Bad news Bill. You're five inches shorter and about 20 lbs lighter. And I haul my share of heavy equipment...Rght Bill, any REAL man would take some time...to beat up someone who insulted them...

I don't give a whit about the rally in NY. It's guaranteed to be another circus and only detracts from what's being built from the ground up at VNN. Remember, VNNers, the strongest man is mightiest alone, not hooked arm in arm with Bill White, Von Blevins and a bunch of hobbiest Hollywood Xian Nazi weaklings that hate your guts and smear your true comrades.

I'm concerned that Alex Linder allows Bill White to continue to disrupt the work of VNN and divide one VNNer against the other by his taking advantage of the ill-advised "uncensored free-speech" loophole so easily. Moderators begged White, "pretty please,"to quit lying about VNNers and smearing their good names and were ignored by the arrogant Mr. White. I see AE finally, reluctantly, removed White's signature file which smears some of VNN's best activists, yet all of White's smears remain up for viewing and he still runs through the VNN china shop like a bucking bull rather than being booted or at least confined to the Opposition Forum with other enemies of VNN.

I see Chain supporting the Kingston rally despite White's smear campaign of his comrades, while I see another top VNNer, Tood, refusing to post to VNN any longer until White is gone. THAT is a big loss and for WHAT? To allow the enemy to smear us with impunity in our own forum? Even Rounder, who is always on the offensive, has been forced to be defensive, telling folks that they can send $$ to Alex if they don't trust him, as a result of White's unchecked, malicious attacks of him.

I'm supposed to go pick up 11,000 issues of TAA#3 and start sending them to distributors, but, frankly, like Todd, I'm losing my stomach for VNN due to the inaction/indecision of Alex in this matter of White's Covingtonesque political sabotage. What good is steering folks to VNN through TAA if what they see when they get here is the Bill White circus?

RULE #1 - Never give your enemy access to your own propaganda transmission belts.

Anyway, JP, I looked over this thread from last night to find you and Braggadocious Bill, the man who claims to have been in this movement since the seventh grade, when he used to draw hammers and cycles on his book covers, mixing it up. Great! So, you're 6'-7'' and 250 lbs, eh? That's impressive. is all that's holding you back from going up and kicking White's ass in fron of a big crowd the $$ for the trip?

I hereby offer you $1,000 for the expenses with which to take Mr Bill up on his offer, but only if it's in front of a big crowd. If someone else wants to take an oak table leg to this lying commie windbag's head, the offer stands for you, too. Some might say that this is illegal, but I say it's just my helping someone taking up White's challenge to come try an whip his sorry ass. I'll defend the man who accepts this offer in court if it comes to that. I have no problem justifying this offer, since I consider what White has said of me to be classic "fighting words." If this SOB is allowed to show ip in public after his attacks on VNNers and not be held accountable, then VNN is not the place for me.

Great post, Will. Excellent assessment of all issues. But, this being VNN and the internet, a bunch of people will just pick it apart and reassert themselves via support for White. You could write a book on this alone, and all they'd have to say to it is: "The NSM are soldiers. I hope they come." Same shit, always.

I will offer my own cash if White agrees to fight JP, one on one, no funny business, with Chain getting it on tape. This is how respectable white folks should settle larger differences, after all. Wouldn't you rather see one of ours slugging one of theirs than seeing those redneck cretins sieg heiling around an upstate NY burg?

Far back in this thread I said plainly: Stop the NSM at any cost. Not to give the NSM or White far more credit than is due, or associate them with the organization they pretend to idolize, but this is precisely why Hitler had to put down the SA; and no matter how many Jews historians claim that Röhm wasn't planning anything or that the SA weren't making a nuisance of themselves, we have living proof to the contrary, for this is precisely what must be got beyond if there is to be any reason at all in getting out of bed every morning. Imagine if the SA had been indulged! These people have bad instincts and shallow thought processes. They are nothing but a stain, a reproach, a retardation of all efforts, which are hardly worthwhile as it is.

Good point. But David Duke's endorsement is important, nevertheless. And he elevates himself from the crowd by being the only one of the "Big Three" to endorse the rally.

Will:

The fact that you stand arm in arm with informants and the rejects of the white nationalist movement says more about you than any smear I or anyone else could concoct.

David Duke has conditionally endorsed the Kingston Rally. The condition is that nothing is done to evoke the jew hollywood stereotyping of "White Supremacists." I assume that one of the things he has in mind, although he hasn't made this specifically clear as yet, includes the NSM wearing nazi uniforms.

Duke's endorsement is important. How does his endorsement condition affect the opinion of NSM re wearing their uniforms?

First, I have met Duke and he's a nice enough guy. I don't dislike him.

The NSM has no official position on him.

