Burrhus,

You ask some very good questions there, questions which point to a level of jewish untouchability in Europe. But are you correct in assuming that the jews are solely responsible for this?

Marxists had been trying to gain power since Karl Marx gained his first followers after the publication of Das Kapital in 1867. They reaped the perfect storm in the early 20th century with women gaining the vote in the early part of the century, and then WWI showing up the European Monarchies, and sowing cynicism and resentment in the working classes. This was closely followed by the Great Depression of the 1930s, which was quickly followed by the rise of nationalism and then WW2.

Marxism is a religion, and it gained many converts through these trials in the 20th C. I don't think Americans really understand how profoundly Europeans were shaken by 2 world wars within the space of 21 years.

Marxists, after finally getting into the corridors of power went about destroying the fabric of the "system" that they saw as the embodiment of evil, that they had sworn to destroy.

So, previously respected institutions and groups (churches, teachers, parents, army, men's institutions) were ridiculed. Liberated "anti-establishment" figures were elevated. Marxism spawned the feminist movement, and the "multicultural" movement. The feminist movement was taken up by a people, programmed to accept the new paradigm of "egalitarianism", and feminists got busy, turning women against men.

This is what has broken our European nations down. Marxism. But I don't think marxism really ever gained much traction in America.

Burrhus,

the questions are no indication of jewish involvement in German politics.

Democratic Germany was built on the sole purpose to not allow National Socialism to rise again.Hence the explanation for all these prohibitions on "free speech".

Germans dont want another war and thats why they demand from their goverment that they do anything possible to prevent that from happening.So the system is only answering to the wishes of the people when passing these "hate-speech" laws,since a confrontation with Israel would isolate Germany once more from the international community.

The so-called international community is seen as the guarantee for lasting peace in Europe.

But even if these question would prove anything,averange Germans dont ask them and dont want to know the answers to it.They just dont care.

They want reasonable solutions for direct problems: Mass-immigration of foreigners,globalization,capitalism and so on.

Of course,we as German National Socialists will solve the "jewish problem" but it will be done among other things too.Not as a prerequisite for solving all other problems.

Marxism is not a religion, but itz inventor, Karl Marx, was a Jew.

Marxism is a religion in the sense that its followers subscribe to a set of clearly established beliefs which are handed down to them, rather than thought out by the individual.

Marxists feel as if they have a mission in life... to convert people to marxism, and to establish a marxist economy and social system on the state. Marxists are irrational and fanatical in their beliefs (just as religious nuts are), and they cling to their beliefs as an article of "faith" regardless of what evidence points to their religion being an enormous crock of shit.

Burrhus,
You ask some very good questions there, questions which point to a level of jewish untouchability in Europe. But are you correct in assuming that the jews are solely responsible for this?

Nowhere in my post above nor in any other post on this forum have I either asserted that the jews are solely responsible for the problems facing the white race or written anything which clearly implies that I believe that.

I would respectfully request that what I have written not be miscontrued by additions, deletions or alterations to the words contained therein.

Obviously, other factors have contributed to the decline of White Western Civilization, but clearly the jews have been one of those factors and certainly a dominant one.

Marxists, after finally getting into the corridors of power went about destroying the fabric of the "system" that they saw as the embodiment of evil, that they had sworn to destroy.

You are correct in claiming that marxism has been the cause of many of our problems. I think that a case can be made for the assertion that the jews played a very large role in the rise of marxism and the damage that resulted from its practices.

But not solely.

Burrhus,

the questions are no indication of jewish involvement in German politics.

Please understand that it it is not the questions which indicate jewish involvement in Euopean (or German) politics, economics, education, media and so on.

It is the inability on the part of Europeans to provide answers to these questions while denying the power that the jews wield over their nations which demonstrates that power. This dilemma ought to force them to re-consider their position on the jewish problem.

Whether they do or don't is not the point.

The point is: the questions demand answers.

But even if these question would prove anything,averange Germans dont ask them and dont want to know the answers to it.They just dont care.

I have no way of knowing if the German people do or do not care about the jewish problem, but that is irrelevant to me. I am only concerned with exposing to them what I see to be the truth. I could be wrong but if I am, what then are the answers to my questions if not jewish domination?

You may believe that they don't care, but I remain unconvinced of that. In either case, I will continue to speak the truth as I see it.

If no one cares...

They want reasonable solutions for direct problems: Mass-immigration of foreigners,globalization,capitalism and so on.

