Lester and "Bud" Antle both worked hard in other lettuce packing sheds as
packers and trimmers before they opened Bud Antle in 1942.

Anyone notice anything strange about the above pic?

Ummmm, lemme see ..................... yeah ...some are wearing hats .

Do I get a prize ?

Yeah , you're not suppose to be able to do simple math ! Didn't you go to public school ? And using common sense , how very un-PC of you .
( Geez, you're not a gullible idiot , like 90% of White America. Incidently , Mexican melon graders can make over $24/hr during the season in coastal Calif.)

Hey dude, all the wheat for your bread , pasta and cereal is 'picked' by some "oily machine" , it's called a combine ! ( you are so right, we could mechanize all this stoop labor and have cheaper food and better educated kids ( we'll need smart engineers )).

Did you know that the united farm workers had the budget for UC Davis agricultural engineering school cut ! Farm workers don't want those bright white boys building the machines that give us better food . The modern tomato picker has put lots of greazers out of work , the machines are very fast and productive . ( these lousy cheap farmers just don't want to make any capital investments, when they can get cheap brown labor ).

You proved my point exactly, Molecular. The point most peolpe don't see is that juan comes up from meheeco, works cheap, but juanita pops out a youngin, and we taxpayers.

Pay to birth it, then educate it, then when its old enough. House it in prison. This is all done by getting cheap labor.Health care is also paid for by us, so its become way too, expensive.

Why don't other people understand this shit?

The thinking is all wrong here. We need some good White engineers to build, and design, more efficient picking equipment.

Did you know this was one of Enoch Powell's points?

He told everyone that in advanced economies, you increase capital investment and retrain your workers. You do NOT import peasants.

As we all know, Enoch was called a racist for stating the obvious. (Which we also all know is how it usually works.)

White people have an inate genius for organizing work, breaking it down to components that make jobs effective and productive. Natural Aryan creativity would have made the fields twice as productive as they are had anyone thought of it.

Making autoworking productive created millions of middle class Americans by 1950. Most of the good ideas came from the white workers themselves. A quarter century later a lot of these plants were half-nonwhite, sometimes more. That's when productivity started going down the toilet.

The question here is does agribusiness want the sort of revolutionary productivity white workers got for Henry Ford in the first half of the 20th century. My bet is no. So Americans will remain unwanted in the the lettuce biz, and all the rest for that matter.

I've often thought we could build robots to pick produce. The technology for this probably already exists. PM me if you know anything about robots.
:cheers:

This bullshit argument that we'll be paying astronomical prices for food without cheap immigrant labor should not fool anyone with a working brain, and yet such is the power of mass media constantly repeating this lie, that most people believe it.

Ask yourself this question: did the price of vegetables go down when farmers started using illegal migrant labor? Answer: no. Did the price of meat go down when slaughterhouses, chicken processing plants, etc., replaced their American labor with cheap illegals? Answer: no.

The money "saved" by hiring illegals goes into the pockets of the private interests; it is not passed on to the consumers, and even if it were, it would not result in large changes in prices; the food producers make large amounts of money by small cuts in their costs per unit, not by huge cuts in costs per unit, which is economically impossible for them. The fact that this "argument" flies at all and is repeated in public with a straight face, proves just how illiterate the general public is on economic issues (as they are on most other issues not having to do with sports, movies, TV, or other entertainment).

So labor saving devices are never developed in the USA, because cheap labor is easier, short term, than capital investments in new technology. This is typical short term thinking that has plagued American capitalism for the past half century. These assholes give us a worse product, pocket the savings for themselves, pass on the social costs to the rest of us (higher crime, medical, educational, social welfare costs), and then insult us by calling us lazy and racist because we don't want to pick lettuce at starvation wages.

Obviously something went wrong with America when we stopped lynching people or engaging in the occasional revolution. The arrogance of the ruling classes is beyond belief. They need to be taught a lesson they will never forget.

Look at Japan: they are smart. They don't import cheap labor; they invest in new technology. And in spite of a slowdown due to their aging population (which we are also shortly to start feeling the affects of as Baby Boomers start to retire), Japan's economy is doing just fine, all without the problems associated with importing cheap labor.