However, my personal opinion of Duke's position in the movement is that Duke's approach is wrong headed, that his influence on the white nationalist movement is past, and his whole section of "white nationalism"-- including Kevin Strom's National Vanguard and Don Black's Stormfront -- is baggage that holds the movement back and that we would be better off cutting loose. Let them be comfortable as the radical end of the racial conservatives, and let's stop considering them as being part of the same movement as the NSM and the world's real national socialists.

Going back to Kingston, there will be two uniformed NSM speakers at the rally. If Duke doesn't like it, then he should withdraw his support. His opinion has no influence in NSM circles.

Will:

The fact that you stand arm in arm with informants and the rejects of the white nationalist movement says more about you than any smear I or anyone else could concoct.

saved. for beter or for worse

Oh, and to whoever removed seanDOCmartin's quote from my signature line, FUCK YOU

That was a quote directly from seanDOCmartin here on this forum, so maybe you should remove the rest of his posts

if you think that directly quoting VNNF member's posts here is flaming them, you are as stupid as the mods at Spermfront, if not moreso. if seanDOCmartin or the equal idiot 999 complained to you to remove that quote, maybe you should instead tell seanDOCmartin not to make such stupid posts. just don't hold me accountable for seanDOCmartin's stupidity
you have made a bad mistake punk

right, and what was Hitler's position on the Bund? Something worth remembering. and what were the positive outcomes of the Bund for Whites in America-- or Germany-- if any?

actually here's what I was getting at:

After the investigation, Hitler ordered all German nationals to withdraw from the Friends. On March 19, 1936, Hitler placed US citizen Fritz Kuhn at the head of the party in order to make Americans respond more positively.

The name Friends of the New Germany was changed to The German-American Bund (Bund meaning federation).

After taking over, Kuhn started to attract attention to the Bund through propaganda film strips which outlined the Bund's views. Later that year in 1936, Kuhn with some 50 fellow Nazis boarded a boat to Germany, hoping to receive official recognition from Hitler during the Berlin Olympics. Unfortunately for Kuhn, he was probably the last person Hitler wanted to meet, because Hitler wanted his American Nazis to remain non-aggressive and work quietly.

http://www.answers.com/topic/german-american-bund

The NSM instantly gained tons of respect for Toledo. You'll lose all of it permanently if you show up in uniform. Please, we are not questioning your manhood or balls. When we win this fight, we can teach the world about Hitler. First we have to win. We have to ease the sheeple into our world.

I am sorry there are still people who think about the world as you do.

National Socialism is a movement of hope. Racial conservatism is a much better movement for the hopeless.

There is no white nationalism or white struggle without national socialism.

White's head is thicker than a fucking Mexican's.

Bill,

Scenario:

You are made ruler of the US tomorrow with total power. What form of Government would you install? Would it be strictly a National Socialist form of government or a variant of it?

Thanks in advance for the anwer.

billwhite
National Socialism is a movement of hope. Racial conservatism is a much better movement for the hopeless.

There is no white nationalism or white struggle without national socialism.

I happen to agree with this 100%.

actually here's what I was getting at:

were you the moderator who removed part of my signature line?

Bill,

Scenario:

You are made ruler of the US tomorrow with total power. What form of Government would you install? Would it be strictly a National Socialist form of government or a variant of it?

Thanks in advance for the anwer.

Assuming a peaceful ascent to power, the initial changes in the government would be national socialist but moderate. My initial foci:

* Ban the practice of the Jewish religion; arrest leaders of the Jewish lobby; enact racial laws barring Jews from holding office, participating in the press, teaching at universities, practicing law, owning large portions of American banks and companies and otherwise interfering with the vital cultural tasks of the nation

* Ban anti-racist and communist organizations; criminalize the teaching of multi-culturalism or diversity

* Enact legislation for penal reform through labor.

* Deport the Hispanic population back to their countries of origin.

* Enact segregation; dissolve all inter-racial marriages; re-criminalize race-mixing; sterilize mulattos; enact incentives to repatriate American blacks in Africa.

* End the US war in Iraq; support white nationalist movements in Europe and the general European liberation countries; focus foreign intervention on restoring Southern Africa to white rule and to resettle the black population of that part of the continent.

* Reform the welfare state; eliminate subsidies and enact labor programs -- including compulsory labor programs -- for the unemployed; make the focus of welfare assisting the temporarily out of work rather than sustaining a class of the out of work.

* Strengthen the common police powers of the state while weakening the political policing powers, except in the case of Jews and their related subversives.

Why does the NSM wear SA uniforms in the first place? I mean, don't you know how that story ends? The Stormtroopers didnt exactly win in their power struggle with the SS.

For the love of God, can we stop all the bickering......