I don't have any trolls, Anoush. I don't have any droogs either.

The reality or lack of reality of the Armenian Holocaust isn't really the question in this thread. It's about the position of Jews, especially Zionist Jews, on the question. I have documented the fact that the Jews' Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. endorses the Armenian Holocaust claim. Therefore it's really hard to say that Jews in general are opposed to the story.

Mr. know all Hadding

We're not talking about this or that J_w, but in reality about Z_onist, who are in control of J_ws and state of Isra_l.

This is just a show game that Z_onists, (master crafters)likes to play it over and over again, to mislead brainless people in general public.

So wtf if they're displaying some AG articles in their hol_haux museum,that's only a drop of water(truth) from a vast sea(reality), that you're unable to see

And btw this is how they like to play it:
(AG) fact + (JH) lie = confusion :cheers:

But the sad thing is that the weakened morons are believing it

Mr. know all Hadding

We're not talking about this or that J_w, but in reality about Z_onist, who are in control of J_ws and state of Isra_l.

This is just a show game that Z_onists, (master crafters)likes to play it over and over again, to mislead brainless people in general public.

So wtf if they're displaying some AG articles in their hol_haux museum,that's only a drop of water(truth) from a vast sea(reality), that you're unable to see

And btw this is how they like to play it:
(AG) fact + (JH) lie = confusion :cheers:

But the sad thing is that the weakened morons are believing it

Apparently you are accepting my point, that Zionist Jews endorse and make use of the alleged Armenian Holocaust, as for example at the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

Thankyou!

Apparently you are accepting my point, that Zionist Jews endorse and make use of the alleged Armenian Holocaust, as for example at the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

Thankyou!

Is that what i said

I explained to you about AG as being a fact and JH as a lie and combination of it being confusing (but fact is a fact)yet you steel running arout your tail on fire and screaming /like you seeeee...... I told you guys about....so called...alleged...exploited...exaggerated...Armenian genocide.

another denialistic move from you Hadding,exactly like a J_w

Are you on drugs?

My journey end here.I have nothing more to say to a robot

Go on Hadding post your next massage and leave it attached there as a final victorious banner

Who gives a sht anyway............ :cheers:

But be ready to get humiliated from another more intelligent and informative Armenians or posters around here if they're willing to answear you stupid comments.

Good luck once more

Is that what i said

It is exactly what you said. You said that the Jews use the Armenian genocide claim to support their Holohoax: "So wtf if they're displaying some AG articles in their hol_haux museum,that's only a drop of water(truth) from a vast sea(reality), that you're unable to see.... And btw this is how they like to play it: (AG) fact + (JH) lie = confusion." I.e. they are using the Armenian Genocide claim (which you think is "fact") to support their "lie." That is the whole point that I was making.

I explained to you about AG as being a fact and JH as a lie and combination of it being confusing (but fact is a fact)yet you steel running arout your tail on fire and screaming /like you seeeee...... I told you guys about....so called...alleged...exploited...exaggerated...Armenian genocide.

another denialistic move from you Hadding,exactly like a J_w

Are you on drugs?

My journey end here.I have nothing more to say to a robot

Go on Hadding post your next massage and leave it attached there as a final victorious banner ]
I think I pointed out that this thread is not about whether the Armenian Holocaust happened.... It's not a point that I care to argue, in part because, as you say, "Who gives a sht anyway."

My interest here was to oppose reckless distortion, not in the particular case but as a general tendency. The topic of the distortion here happened to be the attitude of Zionist Jews toward the Armenian genocide claim.

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Are you on drugs?

No, he is not on drugs, he is under the influence of Turks.

Like I have said before:

This idiot in question has a severe fetish with belittling and undermining the Armenian Genocide. Therefore, he is either a Turk, a moron married to a Turk, or, he is simply getting rammed by one.

Either way, his anti-Armenian rhetoric and his fetish towards the Armenian Genocide is typical of those who work for the Turkish government. And the funniest part is that he is considered to be the "historian" of this discussion forum, according to a non-Nordic Europid moderator with a Greek name.

I guess this says a lot about the calibre of the membership here.

No, he is not on drugs, he is under the influence of Turks.

Yes it was Turks who made me quote the President of Armenia. Probably it was Turks who made him speak at the Holohoax Museum in 1999 too.

Jews are denying/hiding their role in the Armenian Holocaust, just as they deny/hide their role in the German Holocaust and the Russian-Ukrainian Holocaust.

