Here's Edgar's rebuttal to Makow's attack:
Never Trust A Jew

Note the date of Edgar's article - September 21. It must be a coincidence that the points that were raised in this thread three days ago turned up in his article. ]

Not a coincidence at all. Nor were they just "raised in this thread," as it actually was you, Amalekite, whoever you might be, who raised some of them, just as you modestly neglect to point out. Let me do it for you while thanking you.

The illogic of Makow's claim of anti-Semites being loved by our overlords probably occurred independently to a great many, as it did to me the moment I read his article, particularly in view of the new ADL hate law just passed by the House, however.

But, the entire Canadian business was a direct outgrowth of your comments here, for which I thank you - it was just the touch required to twist the knife in him. Without that aspect, I still would have responded but would have been unable to convincingly argue his intentional duplicity. Would I have pulled it up independently in researching him for the piece? Maybe, but you surely made it easy for me.

There is nothing new under the sun, as they say, and all that any of us writes truly is an amalgam of what we have seen others say and do, in the main. However, let me make it perfectly clear that you were the one to plant that whole concept in my brain, thanks to your brilliant postings in this thread.

Now, I dislike dishonesty and plagiarism is intellectual dishonesty. I did not intend to plagiarize even your idea, which is not really plagiarism - plagiarism is the literal lifting of verbal expression - but that is quibbling. Had I known your real name, I likely would have cited you for the concept and, perhaps, even quoted you directly. Haphazard forum postings, however, are not the stuff of which citations are made...not that your thoughts were haphazard.

As it is, if you wish, I would like to amend the posted article to provide at least a reference to you for that concept, if you are willing to be quoted by your real name.

-ed

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Not a coincidence at all. Nor were they just "raised in this thread," as it actually was you, Amalekite, whoever you might be, who raised some of them, just as you modestly neglect to point out. Let me do it for you while thanking you.

The illogic of Makow's claim of anti-Semites being loved by our overlords probably occurred independently to a great many, as it did to me the moment I read his article, particularly in view of the new ADL hate law just passed by the House, however.

But, the entire Canadian business was a direct outgrowth of your comments here, for which I thank you - it was just the touch required to twist the knife in him. Without that aspect, I still would have responded but would have been unable to convincingly argue his intentional duplicity. Would I have pulled it up independently in researching him for the piece? Maybe, but you surely made it easy for me.

There is nothing new under the sun, as they say, and all that any of us writes truly is an amalgam of what we have seen others say and do, in the main. However, let me make it perfectly clear that you were the one to plant that whole concept in my brain, thanks to your brilliant postings in this thread.

Now, I dislike dishonesty and plagiarism is intellectual dishonesty. I did not intend to plagiarize even your idea, which is not really plagiarism - plagiarism is the literal lifting of verbal expression - but that is quibbling. Had I known your real name, I likely would have cited you for the concept and, perhaps, even quoted you directly. Haphazard forum postings, however, are not the stuff of which citations are made...not that your thoughts were haphazard.

As it is, if you wish, I would like to amend the posted article to provide at least a reference to you for that concept, if you are willing to be quoted by your real name.

-ed

Ed,

That's very gracious of you. What you've written above says a lot about the quality of your character. I was surprised to see some of the stuff from this thread turn up in your article - but not in a bad way! Don't worry about crediting me. This isn't about me or you or any of our individual egos - it's about our collective survival. I'm glad some of the thoughts I posted here were useful, and they'll get more exposure in your article than they would just staying buried in this thread.

I first became aware of Henry Makow about three years ago, and was later amazed to learn he was a Jew. I thought he might've been one of the rare "good Jews", but after seeing how he attacked you, it's pretty clear that he's not on our team. This guy needs to be exposed! With your article (which is excellent, BTW), we're off to a good start.

I just can't believe how good this Steele/AMalekite/Makow discussion is. I'm going to read the whole thing again! And a few of the posts on Makow's forum are excellent as well - telling it like it is without demented ranting.

The Amelakites were put to the sword by the Israelites every man woman child and beast of the field. I dont want to see that happen to you. Want me to change your name?

The Amelakites were put to the sword by the Israelites every man woman child and beast of the field. I dont want to see that happen to you. Want me to change your name?

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Thanks a lot, pal. Now the ADL knows what I look like.

