outside the normal budgetary process.

Telegraph, London

Our stated position is that we'll leave when the local police and military can handle the security of their own country. These bombs are keeping us there. Iraqis don't want us there. Most Americans don't want us there. izzy does. This is the first item I've read that alludes to the similarity of the IED's. Modern explosives leave a signature that can be traced to the manufacturer. The origin of these materials has not been a mystery to some individuals, for some time now. This "disclosure" hints at the origin. If the true origin was Iran, they'd have been shouting it from the rooftops ages ago.
Who benefits from exploded civilians? Civilians? I know the average IQ is below 90, but, come on.
Maybe the same group that thinks it is acceptable to take out enemies in a crowded street with air-to-surface weapons.

Our stated position is that we'll leave when the local police and military can handle the security of their own country.

[color="Red"]Oh shades of Vietnam !

These bombs are keeping us there. Iraqis don't want us there. Most Americans don't want us there. izzy does. This is the first item I've read that alludes to the similarity of the IED's. Modern explosives leave a signature that can be traced to the manufacturer. The origin of these materials has not been a mystery to some individuals, for some time now. This "disclosure" hints at the origin. If the true origin was Iran, they'd have been shouting it from the rooftops ages ago.
Who benefits from exploded civilians? Civilians? I know the average IQ is below 90, but, come on.
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Duh, is you making an implication that a country other than Iran is involved ?

Maybe the same group that thinks it is acceptable to take out enemies in a crowded street with air-to-surface weapons.

Really, if Iran wants to sell weapons, they have every right to .
The USA has been selling $100's of billions worth of weapons into the mideast for over 50 yrs. The US even sold the weapons that the Shah used against his own people.

Just another kosher-con job.

so what if the iranians are? i personally do not care one bit how many americans die there.

Any attack of Iran that the U.S. undertakes is only going to be one of those stand off, launch a missile, drop some bombs from 50,000 feet sort of affairs -- not a real war on the ground. We simply don't have enough people Our military barely has enough personnel to cover the ground-war in Iraq. If we invade a country the size of Iran with Iraq remaining unfinished, we are going to get our asses kicked for sure.

Any attack of Iran that the U.S. undertakes is only going to be one of those stand off, launch a missile, drop some bombs from 50,000 feet sort of affairs -- not a real war on the ground. We simply don't have enough people Our military barely has enough personnel to cover the ground-war in Iraq. If we invade a country the size of Iran with Iraq remaining unfinished, we are going to get our asses kicked for sure.

What about the bunker-buster nukes?

Any attack of Iran that the U.S. undertakes is only going to be one of those stand off, launch a missile, drop some bombs from 50,000 feet sort of affairs -- not a real war on the ground. We simply don't have enough people Our military barely has enough personnel to cover the ground-war in Iraq. If we invade a country the size of Iran with Iraq remaining unfinished, we are going to get our asses kicked for sure.

Let`s all hope that the military giant of the USA is crippled once and for all.
Its destruction is a necessary prerequisite for the forthcoming racial cleansing of Europa.

so what if the iranians are? i personally do not care one bit how many americans die there.

Kinda hard sentiments . I don't want to see innocent whites hurt . I want to see those fine young whites guarding the Mexican border and expelling subs .

No the ground war will expand into Iran and the surrounding area and become the Third World War and the West will be utterly defeated and Israel will disappear. Russia is trying to play both sides off and avoid taking sides but in the end will have to take sides against Z.O.G. after she is backed into a corner like Japan was in the late '30s and she will supply the Arabs with nuclear weapons.

Kinda hard sentiments . I don't want to see innocent whites hurt . I want to see those fine young whites guarding the Mexican border and expelling subs .

no these are people who support this government are in effect an enemy to me as much as the arabs. in addition it is their sacrifice and the arabs prolongining the war which will lead to the us decline and our rebirth.

no these are people who support this government are in effect an enemy to me as much as the arabs.

More like , poor kids who can't find a job .