That' so true and we've got to admit they are damm good at it. I mean who really knows about the Ukrainian Holocaust and was it Lazaar Kaganovich who headed the Chekka who oversaw the mass starvation of what, up to 6 Million Ukrainians in 1932 to 1934?

I spoke on the phone with my 85 year old Mother this morning. Back in 1932 she was a girl of 12 living with her 4 sisters and her Mother and Father on their quite large Farm in Ukraine. In 1932 her father singled her out alone among his five daughters and sent her to live in Kiev.

With of all people a JEWISH family.

Her father could see what was coming, he was a community leader and knew the jews had plans for the Kulak Ukrainians. I think he singled out my mom because she has always had a feisty nature and might have insulted the Chekka as they came to search for hoarded food.

Who but an Ukrainian knows that people like my maternal grandparents had buried their grain inside the coffins of long dead relatives hoping this would be a place unlikely to be searched so they would not starve after the jewish commisars came around, shooting any men on a farm where 'hoarded' food was discovered?

It's your farm, you inherited it from your parents, you grow food on it and NKVD jews come around to KILL you if you've kept some so your family won't starve in winter?

Who wouldn't put up a fight?

My Ukrainian Mother joined the German Army the day they came to the Ukraine in 1941. Her father assisted the Germans in every possible way during the years of their liberation from communism. Mother married a German Wehrmacht Leutnant and as war turned against them fled to Germany and freedom in the west.

At least 6 Million Ukrainians were cruelly starved by their communist/judaic overlords.

Meanwhile there is not one shred of evidence that the so-called Jewish holocau$t camps of Treblinca, Belzec and Sobibor even existed! And as David Irving said years ago, 'Battleship Auschwitz is taking water and sinking fast' as the original and mathematically impossible numbers of jewish deaths shrink from 4 Million in 1989 to as few as 30,000 depending on whose Red Cross records you believe.

I think what Hadding is trying to say, is that just because in the past some Turks have hired Jewish lawyers(in this country a lot of Jews are lawyers) does not prove some kind of "campaign" if you will toward this end. Intelligent people will see how flimsy this connection is and then might assume that we had made similar connections on more important historical connections such as between Jews and social radicals or Communism. Thus we should avoid grasping at straws in favor of the more concrete cases.

That does not mean this isn't an important case study. It is worth noting that Jews on the whole are utterly silent about this matter.

His statements about turks hiring some jew lawyers is both false and misleading, because it's not only some jew lawyers who are working with the turks as Hadding pretends and I say pretends because he was already given a major history lesson in this matter which he chooses to ignore and repeat his jewish lies since the cat aka Ann Frankenstein is away. It's the entire jewish lobby in the US and most of the major jewish organizations who are supporting the turkish version of events as Hadding is. The turks and the jews are working hand in hand against the Armenians as they did when the Armenian Genocide was taking place.

We know what Hadding has been trying to say right from the start and he hasn't got a leg to stand on. Ann Frankenstein totally destroyed Hadding on every single point and proved that Hadding was in fact towing the jew line in regards to the Armenian Genocide as Hadding parrots the jewish denials verbatim and it can all be found in this thread.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=25722

That' so true and we've got to admit they are damm good at it. I mean who really knows about the Ukrainian Holocaust and was it Lazaar Kaganovich who headed the Chekka who oversaw the mass starvation of what, up to 6 Million Ukrainians in 1932 to 1934?

I spoke on the phone with my 85 year old Mother this morning. Back in 1932 she was a girl of 12 living with her 4 sisters and her Mother and Father on their quite large Farm in Ukraine. In 1932 her father singled her out alone among his five daughters and sent her to live in Kiev.

With of all people a JEWISH family.

Her father could see what was coming, he was a community leader and knew the jews had plans for the Kulak Ukrainians. I think he singled out my mom because she has always had a feisty nature and might have insulted the Chekka as they came to search for hoarded food.

Who but an Ukrainian knows that people like my maternal grandparents had buried their grain inside the coffins of long dead relatives hoping this would be a place unlikely to be searched so they would not starve after the jewish commisars came around, shooting any men on a farm where 'hoarded' food was discovered?

It's your farm, you inherited it from your parents, you grow food on it and NKVD jews come around to KILL you if you've kept some so your family won't starve in winter?

Who wouldn't put up a fight?

My Ukrainian Mother joined the German Army the day they came to the Ukraine in 1941. Her father assisted the Germans in every possible way during the years of their liberation from communism. Mother married a German Wehrmacht Leutnant and as war turned against them fled to Germany and freedom in the west.