Of course,we as German National Socialists will solve the "jewish problem" but it will be done among other things too.Not as a prerequisite for solving all other problems

I could not agree with you more. I have argued the same case in many other posts on VNNF. In my post above I wrote:

Burrhus: First let me say that I agree, in contrast with too many here on VNNF, that the muslims in Europe and Australia are a serious problem and that they should all be expelled immediately except maybe for the Bosnians. The Bosnians are no more real muslims than Unitarians are real christians.

Elsewhere I have written in response:

Originally Posted by Antiochus Epiphanes
So naming and defanging the Jew remains equivalent to cutting the Gordian knot of our problems.

Burrhus: True, but white nationalists would be ill advised to wait until after we have pulled the fangs from the jaw of the jewish snake before we try to remove the venomous problems that they have injected into the body of the white race.

If we do, we may find ourselves becoming progressively weaker and closer to death, and thus less able to ever defang the jew at all.

That is probably what the jews expect us to do.

Let's not.

There are many posts on VNNF where I have tried very hard to convince people that we must make two efforts simultaneously. We must deal both with the jewish problem and with the problems such as immigration, globalization and the general decline of our civilization which are to a very great extent the result of jewish power in our nations.

We cannot wait until we have solved the jewish problem to try to solve the other problems.

But neither can we afford to ignore the jewish problem while we deal with the problems which they have played a major role in bringing upon us.

Too many here on VNNF want to focus only on the jewish problem.

It appears that too many of you in Europe want to focus only on the problems resulting from jewish power.

We can and must deal with both issues at the same time.

We must remove the venom from the body of the white race while at the same time we hunt down and expel the snake from the White Nations.

Am I asking for too much from white nationalists?

Can we not chew gum and walk at the same time?

Can Americans and Europeans not stop giving the jews what they want?

A white race divided against itself.

as to griffin's point that we should take on the easier foe first, upon reflection I think maybe we can grant this principle and say that it STILL suggests we should take on jews first. jews are rich and powerful but I am thinking less so than the billion or so Muslims in the world lead by the multinational Arab tribe which is outnumbers jews a thousand times over. Did I mention the Arabs have the best oil fields? I guess that's been said.

Why was John Foster Dulles a convinced Arabist? He knew better than Griffen that's for sure. Why did Skorzeny go around training the Arabs after the war. I see lots of historical antecedents for cooperation that are being completely ignored.

I don't have a lot of facts concerning this, but I do have a few interesting ones.
It is generally believed by scholars, most noteably marxist scholars, that the marxist concepts were brought to the american continent as early as 1848 to, of all places, Wisconsin, a state well-known for its prevelance of german, scandinavian immigrants.
It is also thought by these same scholars that german-jews, due to their policy of non-assimilation, were more than likely the core of marxism in the U.S.
A man by the name of Daniel DeLeon is credited with being the first truly american marxist public figure in the 1890's.
Ironically enough, the party gained popularity during World War II. Post WWII brought Sen. Eugene Mc Carthy and others who attempted to purge this influence from the federal governement.
As recent as the 1960's/70's, a marxist publication entitled "Radical America" was the "unofficial" journal of the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) led by Tom Hayden, then a student at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.
There is a lot of history and extenuating circumstances that come with all this, but I believe it is sufficient to indicate that yes, we are familiar with the marxist methods first-hand.
It has always been considered "fashionable" for young idealistic intellectuals to be members of the marxist movement in the U.S. and elsewhere.
Like the man said, Marx was a jew.
And one of their methods is to divide, and let us conquer each other.

The world has moved on from communism.

The new threat to Western nations is the muslim.

The muslims can practice their vile religion in their own countries, just so long as they don't seek to export it to the rest of us.

Before we woke up, they had already started the process of turning Western nations into muslim states, and that is why they must be resisted now.

Griffin talks about the role of white people in a muslim state as "slaves and sexual playthings". Make no mistake, these people believe the word of god himself instructs them to treat white people like that.

Why is it against the law in many European countries (and Australia?) to make any comment that in any way questions or diminishes the hollow-hoax?

I don't think freedom of speech has ever been garanteed by any constitution in Europe. I read Denmark has something that is similar to the american First Amendment but that would be one of the rare countries. I believe Germany and Austria had to have laws against inciting a revival of nazism as a direct result of the defeat so that would include the "crime" of denying the holocaust. In France right after the war there were laws passed against nazi sympathisers. A law for the purpose of criminalizing the expression of politically incorrect and racist opinions was passed in 1972 (Loi Pleven). In the 1970s a university professor named Robert Faurisson publicly questioned the official version of the holocaust and he received a lot of publicity as a result of all the people who attacked him. This lead to the Gayssot Law in 1990 specifically targeting holocaust denial.