Hey, I like "Igor" better than "Amelakite." The Amelakites were put to the sword by the Israelites every man woman child and beast of the field. I dont want to see that happen to you Igor. Want me to change your name?

Nah, that's OK. I won't let history repeat itself. :box:

The article by Makow can still be linked to but it is NOT in the index on the website (savethemales.ca) - was it removed from the index? or was it never indexed? I *thought* I first saw this article referenced from rense.com, but, now I don't see any such reference - did Rense maybe pull that reference? What bothers me is why those websites that linked to the original article did NOT also link to Edgar's reply. That is cheap jounalism - something I didn't expect from rense - did anyone else see it linked to from rense? I wonder why Makow keeps the article available (if you know the exact link), but doesn't index it, as he does many many other articles. Edgar gets it right again - what else is new? If anyone else saw the Makow article linked to by Rense, please confrim what I seem to remember for myself - if so, that does it for me as far as rense goes - insead of pulling the link, he should have left it there and then linked to Edgar's reply.

The article by Makow can still be linked to but it is NOT in the index on the website (savethemales.ca) - was it removed from the index? or was it never indexed? I *thought* I first saw this article referenced from rense.com, but, now I don't see any such reference - did Rense maybe pull that reference? What bothers me is why those websites that linked to the original article did NOT also link to Edgar's reply. That is cheap jounalism - something I didn't expect from rense - did anyone else see it linked to from rense? I wonder why Makow keeps the article available (if you know the exact link), but doesn't index it, as he does many many other articles. Edgar gets it right again - what else is new? If anyone else saw the Makow article linked to by Rense, please confrim what I seem to remember for myself - if so, that does it for me as far as rense goes - insead of pulling the link, he should have left it there and then linked to Edgar's reply.

Ya know... I'm not gonna make any allegations that I can't back up, but vanishing links and articles is something I've come to expect in matters Jewish. Have you tried emailing Rense and Makow to ask them why they did this? Let us know what you find out.

(This was originally posted to this thread 4 weeks ago as message #6. I accidentally deleted it so I'm posting it again.)

Why Jewish Bankers Love Anti-Semites

It's not the Jews... It is the "satanic cult of British freemasonry".

At the begining of the article, Makow writes -

"In a 2003 article, 'It Ain't Arabs' [sic] Steele gives about 60 reasons for hating [sic] Jews. Some relate to his personal experience. But 90% result from the actions of Jews (including Zionists) who were/are manipulated and empowered by the London banking cartel. They do not apply to a majority of North American Jews who like myself are opposed to Zionism in its current form and alienated from mainstream Judaism."

Further on, he states -

"Anti-Semites are like dogs who drive the Jewish sheep into the bankers' pen. In spite of this, some Jews are questioning the instrumental role Jews play in the creation of the New World Order."

Is it just me, or do these statements reek of hypocrisy? Why is it wrong for Steele to make generalizations about Jews, while Makow plainly recognizes "the instrumental role Jews play in the creation of the New World Order"? Isn't Makow (a Jew who converted to Catholicism, apparently) basically lambasting Steele for making observations that he himself acknowledges are true?

Incidentally, where is this "majority of North American Jews" who are opposed to Jewish Supremacism? It seems you never hear a squeak from this apparently large but elusive group. Where were all the "good Jews" - you know, the ones who care so much about our civil liberties and all that - when political prisoner Ernst Zundel was rotting in a Canadian jail cell for two years? Funny how even the "good Jews" like to turn a blind eye to what their fellow tribesmen are doing when it comes to exacting retribution for transgressions against the tribe (such as pointing out that "the Holocaust" is a massive and brazen fraud).

Makow also writes -

"Racists ensure that Jews conform to the bankers' agenda and non-Jews remain divided."

- thereby demonstrating the old Polish proverb "the Jew cries out in pain as he slaps you." If the Jews conform to "the bankers' agenda", it's the racists' fault! The racists must be making them do it! G-d forbid that the blame for anything, EVER, should fall on Jews!

There is a tendency for liberal-leftist Jews who have become pariahs in their own (Jewish) communities to shift the blame for their fellow tribesmen's activities to more fuzzy and abstract entities like "corporations", "the system", "bankers" , etc. To this way of thinking, any Jew who plays "an instrumental role in the creation of the New World Order" must be the innocent pawn of some secret elite (who, while their names are unknown, can't possibly be Jewish) or of some evil "system" (that Jews played absolutely no part in shaping, of course). Either way, these poor Jewish dupes should not be held responsible for their behavior - as always, they're the victims, not the perpetrators, and blaming them is wrong, don't you see?