At least 6 Million Ukrainians were cruelly starved by their communist/judaic overlords.

Meanwhile there is not one shred of evidence that the so-called Jewish holocau$t camps of Treblinca, Belzec and Sobibor even existed! And as David Irving said years ago, 'Battleship Auschwitz is taking water and sinking fast' as the original and mathematically impossible numbers of jewish deaths shrink from 4 Million in 1989 to as few as 30,000 depending on whose Red Cross records you believe.

Wow....incredible story. What happened to your Grandfather and the rest of his daughters?.....did they make it through or starve to death?

This is misleading, both the National Vanguard story and your interpretation of it.

You're the one who is trying to mislead everyone, but your work was cut short when Ann Frankenstein showed up and challenged your jewish views on the Armenian Genocide. I have never in my life seem anyone get so humiliated as you did by Ann Frankenstien, who unforetunately for you, happens to be an authority on the subject and made you look like a total fool. You ran and hid in the face of the overwhelming evidence provided by Ann Frankenstein and chose only to reappear and regurgitate the same BS when the coast was clear.

I have not noticed any general Jewish or Zionist expression of interest in minimizing the "Armenian Holocaust."

Pretend, pretend, pretend. There's plenty of evidence posted in that famous thread.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=25722

Which you prefer to ignore and pretend you haven't noticed, but it's all still there in black and white for you to go and take notice.

The fact that the Turks in the US have hired a couple of Jew lawyers to represent them in the matter does not prove any such thing. Even Willis Carto has a Jew lawyer, Mark Lane.

You're lying again! It's much more than "a couple of Jew lawyers" and the aforementioned thread gives a very clear picture to the extent of jews supporting the turks in regards to the Armenian Genocide, which you conviniently ignore then claim, "I hadn't noticed".

In fact the so-called Armenian Holocaust from the start has been an element in Jewish Holohoax propaganda, used to make the Jewish story seem more credible.

From the beginning, really, how so, Hadding? Theodore Herzel was saying that the story of the massacres of Armenians weren't true as far back as 1895, so I would hardly call that "Jewish Holohoax propaganda, used to make the Jewish story seem more credible".

Anyway, how can the "Armenian Holocaust from the start" have "been an element in Jewish Holohoax propaganda", when the Armenian Holocaust took place around the time of WWI and the alleged Jewish Holocaust took place in WWII?

You're a really stupid person Hadding and I wish Ann Frankenstein was here to ream you another one, just like the other one, but then again, you would probably pull another dissapearing act like you did in the other thread, which makes you nothing more than a mouse who likes to play while the cat is away.

From the beginning, really, how so, Hadding? Theodore Herzel was saying that the story of the massacres of Armenians weren't true as far back as 1895, so I would hardly call that "Jewish Holohoax propaganda, used to make the Jewish story seem more credible".

Jewish Holocaust propaganda means propaganda alleging that the Germans intended to kill every Jew in their custody during WWII. Statements made in 1895 have no relation to this whatsoever.

The so-called Armenian Holocaust is supposed to have occurred, roughly, 1915-1919. Statements made in 1895 have no relevance to that either. I did however find this explanation of Herzl's motives circa 1895:

"Through intermediaries, he endeavoured to ingratiate himself with the Sultan of Turkey by activities designed to reduce the agitation by emigre Armenian committees in London and Brussels for Turkish reforms and cessation of oppression [A] and started a press campaign to calm public opinion in London on the Armenian question. But when offered money for Palestine, the Sultan replied that his people had won their Empire with blood, and owned it. 'The Jews may spend their millions. When my Empire is divided, perhaps they will get Palestine for nothing. But only our corpse can be divided. I will never consent to vivisection.'" http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html

The fact that the Turks would not cooperate with the Jews changed the whole Jewish attitude toward the Turkish-Armenian conflict. Whereas Herzl had minimized, the incentive was now to exaggerate. During World War I the Jews procured the Balfour Declaration, which promised Palestine to the Jews upon the defeat of the Central Powers. Zionist Jew Henry Morgenthau, the US ambassador to Turkey, portrayed sufferings of the Christian Armenians at the hands of the barbarous Turks with a book that was part of the barrage of propaganda that led the US into the First World War.

Anyway, how can the "Armenian Holocaust from the start" have "been an element in Jewish Holohoax propaganda", when the Armenian Holocaust took place around the time of WWI and the alleged Jewish Holocaust took place in WWII?