French Courts Punish Holocaust Apostasy

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n2p14_Weber.html

Gayssot and Fabius were hardcore leftists, i.e. the kind of people who routinely minimize the crimes of the USSR and exagerrate the crimes of the Third Reich. It's a rather popular thing to do in Europe in the countries that were invaded by Germany. You won't find a lot of people in Holland or Denmark of France or Poland who think the nazis were great and by pointing the finger at Germany and the holocaust the nationalists and the leftists in these countries are convincing themselves and those around them that they fought for something that was worth fighting for. Not only were the nazis invaders but they were evil.

I recall watching a documentary on the american intervention in Somalia and the events that inspired the movie Black Hawk Down. One of the american soldiers was interviewed and he said that he wasn't able to tell the parents and family members of his buddies that were killed that they died for nothing important. That they might have died for nothing is something that this guy could't conceive. He had to believe and they all have to.

He's like many veterans of Gulf War 1 and 2, they're probably the last ones that can be convinced that they weren't where they should have been. I could show them articles detailing the lies of the Bush Administration and its jews and explain to them that this war had nothing to do with protecting the country from external threats but it will take years and decades for them to conceive that they fought in a war for no valid reason and that it was certainly not to protect their country from nukulur weapons. They'll come up with some stories of iraqi children smiling and laughing and tell you "see, it was worth it".

With WW2 if the holocaust would have to be abandoned because it has been proven to be largely a hoax it will for a lot of people cheapen the meaning of their work for the victors. In Europe it's a sensitive issue and not only a jewish thing.

Hey I'll try this: next time I see a WW2 vet I'm going to tell him that the holocaust is bullshit and that Germany should have won the war and that he was screwed by the governments he thought wanted to protect the 'free world' by siding with the USSR to beat Germany. Do you think he's going to agree no matter how I calmly present the case ? You think he's going to tell himself that the outcome of the carnage he participated in and came out alive wasn't a good one ? I doubt it.

In Europe I presume schools regularly invite Allies veterans (as well as holocaust survivors) to talk about the war and how the defeat of Germany was a good thing and this isn't a 'jewish plot': even without the holocaust a lot of people would have convinced themselves that it was a good thing that the victors won and the defeated lost and they'll agree with the government institutionalizing its propaganda through schools. That's probably what happens in most wars. In Canada we still have official celebrations of WW1. I once asked a guy who was wearing the red poppy why we were celebrating WW1 and he tried to tell me that those canadians died for our country or something. I wouldn't be surprised if there is still a substancial number of canadians who think WW1 was a 'good war'.

And as I said in other threads americans would be surprised at the number of sincere goyim communists that are politically active in Europe. After the war Italy and France were good places for them. I read that they killed thousands of frenchmen suspected of collaboration with the germans. They infiltrated many institutions and they were an important force. Jews may have been overrepresented in communist groups in post-war France and that wouldn't be a surprise but that doesn't mean all the bad things the communists did can be all blamed on the jews.

The truthful answers to the questions are in fact a clear indication of jewish involvement in the problems facing Europe and Australia.

that's the problem with such inferences they just don't prove what they're supposed to prove. In Europe nationalism, racialism and antisemitism is associated with nazism and therefore the carnage of WW2 by all sorts of people from all political sides, it's not simply jewish thing. If one tries to take the holocaust of the equation it's not just jews who will be offended it's the average leftist and the average christian and the average old-school patriotard because the holocaust is a very useful argument in their whole discourse.

Documenting and explaining the power of jews in America is rather easy but it's not as obvious elsewhere. We can talk about how jews uses american politicians and the american government to pressure other countries (i.e. Switzerland) when it can be explained and documented but we shouldn't be concluding when we don't know the facts.

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There is much hatred of the Jews in France too,

from what I understand it's mostly a leftist anti-israeli sentiment. It's not racial

and by failing to address Zionism, J, P, Le Penn is failing the nationalists within his country

He was against the Gulf War #1 and his wife was involved in a charity group to help iraqis under the embargo. He met Saddam a few times. In this article [in french] he says he doesn't have a problem with Iran having nuclear weapons, that the wars against Afghanistan and Iraq are to secure oil rich lands and to protect Israel, that the United States and its allies want war against Iran and that the cartoon thing was probably part of a strategy to prepare the ground for a war against Iran

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/10032006/202/le-pen-ne-voit-pas-pourquoi-l-iran-ne-devrait.html

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The new threat to Western nations is the muslim.

there's no muslim threat in North America, no arab street scum and riots like in Europe. 9/11 wasn't a religious attack and it didn't happen because the televitz says americans are free.

