From top to bottom it is filled with intellectual, emotional and mental defectives. How can anything be sustaining with these freaks among the ranks?

Why are you complaining about VNN? Isn't this about the NSM?

Well, I give credit where I find it's due. The NSM has taken the lead in activism. However, with the current dismal state of WN organizations here in North America, that's not saying a hell of a lot.

I don't have a problem with flying the Swastika, as I view it as a symbol of an open defiance of the Jew, but the uniforms look bloody ridiculous. It reeks of fetishism and hobbyism. This isn't 1930s era pre-war Germany, it's 2006. And another continent.

But then again, nobody else is doing anything at all except collecting dues and following the "meet, eat & retreat" school of faux resistance.
The only uniforms I have ever worn were those of a Cub Scout and the USMC. I won't be wearing an outdated SA uniform, but I am willing to check out a meeting and hear the program, if non-members are allowed.

Hibernian,

I too wore those same uniforms. The NSM has a very active and dynamic presence in the state of Ohio. IMO, they are stronger there than anyplace else right now. Leadership is extremely strong and motivated. I am positive they would welcome anyone who wishes to find out more about the NSM and its program. If you are truly interested, go to http://www.nsm88.com and scroll down to the Units and Contacts tab. There are several contact points for the state of Ohio.

Remember, you DO NOT have to wear a uniform to be a member of the NSM!!! There are many roles you can take on that do not require you to be in a uniform. Good luck, and contact me personally if you need more assistance.

Vonbluvens

I'm sorry to hear that. I just watched the most recent NSM video and it was impressive. I think if I was a typical lemming I'd have been influenced, but the uniforms that are relics of the past are ridiculous.

Consider this, from Mein Kampf itself, where Hitler discusses "folkish" Germans:

"The characteristic thing about these people is that they rave about old Germanic heroism, about dim prehistory, stone axes spear and shield, but in reality are the greatest cowards that can be imagined. For the same people who brandish scholarly imitations of old German tin swords, and wear a dressed bearskin with bull's horns over their bearded heads, preach for the present nothing but struggle with spiritual weapons, and run away as fast as they can from every Communist blackjack. Posterity will have little occasion to glorify their own heroic existence in a new epic.
I came to know these people too well not to feel the profoundest disgust at their miserable play-acting. But they make a ridiculous impression on the broad masses, and the Jew has every reason to spare these folkish comedians, even to prefer them to the true fighters for a coming German state. With all this, these people are boundlessly conceited] http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch12.html [/URL]

Hell, I'm not suggesting you are cowards or that you "tone down your message" - fuck no - I think NSM should NAME THE JEW even MORE! But the uniforms really "make a ridiculoius impression."

Keep the name NSM... keep the swastika even, if it's that important - but drop the "Sieg Heil" (a German slogan, not American) and drop the Swastika flag with the Nazi relics and the old uniforms. Those are uniforms of a defeated people.

What the old uniforms show is a fundamental lack of creativity. When Hitler created the National Socialist movement, he didn't look to the past to create the Nazi image. All the uniforms Hitler used were designed with the future in mind. We can do the same.

It wouldn't be THAT much effort, at this point, to make the change. In the future, when it really matters, the German Nazi uniforms and relics of the past may prove fatal.

Fenrir,

All great points that, unfortunately, will continue to fall on deaf ears.

Hibernian,

I too wore those same uniforms. The NSM has a very active and dynamic presence in the state of Ohio. IMO, they are stronger there than anyplace else right now. Leadership is extremely strong and motivated. I am positive they would welcome anyone who wishes to find out more about the NSM and its program. If you are truly interested, go to http://www.nsm88.com and scroll down to the Units and Contacts tab. There are several contact points for the state of Ohio.

Remember, you DO NOT have to wear a uniform to be a member of the NSM!!! There are many roles you can take on that do not require you to be in a uniform. Good luck, and contact me personally if you need more assistance.

Thanks, Brother. I was not aware that the wearing of the uniform was not required. To be quite honest, that's been the main reason that I steered clear of the NSM. I really do think they (SA uniforms) are counter-productive. However, if others in the group wish to wear them, I can live with that.

I just did a quick check of the NSM site, and it does indeed look like Ohio has an active membership.

I'm going to send off an email to a somewhat local contact listed and take it from there.