If "anti-Semitism" is so good for "the bankers", as Makow claims, why are Jews in his homeland of Canada, along with Canada's presumably banker-controlled government, doing everything they can to outlaw so-called anti-Semitic "hate speech"? Wouldn't the omnipotent "bankers" want to encourage such speech if it served the purpose he claims it does? If Makow is so concerned about everybody's civil liberties, why doesn't he write an expose about what Jews - not "bankers", not corporations, not the Illuminati, not the military-industrial complex, but plain old Jews - are doing to destroy freedom of thought and speech in Canada?

I'd love to give a Jew the benefit of a doubt for a change, but this article is just more self-serving, double-talking snake oil for the goyim.

I stand by most of what I wrote about Makow, but to be fair...

The Other Side of Holocaust Denial

By Henry Makow Ph.D.
May 19, 2003

Although I am the grandson of Holocaust victims, I am embarrassed by some Jewish organizations that want to make the Jewish Holocaust the defining event of World War Two.

This is seen in the boom in Holocaust Studies Programs, Holocaust Museums and Hollywood movies like "The Pianist."

Canadian Media mogul Izzy Asper is behind a new $200 million "Holocaust and Human Rights Museum" in Winnipeg. The name equates Jewish persecution with all "human rights."

The Second World War was a human calamity. Over 55 million people died. Why focus on the Jewish experience? This is the cause of anti Semitism in the first place. Jewish power brokers are perpetuating a vicious cycle.

I am also troubled by the attempt to classify people like Ernst Zundel as a "hate criminal." Zundel's website claims only one million Jews were murdered, there were no gas chambers, and Hitler didn't intend genocide. Zundel's claims are repugnant, but he has a right to be wrong. Society needs people to dispute the historical record. One may be right. If spreading false information is a crime, shouldn't we also lock up Tom Brokaw?

Canada has locked up Ernst Zundel. According to his wife, he is being mistreated in prison. He risks deportation as a "security risk." Bernie Farber of the Canadian Jewish Congress concedes Zundel doesn't "actually wield the stick" but "provides oxygen" to extremists. That definition would curb everyone's freedom of speech.

When questioning the truth becomes "hate", we have entered Orwell's "1984" era of thought crime. Don't kid yourself. This is the slippery slope to tyranny and Jewish organizations are partly to blame. We must stand up in defiance.

The charge of hate is used selectively to disarm legitimate opposition. The definition of "hatred" is very selective. For example lesbians spew hatred of men but they are never arrested. Feminists teach impressionable girls that all males are potentially violent sexual predators. That's OK. The Talmud is full of hatred against Christ and Christians, but that doesn't count either.

Canadian MP Svend Robinson wants to make "gay bashing" a hate crime. He isn't talking about violence against gays, which is a genuine crime. He would prevent society from defending itself from activists who teach children that heterosexual roles are not natural but homosexuality is.

"Hate" is a bogus charge anyway. Many so-called "Anti Semites" have written me and most are not hateful or racist in the least. They are trying to defend their legitimate interests from a real and insidious attack. The arch anti-Semite Henry Ford, author of "The International Jew" employed thousands of Jews in his factories. He worked closely with a Jew, Mme. Rosika Schwimmer on his Peace Ship crusade. Ford's Jewish architect Albert Kahn designed hundreds of buildings for him.

Jewish powerbrokers use anti Semitism to disarm opposition to their political agenda. The promotion of the Jewish Holocaust maintains the Jews' status as the world's premier "victims." This gives them immunity from criticism. It makes people feel more favourable to them and more willing to accede to their direction and influence. (The same strategy is used with homosexuals and feminists, the other out-groups used by the elite to subvert society.)

The Holocaust is also a defining event for Jews. Jewish power brokers use victim status to manipulate Jews and extract their donations. Victimhood turns Jews into moral zombies. For most of my life I didn't give two cents for the right of Palestinians to their homes. "We suffered, we deserve a homeland," the logic went.

The Holocaust also serves their New World Order agenda. It is a constant reminder of the pitfalls of nationalism or racial consciousness, two things the financial elite is trying to bury, with the exception of Israel.

