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Derrick Beukeboom
(@derrick-beukeboom)
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There were some totally justified bans. We had a disruptive annoying punk named Doc Martin for way too long. I believe he inhabits the Phora board now.
A few others who I'm sure deserved it in one form or another since I can't recall their handles.
Some productive members unfortunatly left at their own accord: A.E., Outis, Billy Roper, Doppel (sometimes he pops up here and there).

I can't keep track of who is banned and who just rarely posts anymore since this forum has really changed in the last year or so.
Is J.P. Slav. banned as well?

Sutter was longtime member from the founding days of this forum. I crossed paths with him here and there, but I always thought he was a good bloke. If a bit acerbic.
Then, he realized we have been defeated and silly "activism" of tabloids and such is a complete waste of time and energy. So he got quite unruly with many people. I thought he was a bright WN; sarcastic if you like that sort of humor. Yet he seemed to thrive on cyber flame wars and this became too common place in the last couple of months.
Quite frankly, I don't really care but I always enjoyed the free speech format here. But sometimes we have to control ourselves.
And when we just can't seem to do after many chances...well, then you just vanish.
I liked Sutter; enjoyed some of his thoughts and perspectives. Didn't think he would be banned. With him, itz not so much what he said, but a total inability to really try to get along well with fellow racial comrades. And for this, he devolved into a total malcontent disruptive.
Heart in the right place but just too difficult. Why is it so hard to get along with fellow pro-whites on a GD message board, lol???

I'd rather have Flynn and Outis back then Sutter.
My 2 cents only.


 
Posted : 29/11/2006 7:49 pm
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Posts: 2756
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I'm not sure but I think it was Stan who banned Sutter. Augustus had the temerity to heckle Sir Robin Freeman.

This is exactly the wrong reason to ban someone. I don't know who Robin Freeman is, but even if he's George Washington, it's a lousy reason. What are the consequences of banning Augustus?

-- VNN loses Augustus's wit, entertainment value, insight (although I disagree with him strongly about David Duke), pro-white fiesty spirit. These good qualities, at least in the person of Augustus, are just gone now. Disappeared from VNN. A number of good patriotic White men at VNN sense that loss -- and yet had no say in its happening.

-- A patriotic White man has been punished for speaking his thoughts. This is an injustice and it is anti-White. I'll repeat that. It is anti-White to punish a White man for speaking his mind. There will be a few exceptions to that point, but not many. VNN is now anti-White? Is that what we want. Moreover, VNN is unjust. Is that what we want? VNN stifles freedom of speech. Is that what we want?

-- And from Augustus' point of view, he has lost a medium to speak his mind amongst fellow Whites. This is a personal blow to him. An unjust one.

-- Robin Freeman, whoever he is, doesn't get heckled now -- at least not by Augustus. A minor matter. And maybe Robin Freeman deserved the heckling. Why should VNN care if Robin Freeman gets heckled?

-- A number of people at VNN don't have to put up with Augustus's abrasiveness. Personally, I kind of like his abrasiveness. He has spirit, a quality lacking in lemmings and even many awakened Whites.

I think the downsides of this banning outweigh whatever upside may be -- by a good margin.

I agree that personal flaming on the main forums should be discouraged and minimized. But there are other ways of dealing with this problem. One way is to have a separate flaming forum for personal battles.

Let's learn from this mistake.


 
Posted : 29/11/2006 8:56 pm
(@devere)
Posts: 2756
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There were some totally justified bans. We had a disruptive annoying punk named Doc Martin for way too long. I believe he inhabits the Phora board now.
A few others who I'm sure deserved it in one form or another since I can't recall their handles.
Some productive members unfortunatly left at their own accord: A.E., Outis, Billy Roper, Doppel (sometimes he pops up here and there).

I can't keep track of who is banned and who just rarely posts anymore since this forum has really changed in the last year or so.
Is J.P. Slav. banned as well?

Sutter was longtime member from the founding days of this forum. I crossed paths with him here and there, but I always thought he was a good bloke. If a bit acerbic.
Then, he realized we have been defeated and silly "activism" of tabloids and such is a complete waste of time and energy. So he got quite unruly with many people. I thought he was a bright WN]Disruptiveness is a legitimate reason to ban or, at least, contain someone. But why not get the input of the forum members before going ahead with the ban? Maybe a lot of other people don't feel the same way about him.

As for Flynn and Outis and others. Bring them all back. But, if they're a problem, go through an agreed-upon series of steps to try to get them to modify their behavior. If they refuse to change, then institute the natural consequence.

Basically, I think we need to start over on this banning thing -- after having re-thought the issue carefully. It's too important to be cavalier about it.


 
Posted : 29/11/2006 9:08 pm
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