I was referring to the famous fake Hitler quote, "Who remembers the Armenians?" that was published in a British newspaper in 1945.

It is true that the Jews oppose treating the Armenian claim with the same reverence as their own, and it is certainly true that some Jews instigated atrocities against the Armenians even while other Jews used those atrocities as a basis for anti-Turk propaganda. There is no consistent pattern of Zionist Jews denying the Armenian genocide claim. Jews have used the Armenian genocide claim as it suited them, and it seems to suit them primarily as a way of bolstering the credibility of their own story. The US Holocaust Museum and the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Museum of Tolerance both have exhibits about the so-called Armenian Holocaust.

There is a balance that the Jews have to strike in their propaganda]Jewish News Weekly of Northern California:

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010622/etp31aa.shtml

Novel on Armenian genocide belongs on Jewish book shelves

MAREK BREIGER

Bulletin Correspondent

Why should Jews be interested in a novel about the 20th century's first mass murder, the World War I Armenian genocide at the hands of the Turks?

Hitler himself, responding to a question about the world's reaction to his planned genocide of the Jews in 1939, said there would be no outcry

"Who remembers the Armenians?" Hitler replied.

Adam Bagdasarian's novel "Forgotten Fire" is a National Book Award finalist and a strong complement to Holocaust literature. Though it is not a novel of the Shoah, it is an important one for Jewish people to read and discuss.

The author has taken the essence of his great-uncle's experience, for which he had done an oral history, and created a novel that is as disturbing as it is authentic.

Listed as a novel for young adults, one could conceive of a 20th century "Literature of Genocide" class including books such as "Forgotten Fire," along with Elie Wiesel's "Night," "Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl," Iris Chang's "The Rape of Nanking" and Mark Mathabane's "Kaffir Boy." Such a class might allow students to see the commonalities of the Jewish, Armenian, Chinese and African victims of mass murder.

For the Jewish audience, understanding and identifying with "Forgotten Fire" will not be difficult. The narrator, 14-year-old Vahan Kenderian, is the lone survivor of a proud Armenian family, and has witnessed murder, torture, rape, the totality of genocide: the precursor of Hitler's madness.

If the world had remembered the experience detailed in "Forgotten Fire," the Shoah might not have happened, just as no genocide would have been possible after World War II -- not in Bosnia, not in Somalia, not in Cambodia -- if the world had truly remembered the loss of the 6 million.

But memory, Bagdasarian shows us, is more than an abstract phrase. Bagdasarian connects memory to the concrete images of the destruction of 1.5 million of his people. Like Wiesel and the hero of Jerzy Kosinski's "The Painted Bird," Bagdasarian's narrator is exposed to the unfathomable: murder, beheadings, rape, torture, desecration of bodies.

In a heart-rending passage, the narrator, who has witnessed his family -- father, mother, grandmother, brothers, sisters -- murdered by the Turks, tries to protect a 10-year-old Armenian girl whom he feeds, comforts and tries to heal:

"I wanted her to know that she was safe, that she was no longer alone, that this was not just the best day of my life but the best day of hers, as well. She had a family now. She had a brother, a father, and a best friend..."

But Vahan cannot protect the child. She is repeatedly raped by Turkish soldiers before she is murdered. Vahan confronts the Turkish leader, Selim Bey, in the hopes Bey will punish the rapists. Bey's response echoes that of every mass murderer of our sad past century:

"What do you care what happens to a little girl you do not know, who is nothing to you? Do you know how many little girls there are in Turkey? Do you care what happens to every one of them -- in all the stables in the world?"

That we do care and we should care is Bagdasarian's message. Early in the last century, before World War II, two other great writers, Isaac Babel, in "The Story of My Dovecote," and William Saroyan, Bagdasarian's older cousin, in "The Death of Children," dramatized a pogrom and genocide.

Following World War II, Wiesel and Primo Levi, Andre Schwartzbart and so many others have written so that never again would any group experience the suffering they had experienced as Jews. Wiesel, particularly, has been tireless in speaking out against mass killing -- from Cambodia to the Indians of Nicaragua.

Bagdasarian joins this company. In writing his people's story, he has spoken for all people victimized by Hitler and other despots. His hero, like Wiesel, recognizes that after such suffering, freedom does not necessarily bring happiness....