Economic forces work just fine if you don't import cheap labor to skew the economy in favor of low tech solutions; if the wages really are too high, labor saving devices become more economical. Consider building contractors who hire illegals: what motivation do they have to invest in new technology? None. They will argue that you can't develop a machine to replace a roofer or reduce the numbers of laborers required to reroof a house, for instance.

Well, how do they know that? All kinds of labor saving devices have been developed that make laborers more productive: nail guns, for instance. If labor was really dirt cheap and always had been, what motivation would there have been to develop nail guns? Hammers and slave labor are cheaper than investing in the production capital necessary to invent and produce nail guns.

Or consider vinyl siding: much cheaper and longer lasting than the old wooden shingle siding. It can be put up quickly and easily by fewer workers, and lasts practically forever.

Why is there no roofing equivalent? Why can't someone develop new kinds of roofs that can be put up quickly by a minimum number of workers, which will last virtually as long as the house lasts? Why do we have to stick with this archaic, labor intensive, roof shingle low tech solution, which wears out quickly and has to be replaced every twenty years or so?

In the long term, new technology is cheaper than the older labor intensive solutions. But importing cheap labor retards the natural economic process of capital improvements; it's falsely called "free markets" by the open borders crowd, but what it really is, is the employers sticking their thumbs on the scales of the economic system to skew the "free market" and produce results that favor themselves alone and screw everyone else.

We need more economic literacy in this country: and that doesn't just mean fighting ignorance of the common people, but also the deliberately deceptive and lying cant and misinformation of the "open borders"/neo-liberal/"free market"/liberatarian/anarcho-capitalist crowd and the NWO elites who pull their strings.

Okay, without cheaper illegal immigrant farm labor, the price of "lettuce" and other agricultural products would go up a bunch.

But consider this: Illegal immigrants cost every American taxpayer about $1,000 a year (welfare, health care, public schooling, vandalism, crime, torching the forests for spite, etc. etc. etc, so forth and so on).

The $1,000 saved by not having to support illegal immigrants and their associated spiteful, hateful, racist activities would buy a lot of lettuce. Eh?

Several years ago I read a theory that the ready availability of cheap labor, slavery, was the very thing that kept mechanical/technological innovation in the ancient world to a minimum. Principles were discovered, inventions were made, but the practicle application was staunched by mass slavery.

Japan invents robots to care for the infirm, while we hire a mud for low wages. One depends on innovation and creativity, the other on grunts.

We won't win like this.

I think the whole industrial agriculture system is the problem. It requires ten calories of fossil fuels to make one calorie of food, on average, using Industrial Agriculture. See here:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100303_eating_oil.html

There is a misconception out there that backyard gardening is tedious. It's not. Soil organisms and the sun do most of the work for you. The old conventional way of gardening was indeed unnecessarily labor and even fossil fuel intensive. You don't have to till every year. Prepare a raised bed once, which is admittedly a lot of work, but after that maintenance is very low.

With a deep raised bed, the soil is so loose the weeds come out effortlessly. Food plants are spaced close together so once they mature they crowd out any space for weeds.

I first got into gardening precisely because of the whole "we are dependent on Mexicans" line of crap. I wanted to prove firsthand this is wrong. And I'm about there -- this year I should have a year round independent food supply. I got 300 garlics in the ground from last fall. I will plant about 500 onion sets and 300 pounds of potatoes.

As for lettuce year round, we will do without until we get a greenhouse. Instead we'll do canning and freezing. Lettuce doesn't have many vitamins anyway. I'm going to blanch/freeze spinach for winter consumption.

However, in my area, I'm still "an army of one," unfortunately. I went to a public event that had the hippie crunchy "local agriculture" anti-GMO crowd, and offered pamphlets to people in my area offering to contact me so I could show them where to get locally produced food from local hobby farmers, including raw milk, animals for sale that can go to a local slaughterhouse for custom butchering, etc. I offered quite a range of services. Moreover, there was a lot of talk about peak oil and mass starvation. I handed out about 8 pamphlets but got no response.

