I don't understand American Protestants. The Jews are God's Chosen People - in the Old Testament. The New Testament - the book of their saviour - surpasses the authority of the Old Testament. The OT is merely a series of prophesies concerning the Jews and the saviour - which the NT and its followers declares is Jesus. The Jews had Jesus killed, as the NT proves. Why the fuck would anyone see your saviour's murderers as the chosen people of God? Jesus said that there are no chosen people! US bible-bashers are good Jews but bad Christians, which is strange because all they ever talk about is 'Jeezuss' loving everyone.

I use WN as a term of convenience. I prefer 'white racism' or 'white reconquista nationalism'. 'WN' smacks too much of black nationalism, the failed and historically-ungrounded 'right' of niggers to a homeland in America. White racism is both historically well-founded and righteous. Our countries have been stolen from us. We are third-class citizens in our former territories. It is like we are under occupation, hence ZOG.

In truth, I do not understand them either.

I just know that this is how the majority of them see it.

If you can convince them that the jews are not the "God's Chosen", then perhaps they will see many things differently.

The Jews infiltrated the Christian organizations and rewrote the religion books. My own brother and sister both told me that the jews are these old time people who pissed god off, killed his son, and since then have been pathetic losers. This is the version the Catholic Church taught until the 1960s. (Of course, Jews were even then running the country, the media, and they never have noticed this. You can see this was a good scheme for the jews, to have people believe this.) That was Christendom.

But under Holocaust religion/Judeo-Christianity, Jewed- Christians are taught that the jews are god's chosen people and we should never offend them and we will get blessings. (I think it was as far back as Prussia when the King or Emperor there started this "God will bless us if we give the Jews what they want" mantra.) It's propaganda they hammer into people's heads - Jews are god's chosen people. God would never break a covenant with the Jews. (The New Covenant of Christianity is on the trash heap.) God will bless nations which serve the jews. Never offend a jew. Jews are our moral conscience. Jews always deserve special consideration, apologies, money, etc.

It's quite a racket, replacing the old wandering victim racket, which after Israel was created had to be revised.

The Jews infiltrated the Christian organizations and rewrote the religion books. My own brother and sister both told me that the jews are these old time people who pissed god off, killed his son, and since then have been pathetic losers. This is the version the Catholic Church taught until the 1960s. (Of course, Jews were even then running the country, the media, and they never have noticed this. You can see this was a good scheme for the jews, to have people believe this.) That was Christendom.

But under Holocaust religion/Judeo-Christianity, Jewed- Christians are taught that the jews are god's chosen people and we should never offend them and we will get blessings. (I think it was as far back as Prussia when the King or Emperor there started this "God will bless us if we give the Jews what they want" mantra.) It's propaganda they hammer into people's heads - Jews are god's chosen people. God would never break a covenant with the Jews. (The New Covenant of Christianity is on the trash heap.) God will bless nations which serve the jews. Never offend a jew. Jews are our moral conscience. Jews always deserve special consideration, apologies, money, etc.

It's quite a racket, replacing the old wandering victim racket, which after Israel was created had to be revised.

Thank you for this information.

(The New Covenant of Christianity is on the trash heap.)

A sobering thought for so-called Christians.

If it is, then we're fucked. I say that possibly out of ignorance, because the only "WN" Christians I've run across are on SF...uptight, rigid, unable to get along with anybody but other Protestants (and it's ALWAYS fuckin' Protestants), and completely unwilling to compromise. I'm rather new, so I'll put the question out to the veterans...are the people I'm complaining about the majority of the movement (fuck, I'll name user names...Kludd, Mark Downey, ANewHope, LisaLee, Ibere) or are most WNs secular or at least more politically/socially than religiously minded?

Down with religion... Christianity with its effeminated beliefs that one should use love rather than violence against an enemy is one of the heavy stones dragging our race to the very bottom. Well, I don't love my enemies. I hate jews, I equally hate the treacherous degenerates who plague our own race.
As Adoph Hitler once said, someone who isn't capable of hate, isn't capable of love either.

If it is, then we're fucked. I say that possibly out of ignorance, because the only "WN" Christians I've run across are on SF...uptight, rigid, unable to get along with anybody but other Protestants (and it's ALWAYS fuckin' Protestants), and completely unwilling to compromise. I'm rather new, so I'll put the question out to the veterans...are the people I'm complaining about the majority of the movement (fuck, I'll name user names...Kludd, Mark Downey, ANewHope, LisaLee, Ibere) or are most WNs secular or at least more politically/socially than religiously minded?

To answer your first and most important question, the answer is a simple NO. It is not a Christian movement. It is a social-political movement which is based on the fundamental fact that Whites as a race are a real biological community with valid group interests which are different from other such groups.