"ALSO RAN" HOLOCAUSTS

To maintain victim priority, it's necessary for the Jewish establishment to practise "holocaust denial" when it comes to other people.

In his book "Crimes and Mercies" (1997) James Bacque describes how he confronted New York Times reporter Drew Middleton with evidence that after the war, the US starved to death over one million German POWs. "What Middleton told me basically was that, yes, he had lied in 1945 and no, it did not matter to him or the New York Times if I exposed this." (183)

"Middleton's sense of security, his sense of the New York Times' power, took my breath away", Bacque writes. "But worse than that, Middleton did not care about this atrocity... the New York Times witnessed it, then denied that it happened. And has gone on denying it into the 1990's." (184)

Bacque estimates that, during the Allied Occupation (1946-1950) an additional eight to twelve million Germans were deliberately starved to death. The war did not end in 1945. For five additional years, Germany was subjected "physical and psychic trauma unparalleled in history." (93)

Red Army soldiers raped up to two million German women during the last six months of the Second World War, around 100,000 of them in Berlin. They also raped Russian women released from German labour camps. We live in a feminist era. Have you seen any movies about these women?

At Potsdam, the Allies ratified the 1939 Soviet-Nazi Pact that gave USSR half of Poland. Poland was compensated with the eastern quarter of Germany, in effect another gift to the Russian empire. This required the expulsion of about 12 million Germans, the largest forced migration in history.

Jews were prominent in the Polish Communist regime. In a stunning reversal of roles, Jewish policemen ordered Germans out of their homes and into cattle cars. In his book, "An Eye for An Eye" Jewish writer John Sack relates that about 1.5 million of these Germans died in the removal. He quotes a German woman from Gleiwitz: "What happened to the Jews was sad. But there was another Holocaust too." (138)

According to Sacks, Jewish Communists extracted another cruel revenge. They filled 1250 Nazi concentration and labour camps and brutally tortured and murdered tens of thousands of Germans. (101 ff.)

Have you seen a movie where concentration camp guards and commandants were Jews? Since 1948, the American Jewish Committee and the Anti Defamation League have censored all Hollywood scripts involving Jews. Since these bodies are extensions of Jewish finance, what other topics have they censored? (Gabler, An Empire of the Own: How Jews Invented Hollywood 1988,p.303)

In his book, "Victims of Yalta", Nicholai Tolstoy documents "Operation Keelhaul," the Allies' forced repatriation of two million Russians who were German slave labourers, prisoners of wars, or soldiers. These people were sent to the Gulag and liquidated. Where is the museum dedicated to them?

The mass media is unusually coy when it comes to reporting Communist atrocities. Nine million people died in the Russian Civil War (1917-1922). The Communists targeted czarist society and Christians in particular. Stalin's purges and famines accounted for 20 million more deaths. In China, Mao ZeDong is blamed for 60 million. More recently, let's not forgot Tibet, Cambodia and Rwanda. see Inventory of Twentieth Century Barbarism.

In The Holocaust Industry (2000) Norman Finkelstein describes how Israel helped its ally Turkey deny the massacre of one million Armenians in 1915. "Acting at Israel's behest, the US Holocaust Council practically eliminated mention of the Armenians in the Washington Holocaust Memorial Museum, and Jewish lobbyists in Congress blocked a day of remembrance for the Armenian genocide." (p.69)

CONCLUSION

Jewish organizations dishonor Holocaust victims by using them for political purposes. It is tasteless to cast Jews as the world's premier victims. Humanity is one family and no genocide is more important than another.

To use "hate" to disarm opposition to the Zionist agenda is also repugnant. It leads to tyranny and more anti Semitism.

For Ernst Zundel to deny or understate the Jewish Holocaust is grotesque. But it is not a crime. In these questions, only the truth matters. Let the truth speak for itself. Let Zundel be judged by it.

Let me close with an anecdote. In 1961 when I was 11, my family was travelling in Germany. We stopped at tavern-restaurant where some workingmen were having a loud conversation. They looked at us (a couple with three young children) and said, "We'd better shut up. There may be Jews present."

My family felt threatened. We ate and quickly left. But I realise now those workmen might have been afraid of us. Germany had just endured a gruelling occupation.

Hate is born out of fear. Let us expose the forces that make us fear each other for no reason.

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Bill Maher is a douche.

Bill Maher is a douche.

Yes, he is.