So I guess they are all happy with the current situation.

I first got into gardening precisely because of the whole "we are dependent on Mexicans" line of crap. I wanted to prove firsthand this is wrong. And I'm about there -- this year I should have a year round independent food supply. I got 300 garlics in the ground from last fall. I will plant about 500 onion sets and 300 pounds of potatoes.

There is nothing like the satisfaction of eating a meal prepared from produce that you
grew and harvested yourself. Even here in the suburbs, I and several in the neighborhood
have our little plots, each specializing in their own interests. It's become somewhat of
an accidental co-op, where we distribute extra yield to each other. So one person grows
tomatoes, another cabbage, yet another has a great assortment of herbs, etc. It's very
unorganized, and not much more than a hobby, but it proves that it can be done. If need
be, one never NEEDS to buy their food again.

To Kievsky,

How do you combat pests?

About 20 years ago I planted a tomatoe vine. It was exciting to check it each day after work and see my home-grown tomoatoes growing. Then, one morning before I had picked a single tomatoe, I saw that ONE catepillar had taken a small bite out of each and every single tomatoe on that vine. Of course I squished that blasted catepillar to smithereens right on the spot.

That was the last time i tried my hand at grwoing anything on my own.

I have about 1/4 acre that could be put into some kind of gardening - how would I keep the doggone psets away? My father-in-law (a cotten farmer, now deceased) told me had hated it, but, each year he had to bring in the dusters or loose his entire yield to the bowl worm.

What is your method?

It isn't simply the agriculture industry that is suffering from the brown hordes coming here but many others as well. A favorite of mine to point out is construction. A White man used to be able to make a good living and support a family doing construction but this is also coming to pass. Private contractors are snatching up border jumpers for a cheap labor pool paying them in many cases about half of what they would have to pay a U.S. Citizen. They also are usually unreported wages and are not taxed at all, thus increasing the tax burden on all of us.
For example, hospitals generally rely on a high amount of tax dollars coming in from many different sources, (medicaid, etc.) to keep running. A hospital is prohibited from turning away anybody seeking aid there. Usually they are reimbursed for providing this aid by some source, but not when dealing with illegals. If you think about it, the amount of money needed to keep a modern hospital running is pretty high just because medical care in general can be costly. Most try to keep costs as low as possible but this simply isn't going to happen. Bottom line, hospitals cost quite a bit to keep in operation and in my opinion it is money well spent as they provide invaluable service to a community. Problems is I hear stories of hospitals in the SouthWest who are going bankrupt and having to cut down on services or shut down completely because they are having to treat all of these wetbacks for free. For a hospital to be losing that much money is nearly unbelievable because funding them is such a high priority, (and rightly so) so you've got to look at this as an example of just how many turd worlders are flooding into America.
This is never going to stop until we take action and make such an issue of this that our crooked politicians and scumbag big business leaders know that they are being held accountable for this and will answer to the White Citizens they have been screwing over for years.
Sorry to rant but the border situation is one of the issues which pisses me off the most.

14/88

To Kievsky,

How do you combat pests?

About 20 years ago I planted a tomatoe vine. It was exciting to check it each day after work and see my home-grown tomoatoes growing. Then, one morning before I had picked a single tomatoe, I saw that ONE catepillar had taken a small bite out of each and every single tomatoe on that vine. Of course I squished that blasted catepillar to smithereens right on the spot.

That was the last time i tried my hand at grwoing anything on my own.

I have about 1/4 acre that could be put into some kind of gardening - how would I keep the doggone psets away? My father-in-law (a cotten farmer, now deceased) told me had hated it, but, each year he had to bring in the dusters or loose his entire yield to the bowl worm.

What is your method?

Is cotton a member of the nightshade family like potatoes and tomatoes? I think it is. My theory is that the cotton monoculture developed a tremendous colony of nightshade specific pests, which then got your tomato plant.

Monocultures are unnatural, and even worse, they were probably using broad spectrum pesticides that killed the natural predators of the pests, as well as the pests themselves.

