I must admit the National Socialist Movement IS America's fastest growing White Nationalist organization ... and Hail Victory for that o/

Thank you very much. It's hard to deny the fact that we are the fastest growing WN organization in America

I've not a fan of the NSM, but I will give credit where credit is due - their Lansing rally was well done, the speakers, for the most part, good. Cliff Herrington did the best speech by far, followed by Hal Turner, then Jeff Schoep. Bill White came across a poor fourth - possibly because his voice sounded just a tad effeminate. But that aside, the NSM clearly demonstrated that the National Alliance is definitely dead and all but forgotten, and the clones known as National Vanguard and White Revolution just a couple of droopy drippy duds.

Really, I think the NSM did quite well. Maybe they'll eventually evolve further, adopting new uniforms and new symbols to match our times. Whatever the case, they definitely are the top WN organization in America - at least for the moment.

We'll see what happens next.

I think the NSM could have an interesting effect if they could organize demonstrations with 5000, 10,000 or a 100,000 troops. Just think of how much it would roil up the muds and how much it would cost cities to keep the peace if that many racialists dedicated two weekends a month to the good cause.

Perhaps you should make stirring up muds and bankrupting anti white city regimes your main mission. Be the provocative pro-white protest organization bar none. Generally, government bureaucrats are easily intimidated, as we have seen in their capitulation to rioting niggers since the 1960s. Constant, provocative protest is poison for elected officials, even worse for them are gone wild muds rioting every time a couple of thousand Nazies get together for a peaceful walk.

Yes, the NSM is becoming more impressive and at a rapid rate. This makes it a perfect time to ditch the old Nazi costumes, relics of the past that they are, and adopt new uniforms and symbols to represent 21st century racialism in America.

I think the Celtic cross at the center of a flag with two stripes to the side would be a pretty effective symbol.

Like this:
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/racist_celtic_cross.asp

The uniforms are not going to change. Simple as that. And the NSM isn't going to stop growing

Vonbluvens

I'm sorry to hear that. I just watched the most recent NSM video and it was impressive. I think if I was a typical lemming I'd have been influenced, but the uniforms that are relics of the past are ridiculous.

Consider this, from Mein Kampf itself, where Hitler discusses "folkish" Germans:

"The characteristic thing about these people is that they rave about old Germanic heroism, about dim prehistory, stone axes spear and shield, but in reality are the greatest cowards that can be imagined. For the same people who brandish scholarly imitations of old German tin swords, and wear a dressed bearskin with bull's horns over their bearded heads, preach for the present nothing but struggle with spiritual weapons, and run away as fast as they can from every Communist blackjack. Posterity will have little occasion to glorify their own heroic existence in a new epic.
I came to know these people too well not to feel the profoundest disgust at their miserable play-acting. But they make a ridiculous impression on the broad masses, and the Jew has every reason to spare these folkish comedians, even to prefer them to the true fighters for a coming German state. With all this, these people are boundlessly conceited; despite all the proofs of their complete incompetence, they daim to know everything better and become a real plague for all straightforward and honest fighters to whom heroism seems worth honoring, not only in the past, but who also endeavor to give posterity a similar picture by their own actions."

Link: http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch12.html

Hell, I'm not suggesting you are cowards or that you "tone down your message" - fuck no - I think NSM should NAME THE JEW even MORE! But the uniforms really "make a ridiculoius impression."

Keep the name NSM... keep the swastika even, if it's that important - but drop the "Sieg Heil" (a German slogan, not American) and drop the Swastika flag with the Nazi relics and the old uniforms. Those are uniforms of a defeated people.

What the old uniforms show is a fundamental lack of creativity. When Hitler created the National Socialist movement, he didn't look to the past to create the Nazi image. All the uniforms Hitler used were designed with the future in mind. We can do the same.

It wouldn't be THAT much effort, at this point, to make the change. In the future, when it really matters, the German Nazi uniforms and relics of the past may prove fatal.

The NSM is nothing more than a Jew flag operation that people like the SPLC love because those 75 y/o GERMAN uniforms rake in the cash for the SPLC. The minute the NSM is no longer useful to ZOG/SPLC/JEWS they will be history. Good riddance itz.

Either way the NSM will be embarassed out of the WN Movement in '08 when their laughable bid for the US President/VP meets UNREALIZED EXPECTATIONS! Let's be honest. The NSM will never be a viable political force. The NSM couldn't get elected for Dog Catcher in a Mississippi Trailer Court!:cheers:

In your heart you know I am right.

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RE: Fenrir

Consider this, from Mein Kampf itself, where Hitler discusses "folkish" Germans:

I’m familiar with what AH was trying to impart here. However, the difference today is that no matter what type of uniform and regalia any of the pro-White groups adopt, the jew media will portray and compare them to Nazis. Might as well go with it.

