Regarding this slap in the face that is the jew-produced-nigger-on-human-porn-on-the-front-page bullshit, I must register my concerns that this is but the beginning of a downward slide for VNN. The vast majority of substantial members/contributors here are in hearty agreement that this was unwise, yet our would-be leader has chosen to tell us to go fuck ourselves. Meanwhile, some audacious newbie Rasputin-figure called "Geoff Beck" seems to be calling the shots and wishes for those who disagree to "go away." I am afraid that a year from now, VNN will no longer resemble what we came to love and be proud of, so I would like all to know that while I may continue to post here from time to time for the purpose of networking with my comrades, I will likely be very scarce around here indeed. I see no point investing more time, energy, and money in something that appears to be being purposely tanked by the owner. I'll take my cue from Alex, who no longer "has time" for TAA, and refocus my efforts locally and on my family and business. To the assholes, I say "goodbye." To my comrades, I'll see you around.

To my comrades, I'll see you around.

John,

VNN is not made up of Linder alone. I'm sticking around cuz there are people here who I can network with to do positive things. Even Linder can be used but to say just cuz we disagree and throw it away is wrong. We don't need to have approval of VNN to use the forum to network about something not related to VNN.

John,

VNN is not made up of Linder alone. I'm sticking around cuz there are people here who I can network with to do positive things. Even Linder can be used but to say just cuz we disagree and throw it away is wrong. We don't need to have approval of VNN to use the forum to network about something not related to VNN.

This is true, but I wanted it to be abundantly clear, that whatever this "New VNN" is, I am not a part of it. Like the "New NA," itz, as far as I can tell.

[In case anything was unclear with respect to the "NEW" VNN, here are Alex's remarks from the VNN comments page http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=444#comments ]

# alex Says:
The 12th of April, 2006 at 9:09 am

First, I didn’t make the graphic. Second, I approve. It’s effective. My only disagreement is that the SOD belongs in the center square. Could even be dressed up as though the whole image were on the hairy chest of Ron Jeremy, with SOD on a chain. [WHAT??]

You don’t like the graphic, that’s fine. The sites these graphics are drawn from are in the top couple thousand on the Internet. You don’t want your kids to see them? Check your browser history, they probably already have. [Really? Let's hope they haven't, okay Alex?]

This is just another area where the christians and conservatives complain about cultural degradation without putting a name and face to it. We aren’t christians and we aren’t conservatives. We put the bald words to the bald pictures and it is effective.

The correct reaction to this picture is that - we should have been posting such long ago. I suggest the makers next combine a photo of fruit-saladheaded soldier with “Who’s your girlfriend fucking while you’re off saving Israel in Iraq?”

These images might cause VNN to be called, with some justification, a porn site. Also, the faceless corpse photo might be called obscene. At least, the white-on-white porn shot could have been omitted. Also the necessary shock photos could have been made smaller. I thought the nigger's dick was a turd until I read the comment of someone who had looked closer.

However the basic concept of black-in-white etc. is sound. Propaganda has to be visceral, gut-level. War is hell. If the propaganda doesn't make you puke it's not strong enough. Jews know this. That's why their propaganda about Hitler is even more pornographic than this montage by Alex Linder. To portray the full measure of Whitey's degradation, it's necessary to show prime white females looking like they enjoy sex with "affirmative action" nonwhite studs. Nothing else is primal enough.

That sort of stuff doesn't really offend me, [no, I don't visit those kind of sites] but I was somewhat suprised to see it here, this is a political site, graphic images like that are not generaly seen on this type of site.

I don't think they should have been put up, there are some people here who are quite conservative, or somewhat religious, & were certainly offended. It makes this a 18+ site, which is not a postivie thing for us either, we need to make our ideas in the fight against the Jew NWO available to younger people.

That sort of stuff doesn't really offend me, [no, I don't visit those kind of sites] but I was somewhat suprised to see it here, this is a political site, graphic images like that are not generaly seen on this type of site.

I don't think they should have been put up, there are some people here who are quite conservative, or somewhat religious, & were certainly offended. It makes this a 18+ site, which is not a postivie thing for us either, we need to make our ideas in the fight against the Jew NWO available to younger people.

Very sane comment and mega dittos!!

How the hell is there gonna be outreach to white youth with this on the mainpage? Does anybody here really want teenagers to see this? It dosn't matter that it's availible... 2 wrongs don't make it right.

Excellent point about 18+, AngryAryan. To avoid losing access to youth, maybe the porn, and the faceless corpse, should be taken down immediately. The porn could be replaced by something "soft core" but with the same message: "The Jew gave your money to the nigger and now the nigger is taking your woman." The corpse could be replaced by photos of White men looking sad because they're crippled now from this Jew war.

I like your NS logo. Heil Hitler!

You mean those adolescents listening to Vaginal Jesus? VNN is not the kind of site I would imagine any parent would want their youngsters viewing. It never was meant to be. It has always been for adults. Should it be kindergarten friendly?

If you want a youth orientated site go build one, but by condemning it to that level you cut out the freedom for adults to talk like adults about adult things.

It really is a nonsensical argument.

I must confess everyone getting all uppity about things but not giving much of a ff about having one of the results of misceganation freely trolling this board makes me scratch my head.

Oh yes I'm just another pervert and unaryan blah, blah, blah... For anyone who wants to call me unaryan I have a simple answer: Fuck You.