Give a call or a visit to the local "Extension," basically the local government office that advises farmers and gardeners and tests soils, etc. See if this theory is correct. And get a list of things that you basically do not want to grow -- i.e. eggplants, tomatoes, potatoes.

I think it would be better for you to grow other things that aren't susceptible to nightshade pests, than to use pesticides. Then again the pest might be a kind that eats anything.

Find out if it is a flying or a crawling pest. If it is a crawling pest, you might be able to dig a shallow ditch around your garden, and put sheet plastic in the ditch. The crawling pest will fall in and it won't be able to crawl out.

Ask the extension person if this pest is attracted by the smell of the tomatoes. If so, then you can make a "scent camouflage" by planting really stinky stuff like onions, garlic, and marigolds, basil, and rosemary interspersed with your tomatoes.

Whenever you see a pest, catch it and put it in a baggy to show to the Extension person, or do a google search on pictures of common garden pests. Identification is the first step.

The little bag of tricks I told you is just a small part of what's called "Integrated Pest Management," and if you google that phrase you'll find lots of info.

The best pest management is frequent visits to the garden and picking them off by hand and dropping them in a bowl of water with a little bit of detergent for hand cleaning dishes (not dish machine soap). The dish soap breaks up the surface tension of the water so the bugs can't swim out. I picked squash bugs off my squash (they didn't touch the cukes or melons) lots of Colorado potato beetles off, you guessed it, the potatoes (be sure to look for the eggs on the undersides of the potato plant leaves too). The potato bugs actually see you and run away! Smart little critters.

OK, I admit it. I used rotenone on the potatoes a couple times last year when I had an awful infestation of Colorado potato beetles. It breaks down in 3 days. If you are near a water supply or a body of water, don't use it, it will kill fish.

This year I'm going to grow beans next to the potatoes, because supposedly the beans keep the Colorado potato beetles away, and the potatoes keep away the Mexican bean beetles away. And growing your own garden keeps the Mexican beaners away, too :cheers:

White Americans need to reconnect with their land. Having a Mexican mow your lawn is just wrong on so many levels. First of all, hiring the Mexican. If you are going to have a lawn, you should at least do it yourself or hire a local White kid. But let me tell you about the cultural history of the lawn. It is an invention of the traitorous British upper class, that same upper class that is real tight with Rothschild, and that helped murder Germany not once but twice. And that is working with Rothschild to enforce a "National Bank" (the Federal Reserve) that our earlier presidents, especially Andrew Jackson, fought so hard to prevent.

The British upper class invented the lawn as a sign of conspicuous consumption. Using your land (especially the limited real estate of the British Isles) for lawns is a statement that you don't need to use it to grow food. Instead you play croquet or cricket or rugby while those stupid peasants toil out of sight. They enjoyed their lawns while the Irish starved to death in the famine of the 1840's.

Do I have a lawn? No. My front yard is a work in progress, but it's design is berry bushes, perennial and annual flowers, and the spaces in between will be White clover - the kind you get seed for cover cropping and pasturing and haying that grows high. I will cut the White clover down when it flowers and dry it and feed it to my rabbits.

So Americans, many of them Irish, are mindless aping the British half jew aristocracy by having lawns. They have this symbol of conspicuous consumption even while losing their jobs to Jose and Pedro and getting their house foreclosed. It's completely mindless.

Ornamental turf, aka lawns, are the biggest crop in the USA in square footage. Now just imagine if a "foodnotlawns" movement caught on in this country, as a retaliation against the Mexinvasion. And every property owner that converted their property to food gardens called their Congress swine and said, "I grow my own food, stop the subsidies to agribusiness" and ending agribusiness subsidies became a mass movement. That would kill the bastards. They take 19 billion in direct subsidies, and much much more in indirect subsidies in the form of subsidized fossil fuels. Agribusiness corrupted the government, stole the taxpayers money, and used it to destroy small family farms. This is a RICO case if there ever was one.