Griffin talks about the role of white people in a muslim state as "slaves and sexual playthings". Make no mistake, these people believe the word of god himself instructs them to treat white people like that.

it's more a racial thing than a religious one. Voodooist and kwanzaaist africans would behave against whites in a similar manner. Are the lebanese gangs religious gangs or ethnic gangs ? It's an easy answer

I don't think freedom of speech has ever been garanteed by any constitution in Europe.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n2p14_Weber.html

Documenting and explaining the power of jews in America is rather easy but it's not as obvious elsewhere. We can talk about how jews uses american politicians and the american government to pressure other countries (i.e. Switzerland) when it can be explained and documented but we shouldn't be concluding when we don't know the facts.

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there's no muslim threat in North America, no arab street scum and riots like in Europe. 9/11 wasn't a religious attack and it didn't happen because the televitz says americans are free.

There is not much to stop people writing or saying anything they like in Australia about jews or a holocaust, except in the single State of Victoria, which has vilification laws. However the Federal Government has banned foreign speakers such as holocaust speaker David Irving on the ground that he might stir up trouble. Other speakers with left-wing and islamic views have also been refused entry, or deported, on the same grounds.

There is a move to keep these vilification laws out of the State of New South Wales by christian groups who want to keep the right to be able to criticise islam.

America is perhaps not under as significant a muslim threat as other Western nations perhaps because of the jewish influence.

Just because jews in the USA feel threatened by islam, doesn't mean that the rest of the population shouldn't feel threatened.

Threatened?
We get every threat under the sun thrown our way, real and not real, including imprisonment for daring to oppose government policy in all areas, domestic or international.
I think we know what being threatened is all about.
I think we have our hands full, trying to negate orchestrated threats, real and not real.
The undermining of America has been going on for a long time, progressively worsening no matter what we have tried to do to stem the tide of America being destroyed.
We know the goal is one land of idiot muds who know nothing do nothing say nothing, with "races" being singled out and "assimilated", not because of race, but because of their strong oppostion to turning this country into a third-world cesspool, filled with drugs and crime and rape and murder and trash.
And our already drained resources being further submerged by escalating the war in the Middle East.
We had a working relationship with the arabs.
What do you think happened to it?
Obviously, America has served its purpose as far as BIG MONEY is concerned. I will let you determine who is the BIG MONEY in this world.
It would seem that China is the place for BIG MONEY to invest now. And the only real purpose for America is to provide troops and weapons to police the world for BIG MONEY.
Foreign interests already own more of America than Americans do, and yet the Americans continue to support America with their tax dollars. Go figure.
And so excuse us if we find the moot points between muslim problem and jews a little tedious. It is like arguing with a five year old that yes, there are bad people out there, and no, you can't walk to Josh's by yourself.

Burrhus,

thank you for clarifying that.

The "jewish problem" at least here in Germany will be solved along the way,so to speak.

Seeing jewish culprits for every ill german society has is wrong and unhelpful for the propaganda aimed to the masses.

I think capitalism should be held accountable for most of our problems and this is what we actually do here.

Anyway just my 2 cents.

Jews practiced capitalism long before it became known as capitalism.
They called it "religion".
By the way, it is no longer called capitalism, it is called "Free Enterprise".

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,18652993-5001022,00.html

Habib quizzed

March 30, 2006

FORMER Guantanamo Bay inmate Mamdouh Habib has been questioned by police investigating a fatal double shooting in Sydney, a friend says.

Two young men were gunned down on Blaxcell Street, in Granville, western Sydney, about 11.15pm (AEDT) yesterday.

One man died at the scene while the second was taken to Westmead Hospital with several gunshot wounds but died a few hours later.

Their identities were yet to be released but both men were believed to be in their 20s, police said.

Police said a crowd of about 200 people emerged on the street soon after the shooting, hampering police efforts to investigate.

Raul Bassi, who campaigned for Mr Habib's release when he was held as a terrorist suspect at the US' Guantanamo Bay detention facility, says Mr Habib spent much of the night being questioned by police.

"It seems like police think Mamdouh was a witness or something," Mr Bassi told AAP.

The Seven Network reported Mr Habib, along with his his son, was driving along Blaxcell Street at the time of the shooting and was pulled over but refused to answer questions.

Police said two people had been arrested at the scene for disobeying directions but were released without charge later in the night.

Mr Habib, who returned to Australia in January 2005, was captured in Pakistan in late 2001 and detained by the US for more than three years as a suspected terrorist, but was not charged.

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,18652993-5001022,00.html

That's fabulous, as in fable.

I think the hollowco$t was fabulous, as in fabulous.