Accordingly, as our concerns are with real world or "Earthly" matters, our methods and ideas must be based in observable reality not religious faith. However, religious faith is important to discuss because it informs personal and group conduct, and particularly where the Jews are concerned, religion as such is indispensible to a full understand of the "Jewish problem."

Now let me speak for myself alone. If the Roman Catholic faith does not contradict facts and reason, as St Thomas Aquinas contended, and national-ethnic-racial groups have a moral right to exist as such, then in my mind there is no necessary conflict between WN as a social-political movement and that faith. That's all I'm personally concerned about because, I'm a Roman Catholic. I also believe that much of what socalled "Christians" believe is Judaizing nonsense. So, I find myself in good company here with atheists like my friend Alex Linder and people who make a very strong critique of the deleterious and often emasculating effects of this socalled Christianity on our people and our evident failure to resist the exploitation of the Jews and the invasion of our homelands by hostile aliens.

Now I want to introduce you to my friend White Will Williams. He speaks to this topic in more frank terms than I do. Will, is a veteran of this movement as you say, going back to the 80s when he joined with Rounder in the WPP. Will also worked closely recruiting for Ben Klassen, who developed the religon of Creativity as an antidote to what he perceived as the Judaizing and weakening influence of Christianity. Will also worked closely with Dr William Pierce, whom you may know as a facts-reality-reason based approach to our racial problem, but who also practiced the religon of Cosmotheism. I will try to hail Will for his input to this topic.

I like to recommend to people this book for a good read, whether they are Christians or not:

Origins of Christianity by Dr Revilo P Oliver

http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/RPO_NewChrist/toc_ol.htm

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0906879469/ref=pd_sim_b_2/002-1181923-9757638?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

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Revilo P. Oliver in 1963Revilo Pendleton Oliver (7 July 1908-1994) was an American professor of Classical philology, Spanish, and Italian at the University of Illinois, who wrote and crusaded extensively for anti-communist and Racial Nationalist causes. He has been described as "one of America's most notorious fascists" and, according to B'nai Brith Canada, was "a long time proponent of antisemitism". [1]

Starting on the original staff of National Review magazine, Oliver later joined Robert Welch as a founding member of the John Birch Society and wrote for their magazine American Opinion. He briefly came to some national notoriety after the publication of an article following the Kennedy assassination, titled "Marxmanship in Dallas," for which he was called to testify before the Warren Commission [2].

Oliver broke from the Birch Society (as well as conventional American conservatism, generally) and openly embraced an anti-Jewish racial viewpoint. He was an editorial advisor for the Institute for Historical Review, and a regular contributor to the neo-Nazi periodical, Liberty Bell. His writings have been promoted by Kevin Alfred Strom (of National Vanguard).

In contrast to may "conservatives," Oliver believed that religion was one of the major weaknesses of his nation and civilization. An atheist and materialist, he characterized Christianity as "a spiritual syphilis," which "has rotted the minds of our race and induced paralysis of our will to live." [3].

To answer your first and most important question, the answer is a simple NO. It is not a Christian movement. It is a social-political movement which is based on the fundamental fact that Whites as a race are a real biological community with valid group interests which are different from other such groups.

Accordingly, as our concerns are with real world or "Earthly" matters, our methods and ideas must be based in observable reality not religious faith. However, religious faith is important to discuss because it informs personal and group conduct, and particularly where the Jews are concerned, religion as such is indispensible to a full understand of the "Jewish problem."

Now let me speak for myself alone. If the Roman Catholic faith does not contradict facts and reason, as St Thomas Aquinas contended, and national-ethnic-racial groups have a moral right to exist as such, then in my mind there is no necessary conflict between WN as a social-political movement and that faith. That's all I'm personally concerned about because, I'm a Roman Catholic. I also believe that much of what socalled "Christians" believe is Judaizing nonsense. So, I find myself in good company here with atheists like my friend Alex Linder and people who make a very strong critique of the deleterious and often emasculating effects of this socalled Christianity on our people and our evident failure to resist the exploitation of the Jews and the invasion of our homelands by hostile aliens.

Now I want to introduce you to my friend White Will Williams. He speaks to this topic in more frank terms than I do. Will, is a veteran of this movement as you say, going back to the 80s when he joined with Rounder in the WPP. Will also worked closely recruiting for Ben Klassen, who developed the religon of Creativity as an antidote to what he perceived as the Judaizing and weakening influence of Christianity. Will also worked closely with Dr William Pierce, whom you may know as a facts-reality-reason based approach to our racial problem, but who also practiced the religon of Cosmotheism. I will try to hail Will for his input to this topic.