The jew is being forced to give media attention because they have to keep-up the charade that they loath Nazis. They can’t not cover a rally. And the jew media can’t help getting city governments all worked-up and afraid that those horrible Nazis are coming to town, thereby giving tons of extra publicity to the NSM‘s rallies. So what! If it’s negative publicity, how much positive publicity have we, here at VNN, gotten with our TAA distributions?

Publicity in and by itself will cause people to be curious and explore, in spite of how shrill the jew screams “hater”. After all, it will be only the strongest minded people who will step forward to ask questions and they are precisely those who the NSM wants to attract.

For those who claim that the NSM is a false flag; all I can say is that that accusation sounds like something a desperate jew would say. And that is simply because of what I’ve stated above is undeniably a fact and they have nothing else to say.

The NSM has the jew over a barrel and they are unstoppable. As long as the leadership stays the course and they maintain momentum and not rest on their laurels, I foresee a mighty and inexorable juggernaut in the making.

Even jewywood knows that, even bad publicity is good. It gets people curious.

They practice that, with their advertising, every day.

It does work so, any publicity, is good publicity.

Get noticed, is the name of the game. Do you think all these stupid faggot parades, go unnoticed? No. They do get attention, and get talked about. Hell, they got enough attention, to get themselves legalized in Massachusetts, so it does work, my friends.

What gets the most attention? The squeakiest, loudest wheel, it gets oiled first, doesn't it?

Let's start thinking that way, be loud, and obnoxious. I know, its not the "White" way, but it will get us the attention we need, and when that happens. People will start to think a little more about us.

Then, we will be taken seriously. We are missing the boat, on this one, but it's true.

Let's get louder, no one hears silence. If they don't like it, too fuckin bad.

The uniforms are not going to change. Simple as that. And the NSM isn't going to stop growing

Well, I give credit where I find it's due. The NSM has taken the lead in activism. However, with the current dismal state of WN organizations here in North America, that's not saying a hell of a lot.

I don't have a problem with flying the Swastika, as I view it as a symbol of an open defiance of the Jew, but the uniforms look bloody ridiculous. It reeks of fetishism and hobbyism. This isn't 1930s era pre-war Germany, it's 2006. And another continent.

But then again, nobody else is doing anything at all except collecting dues and following the "meet, eat & retreat" school of faux resistance.

The only uniforms I have ever worn were those of a Cub Scout and the USMC. I won't be wearing an outdated SA uniform, but I am willing to check out a meeting and hear the program, if non-members are allowed.

Does the NSM have an active presence in Ohio?

... ehhhh these guys, they're in their world war 2 regalia and they're fat and they don't look like they're in shape....(HTS)

But they did put on a good show at Lansing... I was pleasantly surprised.

Hal's speech was great. Hal is the most electrifying man in White Nationalism today.

From top to bottom it is filled with intellectual, emotional and mental defectives. How can anything be sustaining with these freaks among the ranks?

I’m familiar with what AH was trying to impart here. However, the difference today is that no matter what type of uniform and regalia any of the pro-White groups adopt, the jew media will portray and compare them to Nazis. Might as well go with it.

No, that's not a difference at all Brutus. The Jews in Weimar Germany slandered the Nazis as much as they did any other national group struggling for Germany's survival. The Jews might not have had an effective group from the past to identify all their enemies with, but that didn't seem to stop them from spewing their endless lies.

I think it's important to be very clear why I think changing the uniforms is important - they really do smack of fetishism. Fetishism conveys a lack of seriousness. They indicate an unhealthy fascination with a Germany of the past. It's not what the Jews call the NSM in the papers - it's how the masses perceive the NSM at the rallies. A big and important difference. When the Jews wail "Nazi" and make up lies about the NSM, that's one thing. When the NSM demonstrates itself to be obsessed with a lost age that's quite another thing than the usual Jewish lies.

People don't like to look to the past - they want a vision of the future - a white future. The past? We've been there, done that, and failed. We want the future. The Nazi uniforms are the past - a failed past too. Jews will wail and whine either way, and that means we should just shine the spotlight on them even more, but white nationalists injure themselves when they demonstrate in Nazi uniforms and yell "Sieg Heil." Why not just "White power?"

Look at the words Hitler used: "dim prehistory," "new epic," "posterity." He knew how to do it and understood the message. When Hitler used Nazi uniforms, they were new and people thought of them as "the future."

Everything Hitler did will work again, because despite all the (Jew) nonsense about this being an "enlightened age," masses of humans DO NOT CHANGE. They will always remain as Hitler understood them to be, and they can be led accordingly.

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From top to bottom it is filled with intellectual, emotional and mental defectives. How can anything be sustaining with these freaks among the ranks?

That's no big deal. The original Nazi party was full of defectives too and they did pretty well. Hitler was just a bum off the streets, Goebbels was a loser with a PhD and a bad foot, later in his life Goering was a lard ass, etc.

Nah, the NSM will do fine. They just need to get new uniforms and name the Jew even harder.