And now they grow GMO corn and GMO canola. That GMO (genetically modified) pollinates a neighboring natural corn or canola field. The farmer growing the natural crop can no longer sell his crop to Europe or Japan, or even many African countries, which do not accept GMO Frankenfoods. Then Monsanto sues the natural farmer for "stealing" their GMO patent! The farmer didn't want his corn to be pollinated with Freak food in the first place! He just lost his livelihood, and the company that destroyed his livelihood turns around and sues him for "patent infringement!" It's too outrageous to be believed, it hurts the mind to think such things go on, but this is a 100% true story -- happened to a canola farmer in Canada.

Agribusiness is a modern Dracula, but Bram Stoker's Dracula was a saint by comparison.

Agribusiness wants to control the global food supply with terminator seeds and "genetically modified" junkie crops that will die if they aren't dosed with special chemicals. They want to make every producer of food their techno-slave. There isn't even any decent justification for what they are doing. They say things like, "we are scientists working hard to solve world hunger," but they can't, and won't debate the opposition. Sound familiar?

Agribusiness is maneuvering itself towards a position where it can say, "Go along with us, or you'll all starve to death." I'm not joking.

This is every bit as serious as our race problem. In fact, it is a race problem. Agribusiness wants to pollute and take control of the gene pool of food plants, starting with staple crops.

And it's no accident that there is an "heirloom seed" trade among White nationalists, at least here in the Northeast. Within another year or so there will be a White nationalist heirloom seed dealer appearing, and it isn't I who will be doing this, though I am his first customer. He needs to build up his stock, and then he will take it commercial.

It's all of a piece, people. All these problems are related -- race, Mexicans, Frankenfood. What action can you take to attack the root of the problem? I think this is it.

I've gotten better response from White nationalists than from hippie crunchies, even though the patchouli stinkers get more exposure to these issues. They talk among themselves "how bad it all is" but then don't do anything about it, unless of course a non-profit foundation gives them a job doing it.

That's what I've noticed. White nationalists actually do politics on a volunteer basis! The leftists that oppose us like Tim Wise and Morris Dees and that fruit boy from Minnesota, Gorski http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=148

Even Dawil Jenkins from one pippils project is funded via some communist organization, the "Brucher Fund" or something.

I got involved with a New England offshoot of "Earth First!" back in 1999 and tried to get them to start a CSA farm. They even had a landowner among them. Heaven forbid. It's more fun to beat on bongo drums and make puppets and banners and blame everything on evil White people! Tried again recently -- same deal. They are as lazy as the niggers they worship.

On the other hand, at least a certain percentage of our people -- White nationalists, actually do things!. Which is why I am still involved. There are a lot of good and diligent and honorable people among us.

the traitorous British upper class, that same upper class that is real tight with Rothschild, and that helped murder Germany not once but twice.

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the Royal Family of Britain actually Germans?

Now just imagine if a "foodnotlawns" movement caught on in this country, as a retaliation against the Mexinvasion. And every property owner that converted their property to food gardens called their Congress swine

The Mexiscum are waaaay ahead of you. In South Central L.A. they have planted Corn Rows in their front yards you can plainly see, they have commandeered empty lots of Arson razed buildings, and have planted them with crops tended by peasant squaters from mexico. This has been featured on the local news every 3 months or so when they try to run them off the land, the commies come out and raise a ruckus defending these illegal squatting trespassers inside of a once modern city.

Okay, without cheaper illegal immigrant farm labor, the price of "lettuce" and other agricultural products would go up a bunch.

Is a nickel a "bunch" to anyone?

Read the first post of this thread.

Physical Reality . . . and you

I learned about Peak Oil a couple of years ago. Links will be provided below, but the executive summary is that when the global oil supply is half depleted, we will no longer have the cheap oil that keeps our civilization running.

The scariest thing about Peak Oil is that it will lead to Peak Food. No more Cheap Oil = No More Cheap Food.

Wendell Berry, a poet and old fashioned Kentucky farmer, at a symposium called “Fast Food World”[1] said something along the lines of Industrial Farming now feeds a global population of 7 billion people.

However, Industrial Farming rests on a shaky tripod of Water, Soil, and Oil. If any of these legs breaks, Industrial Farming breaks.

