I could have sworn I saw a long response from Will on this thread that is no longer here

Did I imagine that?

Rave, scream, denouce, demand, rage, cry, whine and cry for your grandma's lost innocence - nothing will change.

Really this whole episode has played itself out. Just accept what happened.

I doubt you've ever heard of the Membership Handbook or even read it much less.

The vets here have and that's what we base our operations on. Unless you operate from that foundation you don't make any sense.

I know I’m Joe nobody here. I don’t have a large post count, I don’t do heavy research to post here, I have not contributed much and I have not distributed large amounts of TAA. I admit that of my own free will.

I do however see many, who I consider the backbone of VNNF, who are upset about this new track VNN is on. This is disturbing to me because VNNF is made by its members. Without our members the articles don’t get posted, insightful responses are not made to the articles, TAA does not get distributed, and new members are not recruited/ woken up.

As I understand it Alex Linder contends that this is a good way to wake people up and bring them in, shock value at its finest. Hold on to your hats, there will be more.

So, I pose these questions.
Where do we go from here?
Do we continue to alienate some of our core members by continuing to post what some are calling porn?
Or dose Alex recant his new line in a push for what he and some others believe is the key to new member growth and the future of VNN?
Will there be a VNNF if some of its core members are gone?
Or will things move on despite missing some of the core?

I don’t know the answers, but I for one am slightly worried about the future of VNNF. Personally I don’t think that VNNF will be the same without some of the members who have left. It might be that the void created will provide the nudge necessary for more quiet members to step it up.

Time will tell.

I could have sworn I saw a long response from Will on this thread that is no longer here

Did I imagine that?

Nope. . . .

I know I’m Joe nobody here. I don’t have a large post count, I don’t do heavy research to post here, I have not contributed much and I have not distributed large amounts of TAA. I admit that of my own free will.

I do however see many, who I consider the backbone of VNNF, who are upset about this new track VNN is on. This is disturbing to me because VNNF is made by its members. Without our members the articles don’t get posted, insightful responses are not made to the articles, TAA does not get distributed, and new members are not recruited/ woken up.

As I understand it Alex Linder contends that this is a good way to wake people up and bring them in, shock value at its finest. Hold on to your hats, there will be more.

So, I pose these questions.
Where do we go from here?
Do we continue to alienate some of our core members by continuing to post what some are calling porn?
Or dose Alex recant his new line in a push for what he and some others believe is the key to new member growth and the future of VNN?
Will there be a VNNF if some of its core members are gone?
Or will things move on despite missing some of the core?

I don’t know the answers, but I for one am slightly worried about the future of VNNF. Personally I don’t think that VNNF will be the same without some of the members who have left. It might be that the void created will provide the nudge necessary for more quiet members to step it up.

Time will tell.

I share your concerns.

Without what few activist we have, VNNF is just Stormfront with cussing.

I hope and trust this issue is resolved quickly.

I could have sworn I saw a long response from Will on this thread that is no longer here

Did I imagine that?

I think Wills been Roehmed. The fix was in when he volunteered to take over TAA.

I've STARRED in worse porn than what that graphic showed.

Oh really? Played catcher with two niggers at once I presume?

VNN was never a refuge from the vileness of the Kwa, an internet forum or message board is not a "refuge", we aren't living here on some secluded animal game preserve. VNN takes the Jews indecency and shoves it right back into their face. Maybe I'm just more current on the younger male generation but have you seen "The Daily Show" with John Stewart? That Jew mocks every traditional moral value and the White viewers beg for more. VNN turns the situation upside down and throws it right back at the Jews and mocks their values!!!

All this bogus moralizing over that interracial sex pic as though nothing else in the 'Kwa is disgusting. [color="Red"]Here's what I find disgusting:
1. White Whiggers jerking their shoulders up and down and moving their arms and hands like ghetto niggers when they talk (you'ze, cuz, wuz, dat, know what I'm sayin'?)

2. Beautiful White women marrying rich KIKES

3. Every fucking "mainstream" political format and their repetitive predictable arguments about the difference between the wonderful legal vs. illegal immigrants.

4. Jew cum swallower Sean Hannity (Put his photo on the front page)

5. John Joy Tree (if you weak-kneed moralists can't handle Alex's style go enjoy being under Jew Tree's totalitarian thumb for a while at Stormfront and see how "liberating" it feels having your latest posts not show up)

6. Edgar Steele constantly bashing Hitler and Nazis

7. The National Alliance was run as nothing more than a Bookclub (What is the point in membership? A cute newsletter every month telling you what you already know? So what?)

8. 65 year old White Amerikwans still trying to become millionaires just to gain attention from their friends

9. Niggerball pro sports

10. NASCAR

11. STORMFRONT (the whole God damn board) (The effeminate narcissism of the 'Sustaining members'....OH I HAVE A REALLY BIG AVATAR so I'm more special/elite? Yeah, special on a do-nothing message board, real pride there....

12. A whole society which values money as God, no one has any legitimate worth unless they are wealthy.

Ah yes, Otto Remer, I remember that name. When a VNN tabloid like TAA was initially proposed about two years ago, Otto Remer was one of the first to swear that he'd never distribute it. Yes, Otto Remer, I believe. I remember the name.