Thanks for the heads up about the uniforms.

Semper Fi, Devil Dog.

yell "Sieg Heil." Why not just "White power?"

One thing that makes me cringe is how Americans pronounce “Sieg Heil”, there is no good way to pronounce that in English, particularly in American English. Hail Victory would be sound more fitting.

For a modern example, check out these guys, the Jeunesses Identitaires (JI).

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=8734

Here’s a cool video.

http://fr.novopress.info/novo-print.php?p=4895

VonBluvens: The uniforms are not going to change. Simple as that.

I believe that part of the hostility towards the NSM is that many WNs (including myself) do not understand how its internal organization functions, and that it has no real infrastructural protocol in place for changing the way things look or are done. This engenders mistrust for the NSM.

For instance, WHO determines what the uniforms look like? (George Lincoln Rockwell may once have done so, but he's long dead) Surely, it can't be Bill White, Michael Blevins, or Hal Turner, since the 1930's uniforms were already in place long before they came along. I suspect it's Cliff Herrington who controls the entire "look" of the NSM, with perhaps some minor imput by Jeff Schoep.

So, the question I would liked answered is this: IF the NSM should ever decide to change their uniforms, WHO within the NSM has the authority to enact such a decision? Is the power to do so within the hands of one individual, or several?

Another question: It's been claimed (to my recollection) that one can join the NSM but not be required to wear the NSM uniform. If that is true, would such a member be able to wear a uniform of his own design, sans the swastika and 1930's look?

I ask these questions because the more information about how the NSM's internal decision making process is administered and conducted is necessary if more trust in the NSM itself is to be gained.

I think less people would have a problem with the unifroms if the members didn't look so undisciplined.

Germany was a nation full of war veterans. The militancy was only natural when millions of men had spent 4 years fighting in the trenches. The SA was effective because the ranks were filled with former soldiers. Even the young men who were too young to fight in the war, joined the SA because they were hungry. No jobs, and the military was basically defunct, so they essentially "enlisted" in the SA.

If you have to have uniforms, enact some standards. Create an "Honor Guard." This "Honor Guard" would be the only members allowed to wear uniforms at public demonstrations. You'd want younger guys between the age of 18-30, and they must be physically fit. Also, uniforms must be tailored, and regulations on hair style and facial hair. Get yourself 20 of these guys for your public demonstrations, whose only job would be to line up and look scary, and then you'd be alright. Schoep and all other "top members" should be wearing black suits, white shirts, black ties.

If they actually looked like disciplined soldiers, then the uniforms would project power rather than mockery.

However, I am glad they get out there. The entire globe is watching TV and seeing hundreds of thousands of Mexicans go in the street and basically say that this is their country. And the world sees no opposition from anyone. What the Communist Chinese bosses must be thinking. Look how weak we look.

The entire globe is watching. I'd like them to see some swastikas.

I believe that part of the hostility towards the NSM is that many WNs (including myself) do not understand how its internal organization functions, and that it has no real infrastructural protocol in place for changing the way things look or are done. This engenders mistrust for the NSM.

For instance, WHO determines what the uniforms look like? (George Lincoln Rockwell may once have done so, but he's long dead) Surely, it can't be Bill White, Michael Blevins, or Hal Turner, since the 1930's uniforms were already in place long before they came along. I suspect it's Cliff Herrington who controls the entire "look" of the NSM, with perhaps some minor imput by Jeff Schoep.

So, the question I would liked answered is this: IF the NSM should ever decide to change their uniforms, WHO within the NSM has the authority to enact such a decision? Is the power to do so within the hands of one individual, or several?

Another question: It's been claimed (to my recollection) that one can join the NSM but not be required to wear the NSM uniform. If that is true, would such a member be able to wear a uniform of his own design, sans the swastika and 1930's look?

I ask these questions because the more information about how the NSM's internal decision making process is administered and conducted is necessary if more trust in the NSM itself is to be gained.