Industrial Farming requires much more water than Natural Farming. It’s not just to “water the plants.” Industrial Farming require water to dissolve the chemical fertilizers. It’s like when you are more thirsty after eating a bag of Doritos than a salad. Pumping this extra water to the fields requires extra fuel of course, and one drought can ruin our whole year. Here are some quotes about the global water crisis and agriculture:

“In 1995, World Bank vice president Ismail Serageldin predicted an acute water shortage for the new millennium: "If the wars of this century were fought over oil, the wars of the next century will be fought over water."

“While the world’s population has tripled, water demand has sextupled”
“Now 65 percent of the world's fresh water flows into industrialized agriculture, which requires huge irrigation projects.”[2]

So what we have is a situation where Industrial Agriculture is hogging the world’s potable water – 65% of it! Your garden out back, or the local CSA farm certainly isn’t doing this. If you grow and/or buy locally, you are already doing some small part to conserve the world’s potable water.
Soil erosion. Fifty years ago, the American Midwest had an average of 12 feet of topsoil. [3] Now there is six feet, and more is eroded every year. If we don’t run out of water or oil first, then soil erosion will finish the job. Another quote about soil, or “land.”

Land: On-going soil erosion and expanding urbanization contribute to the continuous loss of cropland in the U.S. Annually, more than two million acres of prime cropland are lost to erosion, salinization, and waterlogging. In addition, more than one million acres are removed from cultivation as America's limited arable land is Overwhelmed by the demands of urbanization, transportation networks, and industry. As a result of arable land shortages, U.S. meat consumption may be reduced. [4]

Again, supporting local agriculture and/or growing your own garden will go a long way towards abating this problem. Industrial Agriculture is one Big Bad Guy among a few others causing a lot of the soil contamination and erosion, and the less food you buy at the supermarket, the better.

Oil. On average, the food from the supermarket required 10 calories of oil for every one calorie of food, and this doesn’t even include transportation. When you think about it, isn’t it crazy and stupid to be trucking in potatoes from Idaho and tomatoes from California(!) while we build more housing developments in Connecticut? Shouldn’t we be growing our potatoes and tomatoes right here? Of course we should!

Why don’t we do this? Two reasons. First, the people who are making lots of money off this way of doing things go ahead and do it without regard to the consequences. Second, we, that is, you and me, don’t do anything about it.

It’s that simple.

Professor Richard Heinberg of http://www.museletter.com asks the question, “Do the Folks in Charge know what they are doing?” The answer to this rhetorical question is a resounding “No!”

This is a difficult thing to get your mind around. The rulers who are creating the catastrophe don’t care that they are creating a catastrophe, and they don’t care if you die. They have their food supplies and their bunkers, and the hell with you.

You are like the Irish people locked in steerage on the Titanic. The ship is going down, and they aren’t going to let you on their rowboats. It’s up to you to build your own rowboat, in cooperation with your relatives, friends, and neighbors.

There are a few people who dispute Peak Oil based on the “Abiotic Oil” theory. Here is Professor Heinberg’s summary and response to abiotic theory http://www.museletter.com/archive/150b.html

If you follow the Peak Oil debate and discussion, I believe you will conclude, as I have, that Peak Oil is real, and it is upon us or nearly so.
Even if it isn’t, there is every other reason in the world to take up local agriculture. And if it is, then you should support local agriculture like your life depends on it.

Here is the definitive article on the relation of Oil to the Food Supply:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100303_eating_oil.html

Here are some Peak Oil sites.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
http://www.urbansurvival.com
http://www.kunstler.com
http://www.peakoil.com
http://www.deconsumption.typepad.com/

[1] http://www.tucradio.org the program is called “Fast Food World” with Eric Schlosser, author of “Fast Food Nation” Vandana Shiva, Wendell Berry, and Michael Pollin
[2] http://www.hermes-press.com/water.htm
[3] http://www.tucradio.org the program is called “Fast Food World” with Eric Schlosser, author of “Fast Food Nation” Vandana Shiva, Wendell Berry, and Michael Pollin
[4] http://www.dieoff.com/page40.htm