Otto Remer now here to defend smut and speculation at VNN and VNNF. [color="Red"]Now that's what I call DISGUSTING.

Ah Colonel Klutz, I remember the name.

Yes, the one who swore to leave VNN Forum and never return because you could not hold up your end of a debate with me about Money. But don't worry, I forgive you for running away because I usually beat the hell out of anybody who debates with me and who won't admit when they are wrong.

Ah, Colonel Klutz, so we meet again. VNN is a rather adictive Forum, eh, Swinehund? You couldn't resist returning, eh? Schistkampf?

Are you ready to try your luck with me again? Because unless you use your little pea brain to its utmost, you will have to run away again.

Seig Heil.

ps -- Did you take your medications today? I wouldn't want you to blow a gasket in trying to answer me politely. Too much thorazine is not good for your social life, or didn't your psychiatrist explain that to you? Switch to Prozac and then wean yourself off the Meds to a natural diet of juice, sunshine and light exercise. You will feel better for it.

I've STARRED in worse porn than what that graphic showed. Your all a bunch of sissies.

I call "bullshit"!

Ah yes, Otto Remer, I remember that name. When a VNN tabloid like TAA was initially proposed about two years ago, Otto Remer was one of the first to swear that he'd never distribute it. Yes, Otto Remer, I believe. I remember the name.

Otto Remer now here to defend smut and speculation at VNN and VNNF. [color="Red"]Now that's what I call DISGUSTING.

Look, I know many White males under 25 and Alex knows their language, they are guys who love to be shocked, and perhaps shock is the only feeling/pleasure they haven't grown tired of. This youth loves "Family Guy", "South Park", "Jackass", etc..they are the future of WN whether you like it or not.

I don't know how old you are but the White males in this country over age 45 have already accepted the polarized establishment norm with Limbaugh and Hannity constituting the supposed opposition to "Liberals". A single forum section on the Sean Hannity forum has 943,442 posts!!! Obviously the older crowd just doesn't get it.

Here's what I find disgusting:

1. White Whiggers jerking their shoulders up and down and moving their arms and hands like ghetto niggers when they talk (you'ze, cuz, wuz, dat, know what I'm sayin'?)

2. Beautiful White women marrying rich KIKES

3. Every fucking "mainstream" political format and their repetitive predictable arguments about the difference between the wonderful legal vs. illegal immigrants.

4. Jew cum swallower Sean Hannity (Put his photo on the front page)

5. John Joy Tree (if you weak-kneed moralists can't handle Alex's style go enjoy being under Jew Tree's totalitarian thumb for a while at Stormfront and see how "liberating" it feels having your latest posts not show up)

6. Edgar Steele constantly bashing Hitler and Nazis

7. The National Alliance was run as nothing more than a Bookclub (What is the point in membership? A cute newsletter every month telling you what you already know? So what?)

8. 65 year old White Amerikwans still trying to become millionaires just to gain attention from their friends

9. Niggerball pro sports

10. NASCAR

11. STORMFRONT (the whole God damn board) (The effeminate narcissism of the 'Sustaining members'....OH I HAVE A REALLY BIG AVATAR so I'm more special/elite? Yeah, special on a do-nothing message board, real pride there....

12. A whole society which values money as God, no one has any legitimate worth unless they are wealthy.

How does NASCAR fit in with the rest?

Look, I know many White males under 25 and Alex knows their language, they are guys who love to be shocked, and perhaps shock is the only feeling/pleasure they haven't grown tired of. This youth loves "Family Guy", "South Park", "Jackass", etc..they are the future of WN whether you like it or not.

I don't know how old you are but the White males in this country over age 45 have already accepted the polarized establishment norm with Limbaugh and Hannity constituting the supposed opposition to "Liberals". A single forum section on the Sean Hannity forum has 943,442 posts!!! Obviously the older crowd just doesn't get it.

The older crowd does get it! That's the whole point. Plus it all depends on ones target audience. If that audience is the younger white crowd your age, then produce whatever. If however, your audience is an elite intelligent audience then the images can and should be left out. I don't need a visual image in order to understand what the hell I'm reading about. This has been tried before with ALL sorts of images and it never worked. From the pictures of nigger lynching, to photos of someone getting their head blown off, to porn pictures. Intelligent white folks are tired of that. They want and are seeking something they can intelligently read, and then think about it for themselves.

How does NASCAR fit in with the rest?

It serves as a form of needless distraction for racially healthy Whites. The excessive emphasis on cars and racing indicates a childlike mind. The Nascar fans are the macho equivalent of the Star Wars nerds (both groups are huge idlers who avoid thinking about real problems in society)

The older crowd does get it! That's the whole point. Plus it all depends on ones target audience. If that audience is the younger white crowd your age, then produce whatever. If however, your audience is an elite intelligent audience then the images can and should be left out. I don't need a visual image in order to understand what the hell I'm reading about. This has been tried before with ALL sorts of images and it never worked. From the pictures of nigger lynching, to photos of someone getting their head blown off, to porn pictures. Intelligent white folks are tired of that. They want and are seeking something they can intelligently read, and then think about it for themselves.

Isn't Stormfront a kind of middle ground between VNN and American Renaissance? Why isn't Don Black producing a tabloid? He could reach many intelligent Whites, couldn't he?