Thanks, AE. I'll just say that we'll either be a biological racist movement grounded in reality, the eternal laws of Nature -- the highest being constant vigilance in order to survive as a unique subspecies, protecting out precious gene pool in our traditional, beneficient habitats, against other encroaching non-White subspecies; lessons of history, common sense, logic, or we'll be a Xian movement, grounded in unsubstantiated myths from the Jewish Book of Fables and superstitious belief in the Jew's tribal god, Yahweh. We won't be both. The biggest struggle within the so-called WN movement is to determine who will lead us: Xian patriots or biological racists. The Jew would prefer that it be the former and is scared spitless that it just may be the latter.

CREATIVITY:

follow the White light of total holy redemption brothers and sisters;

my Race IS my religion.

For TRUE enlightenment;

Follow links below.

I say we stay as far away from religion as possible.

That isn`t possible. They had the same kind of arguments within the Third Reich,xtianity versus paganism vs atheism. The issue will never and can never be settled as we are all approaching things from our own particular angle. We cannot divorce religion from politics; they have always been inextricably linked for good or bad.
Our own religion or spirituality shapes the way we see the world.There is no getting away from that.

CREATIVITY:

follow the White light of total holy redemption brothers and sisters] [/IMG]
Follow links below.

Sun of Sparta.
What may be a useful exercise would be to post a series of threads on the religion forum to outline for those of us who are ignorant of your belief system the basics of your Weltanschauung. I for one would read such material with an open mind.

Down with religion... Christianity with its effeminated beliefs that one should use love rather than violence against an enemy is one of the heavy stones dragging our race to the very bottom. Well, I don't love my enemies. I hate jews, I equally hate the treacherous degenerates who plague our own race.
As Adoph Hitler once said, someone who isn't capable of hate, isn't capable of love either.

We do not have to adopt the politics of "hate" in order to advance our own views. Indeed I believe such a stance is counterproductive to our cause and will only succeed in alienating the masses as well as darkening our own souls,for want of a better expression.
"Heritage not hate" should be our slogan and attitude. No one can contradict such a stance out of logic.

I don't necessarily agree with this. The situation in Europe started to go bad when the people became less religious. Studies have shown that religious people are likely to have more children than non religious people, and right now Europeans aren't having many children. The only people who are reproducing at better than sustainable rates in Europe are the very religious Muslims. Europe didn't get flooded with non Whites until the recent liberalization of its institutions. I don't think a religion based on nationalism would be a bad thing for White nations, the problem is when these religions become multiculturalized. I also think religions are used by people for an exscuse to race mix. You will often see White born again Christians or White converts to Islam marry non Whites. This belief in "God" justifies their race mixing, that is how they look at it.

The "situation in Europe started to go bad when people" adopted the alien creed known as xtianity. This more than anything else has been the biggest cause of our deterioration as a race over the centuries.
There is no evidence to support your assertion that "religious people are likely to have more children than non religious people" unless you can prove otherwise?
The "flooding of Europe" with non Aryans started to occur after the defeat of the Third Reich,a direct result of Churchill`s treason.
People who race-mix do not need an "excuse". They do not think of the consequences and require no excuse or justification for their acts.

Aryan religions are as racially diverse as Christianity and Islam. I would figure its quite hard to have a realistic idea of what pre Christian Europe was like. Wotanism and it's followers have not ruffled a hair on the head of the kikes, it simply is not an ideology that appeals to many White folk. Take a look at the world now, Islam is the only ideology the jews and NWO fear. As I stated earlier on this thread there are positive and negative traits you can take from the majority of the worlds religions. Whites need to create a religion based on their own ideals and moral code, it also needs to be a religion that can change with the times. The dogmatic nature of Islam and Christianity is their worst trait.

Wotanism by its very nature is not intended and never was intended for the masses but is an elitist spirituality.
We should not concern ourselves over the beliefs or lack of them of the masses.
The masses are merely here to do the bidding of their masters.When the time comes they will swap their jewish masters for us.[Or perish]

Do you realize how that sounds? That is a weak-minded statement meaning that people actually need to worship something. It seems like someone trying to create another cult. It has been tried twice and failed.

Whites don’t need another religious cult to further divide us. Either you believe in something or not. Atheists don’t need to create religions out of the hope of worshiping something.

What white people need right now is a form of government that will free us from the Jews. We need a political ideology that can be backed by Christians, Odinists, and Atheists. A whites only government is the cure for whites.

Another cult would just make whites weaker and give the feeble minded something else in the long list of divisions to argue over.

I agree.A sound message.