You want this to turn into another Stormfarce? Linder gives you alot of leeway for freedom of speech. He does that because he obviously wants the same in return. Do I agree with posting the image? Frankly, I've found the response more enlightening. Do I agree with half of what Linder says or does? Well I have never held my tongue when it came to critizing but it seems you expect something from Linder he isn't nor ever was going to give, and so some of you will jump to something else. Always jumping... and that tells me something too.

Think about that. I don't consider this a betrayal for the simple reason that Linder doesn't hide his policy, which is clear and precise: No jews. Just right.

One can argue tactics, but he has the right attitude when it comes to jews. And anyone who thinks he is peddling smut by those couple of pictures has to be looney. Truely. Thousands of images of that kind are only a few clicks away. Condemn him by all means but in a well thought out cogent rational way. I haven't seen that. I haven't seen a look at the big picture. Just a whole lot of knee jerk reactions.

Linder isn't your leader. He never has been nor ever would be. You have to be your own leader from now on but that requires you to break loose of this herd mentality and start thinking for yourselves instead of jumping from this to that to the other thing. It means forming alliances with other individuals, networking with those of similar interests and having overlap so unity for any one issue or drive can be achieved quickly and efficently.

Just whatever...

John,

VNN is not made up of Linder alone. I'm sticking around cuz there are people here who I can network with to do positive things. Even Linder can be used but to say just cuz we disagree and throw it away is wrong. We don't need to have approval of VNN to use the forum to network about something not related to VNN.

I feel the same way.

VNN/F is a lot bigger than one person.

VNN/F is just a website and forum. It's the activist who post/network here that make it great.

I am eager to get a look at what Will Williams produces as an anti-immigration tabloid for mass distribution. Alex Linder has signed off on letting Will put a paper together, himself, his way. I have always said such a paper should be "stand alone" and not be linked to any website, but I will defer to Will on the matter.

Will says he is up to the task. I, for one, believe him.

Let's see what he can do.

More logical flaws and lack of moderation from the movement:

1. IF WE DON'T POST HARDCORE PORN, WE RISK BECOMING A NEO-CONSERVATIVE SITE LIKE STORMFRONT!

2. KIDS TODAY ARE NIHILISTIC AND HAVE NO VALUES SO SHOWING THEM MORE HARDCORE PORN ISN'T A PROBLEM!!

3. IF YOU EXPRESS NEGATIVITY TO THIS STUNT YOU MUST NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE REALITY!

4. MEXICANS JUST HAD MASSIVE PROTESTS, THE WN MOVEMENT FAILED TO COUNTER IT- ERGO WE MUST POST HARDCORE PORN!

That's the bullshit delivery for the week I guess. Anything, ANYTHING, but a simple "Ok it was a bad idea, my apologies." Never, ever, admit a single mistake in the MOVEMENT!

I never see you ever admitting a fault, so what's your beef Slevvy? I've never met a jew boy more full of himself than you.

I thought teh movement!1 in America was no longer of interest to you since you decided to join battle in the East. What happened? The fact that you handed out a few leaflets not carry much weight over there, so your rabid whining and self-righteous arrogant 'tude bite on them even deeper than it does Whites anywhere else?

Nice selection there by the way. Most excellent decision on what to include and exclude, what to exaggerate and what to ignore. And till you started in on the other thread dealing with this and started pumping out falsehoods like a jew, I had forgotten why I pegged you as one.

Why don't you start forming your own cadre of worshippers and go tell it to the mountain Slevvy? Remember to tone down the jewy froth spitting so some overlap can occur and you become part of the chain.

Except it isn't porn. It is agitprop. It is intended to incite anger, not inflame lust, and that is what it accomplishes.

I never see you ever admitting a fault, so what's your beef Slevvy? I've never met a jew boy more full of himself than you.

Actually you never met me at all]
I thought teh movement!1 in America was no longer of interest to you since you decided to join battle in the East. What happened? The fact that you handed out a few leaflets not carry much weight over there, so your rabid whining and self-righteous arrogant 'tude bite on them even deeper than it does Whites anywhere else?

Nothing "happened", oh "Retarded Warrior of the Keyboard". Do you ever think that I would be so stupid as to think that anyone over here is interested in flyers and protests back in America? Still, that's more physical activity than you have ever done or will do- since you are far more comfortable hiding behind your keyboard and calling people Jew. When are you going to wake up and drink that Drano?

Nice selection there by the way. Most excellent decision on what to include and exclude, what to exaggerate and what to ignore. And till you started in on the other thread dealing with this and started pumping out falsehoods like a jew, I had forgotten why I pegged you as one.

Where are the falsehoods? These are representative of the stated implications made by several people on this forum including yourself.

Why don't you start forming your own cadre of worshippers and go tell it to the mountain Slevvy? Remember to tone down the jewy froth spitting so some overlap can occur and you become part of the chain.

You are going on ignore until such time that you can provide at least ONE, verifiable, physical human being who can prove you have actually been a racialist outside of your own livingroom. I don't care who they are affiliated with- just ONE physical contact. Because without that, what proof is there that you are not a Jew? Or black for that matter? I know that's a touch concept for you given the mental retardation and all.

Except it isn't porn. It is agitprop. It is intended to incite anger, not inflame lust, and that is what it accomplishes.

It incites anger at YOU, apparently from people who formerly supported you. It is pure fantasy to believe that displaying that and saying that Jews are behind it is going to enrage any large number of American whites. If it DID, we would have these problems would we? You are thinking of what offends and angers you personally, and projecting that onto the race at large. It just doesn't work that way.