All good questions. I am in no position to answer them with any authority, but I will give my opinion. I don't think it's important just WHO has the authority to change the uniform of the NSM. The cow has already left the barn, so to speak, because the NSM is made up of those who FULLY support and enjoy wearing the uniform, and those who have accepted the uniform, even though they may not choose to wear it. So there is no internal impetus or movement within the NSM to have the uniform changed. As you all should know by now, the NSM really doesn't care what outsiders have to say about the matter. NSM leadership knows that if they change the uniform, there would be a tremendous split within the organization much like the one that occurred with Rockwell's American Nazi Party. One would have to pretty sure that changing the uniform would lead to making the organization stronger, because several key and valuable individuals would defect over such a decision.

You ask about wearing a uniform of your own design. I don't think that would go over too well. If you were part of a Unit that has several members, it definately would not be tolerated. If you were an individual member with no Unit affiliation, you could show up at a Rally once with your own design and get away with it, but probably not a second time. There would have to be some PURPOSE to the uniform you have designed, and then it would have to be officially approved.

As far as how "internal protocols" work, I wouldn't tell you if I did know, and I don't.

Respectfully,
DRC

I think less people would have a problem with the unifroms if the members didn't look so undisciplined.

Germany was a nation full of war veterans. The militancy was only natural when millions of men had spent 4 years fighting in the trenches. The SA was effective because the ranks were filled with former soldiers. Even the young men who were too young to fight in the war, joined the SA because they were hungry. No jobs, and the military was basically defunct, so they essentially "enlisted" in the SA.

If you have to have uniforms, enact some standards. Create an "Honor Guard." This "Honor Guard" would be the only members allowed to wear uniforms at public demonstrations. You'd want younger guys between the age of 18-30, and they must be physically fit. Also, uniforms must be tailored, and regulations on hair style and facial hair. Get yourself 20 of these guys for your public demonstrations, whose only job would be to line up and look scary, and then you'd be alright. Schoep and all other "top members" should be wearing black suits, white shirts, black ties.

If they actually looked like disciplined soldiers, then the uniforms would project power rather than mockery.

However, I am glad they get out there. The entire globe is watching TV and seeing hundreds of thousands of Mexicans go in the street and basically say that this is their country. And the world sees no opposition from anyone. What the Communist Chinese bosses must be thinking. Look how weak we look.

The entire globe is watching. I'd like them to see some swastikas.

It would be difficult to ask a member to pay dues and be a good National Socialist, but then deny him/her the right to wear the SA uniform. I see your point, and I agree with you. Once again, however, the cow has already left the barn on this. It is hard to disallow what you have allowed from the start. What you all are doing, whether you know it or not, is laying the groundwork for a kick-ass, properly led and inspired National Socialist organization! So who will take the lead, put thought into ideology, procedures and protocals, and THEN build the premier National Socialist organization in America? WHO?

I have to grudgingly admit the NSM is the only voice publicly speaking out against White genocide, and should be recognized for their efforts. My only problem is with a certain, ahem, member of the NSM. My opinion about this and the uniforms are well documented in previous posts, so I won't repeat them here. Suffice to say, I agree with Fenrir wholeheartedly.

The NSM is growing, and this is good. Imagine how many more people would join if they adopted a different image. Something to think about.

I think an all black uniform would be perfect. Black boots with white or red laces, black pants, black button down shirt emblazoned with the swastika, and a black field cap.

I had my friends over this weekend and we discussed the NSM uniform.

After reviewing the pics and videos of the Lansing rally and other NSM events we all agreed that you are doing a great job but the NSM’s overall stature could be greatly increased by making a few simple changes.

Ditch the gum.

Ditch "Sieg Heil" for "White Power" or something else that’s not so foreign sounding.

Ditch the Kepi hats for the modern black BDU hats like these.

Maybe keep the kepi hats for specific people like the flag bearers or something but in general black BDU hats look the best and besides they are a hell of a lot cheaper so decking out the entire unit with sharp uniform hats is much more attainable.

And if you must wear shades ditch the sporty wrap around stuff for the classic aviator style.

Other than the kepi hats I think the uniform looks very modern. It’s similar to but not the same as the German SA.

As far as the Swastika I say keep it forever. I like Celtic crosses, life runes, and others but I like the Swastika the best. Symbols like the ones I previously mentioned and damn near all variants thereof are already considered neo-Nazi symbols anyway so you might as well get straight to the point.

When the going gets tough people will come running for the Swastikas.

And on the subject of uniforms I think these Russians are doing a pretty good job.

http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=NLfgEZyNpKk&search=%20nazi

more images can be found at nsm88radio.com

NS comrades of the National Socialist Front in Sweden.