Yes it was Turks who made me quote the President of Armenia. Probably it was Turks who made him speak at the Holohoax Museum in 1999 too.

The President of Armenia is a "politician" and you sir are no historian by any stretch of the imagination.

Jewish Holocaust propaganda means propaganda alleging that the Germans intended to kill every Jew in their custody during WWII. Statements made in 1895 have no relation to this whatsoever.

The so-called Armenian Holocaust is supposed to have occurred, roughly, 1915-1919. Statements made in 1895 have no relevance to that either. I did however find this explanation of Herzl's motives circa 1895:

"Through intermediaries, he endeavoured to ingratiate himself with the Sultan of Turkey by activities designed to reduce the agitation by emigre Armenian committees in London and Brussels for Turkish reforms and cessation of oppression [A] and started a press campaign to calm public opinion in London on the Armenian question. But when offered money for Palestine, the Sultan replied that his people had won their Empire with blood, and owned it. 'The Jews may spend their millions. When my Empire is divided, perhaps they will get Palestine for nothing. But only our corpse can be divided. I will never consent to vivisection.'" http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html

Even so, how is it that the jews used the Armenian Holocaust "roughly, 1915-1919" as "Jewish Holocaust propaganda propaganda alleging that the Germans intended to kill every Jew in their custody during WWII." when it hadn't even happened yet.

Zionist Jew Henry Morgenthau, the US ambassador to Turkey, portrayed sufferings of the Christian Armenians at the hands of the barbarous Turks with a book that was part of the barrage of propaganda that led the US into the First World War.

You are mistaken and you seem to have some chronological deficiency as was duly noted in the famous thread.

Morgethau's book was published in 1918.

The US entered the war on April 6, 1917.

So tell us Oh brainy one, how does a book published in 1918 lead the US into the war on April 6, 1917?

Anyway, the US didn't enter the war because of what the barbarous turks did. In an attempt to eliminate the threat of American involvement in Europe, Foreign Minister Alfred Zimmerman attempted to provoke Mexico and Japan into attacking the United States with the promise of German assistance after the European front was conquered. A message containing Zimmerman's intent was decoded by the British and sent to the US, further swaying Americans to action. Due primarily to submarine warfare and the Zimmerman note, President Wilson asked Congress for permission to go to war, and on April 6, 1917, congress officially declared it.

I was referring to the famous fake Hitler quote, "Who remembers the Armenians?" that was published in a British newspaper in 1945.

That famous quote had nothing to do with jews, it was in regards to the Poles. The only thing fake around here is you.

It is true that the Jews oppose treating the Armenian claim with the same reverence as their own, and it is certainly true that some Jews instigated atrocities against the Armenians even while other Jews used those atrocities as a basis for anti-Turk propaganda.

You seem to forget that Morgethau's book was actually intended to implicate Germany and was not specifically anti-turkish, but since it would have been impossible to omit the turks completely, the next best thing was to let them share the blame.

There is no consistent pattern of Zionist Jews denying the Armenian genocide claim.

There is absolutely a consistent pattern and it was clearly pointed out in the famous thread. It started with Herzel and it continues to this very day.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=25722

Do yourself a favor and read what Ann Frankenstein posted in that thread before making a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.

I don't have any trolls, Anoush. I don't have any droogs either.

My mistake, I should have said cheerleaders.

The reality or lack of reality of the Armenian Holocaust isn't really the question in this thread.

Then why is it that you never miss an opportunity to say it isn't real? Then you expect no response to your parroting of jew/turk lies and denials?

It's about the position of Jews, especially Zionist Jews, on the question. I have documented the fact that the Jews' Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. endorses the Armenian Holocaust claim.

Ever hear of a game called "Good cop, bad cop"?

Therefore it's really hard to say that Jews in general are opposed to the story.

Not so. It's quite easy to say so, especially when we are able to prove it.

Legislative hurdles expected no matter who controls Congress

By Sharon Samber
WASHINGTON, Oct. 31 (JTA) &#8211]While there is division in the Jewish community over a number of issues, many Jewish groups band together on a range of issues. Jewish organizations feel they were successful in quashing school voucher initiatives a resolution that would have blamed Turkey for its early 20th-century genocide against Armenians and a bill that would have outlawed "partial-birth" abortions.

http://www.jewish.com/jta/

There is absolutely a consistent pattern and it was clearly pointed out in the famous thread. It started with Herzel and it continues to this very day.

Cutiepie:

Herzl was not talking in 1895 about something that supposedly started in 1915.