So long as everybody looks sharp, tie tip should hit above the belt. XXXL to hide those beer bellies. In fact get the Stormtroopers on a diet and get them working out ... and stop working out the "beer hand".

Commander Rockwell ALWAYS made sure he troops looked sharp.

[color="Red"]The following article is germane to the topic of this thread. My comments follow

Nation in brief

N.Y. war protest stretches 10 blocks

By Wire services
Published April 30, 2006

NEW YORK - Tens of thousands of protesters marched Saturday through lower Manhattan to call for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, just hours after this month's death toll reached 70.

Cindy Sheehan, a critic of the war whose soldier son also died in Iraq, joined in the march, as did actor Susan Sarandon and the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

"End this war, bring the troops home," read one sign lifted by marchers on the sunny afternoon, three years after the war in Iraq began.

The demonstrators stretched for about 10 blocks as they headed down Broadway. Organizers said 300,000 people marched, though a police spokesman declined to give an estimate. There were no reports of arrests.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/04/30/Worldandnation/NY_war_protest_stretc.shtml

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The above article was hidden away on page 6. Wow! Hundreds of thousands of people marching down Broadway, effectively closing-down mid-town Manhattan for hours, a march that included jew-beloved icons such as Jesse Jackson and Susan Sarandon and they only got a tiny blurb in the paper with a heading that says “Nation in brief”? On page 6?

The pro-democrat, very dove-like and liberal leaning St. Petersburg Times (largest jew rag in the Tampa Bay area) chose to bump this gigantic anti-war event off it’s front page because, "Ja'Wanna Waddy, pictured here in her doctor's office, has given birth to three premature babies."

Looks like the jew was desperate for lead stories yesterday, doesn’t it?

This is the same newspaper that for two weeks straight, ran front page coverage of a dispute between two neighbors solely because one of the neighbors was a neo-Nazi who had the audacity to fly a Nazi flag from his single-wide trailer. The trailer was identified in the press as a dangerous “Nazi compound.”

I am pointing this out to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the jew is obsessed with everything Nazi.

The NSM has a rally with only 75 members in Lansing, Michigan, a mid-size city, and that gets front page coverage with color photo and scads of reports from law inforcement and city government. But a 300,000+ star-studded march in NYC gets only cursory coverage, on page 6 with no picture and the police won't even say exactly how many people attended the march!

This tells us that the NSM, replete with uniforms, are commanding the attention of the jew media at their beckon call. The jew must give the NSM coverage to keep-up the charade that Nazis are violent criminal people who should be feared by the lemmings and hated by the muds. And the jew falls into the trap of being caught in those lies at every NSM rally. White people who attend the rallies can plainly see with their own eyes who the rabble-rousers are and who is speaking the truth.

The NSM effectively by-passes the jew media lie-machine and takes the truth directly to the people. It’s a road-show that is picking up adherents where ever they go, in spite of the jew media screaming “hater”, “Bigot” and “evil Nazi”.

By virtue of the fact the NSM is wearing the Nazi uniform, IS THE SOLE REASON WHY THEY ARE GETTING COVERAGE IN THE jEW MEDIA! That uniform has trumped even Jesse Jackson and Susan Sarandon for it’s news worthiness as far as the jew is concerned. That is the whole point. Think it through, it’s really a great idea!

Once the people see that the NSM is growing, they will be more inclined to listen with an open mind. Then they will be receptive to hearing the truth about the uniform and it’s symbolism. The larger the membership becomes, the greater the credibility will become. It’s a snowball running pell-mell down the hill and picking up speed and growing as it goes. Do not stand in it’s way.

Because our voice is choked-off in the media, all we have left is the streets. Yes, we have the internet, but the jew is in the process of demonizing it as a haven for child predators and hate speech and it won’t be long before they censor it in total.

The NSM and their “Boots in the Streets” is what’s happening in the world of pro-White activism. While the internet remains uncensored, we would be wise to throw the NSM our support and to continue our own outreach projects and where possible, work in concert with the NSM.

There is nothing wrong with giving constructive criticism. And many have made some good suggestions. But more importantly, we should make it a point to give credit where credit is due and we should step back and allow them to “try it their way” and allow for them to reach their maximum potential.