I don't give a whit about the rally in NY. It's guaranteed to be another circus and only detracts from what's being built from the ground up at VNN.......... I'm supposed to go pick up 11,000 issues of TAA#3 and start sending them to distributors, but, frankly, like Todd, I'm losing my stomach for VNN due to the inaction/indecision of Alex in this matter of White's Covingtonesque political sabotage. What good is steering folks to VNN through TAA if what they see when they get here is the Bill White circus?
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Good questions Will, good questions. I hear VNN's Col Kurtz has been having small, but regular, public appearances with known local contacts. That's the kind of thing that shows discipline, organization, sustained commitment-- not the occasional throng of costumes.

Thanks for helping pick up those extra TAAs, Will, I'm sending Rounder another $100 and asking him to send some free TAAs to that Col Kurtz. It's sane, calculated, disciplined activists that we need to support and engage. That's the long term road to success.

But, I think Chain is a roving reporter so whatever he gets on tape, is great. I'll be happy to see Chain's record of the events.

billwhite

Good post. I'll go along with nearly all of that. I would nearly eliminate the prison system of today and replace it with a form of physical punishment. Harsh labor for low end crimes, physical torture for high end crimes like rape. Jails only used to hold criminals until trial.

Bill White mentioned some time ago that the Nazi uniform is meant to piss off the communist red and ARA. In my opinion, you’re playing right into the enemies hand; watching the two battling out is an amusement for the kikes. A reenactment of the Weimar Germany Broadway show.

Great post, Will. Excellent assessment of all issues. But, this being VNN and the internet, a bunch of people will just pick it apart and reassert themselves via support for White. You could write a book on this alone, and all they'd have to say to it is: "The NSM are soldiers. I hope they come." Same shit, always.

I will offer my own cash if White agrees to fight JP, one on one, no funny business, with Chain getting it on tape. This is how respectable white folks should settle larger differences, after all. Wouldn't you rather see one of ours slugging one of theirs than seeing those redneck cretins sieg heiling around an upstate NY burg?

Far back in this thread I said plainly: Stop the NSM at any cost. Not to give the NSM or White far more credit than is due...

Good, Uppinatta. The offer is still on the table and has been seweetened by you. Let's see what VNNers are made of. I see Rob Roy McGregor has taken the thread I started an hour or so in General Discussion, "$1,000 to the man who cracks Bill White's skull," pansified the title, suggesting my offer is illegal, and relegated it to the "Hip Boots & Armbands" sub subforum over at Nutzpah. My offer is legitimate and not illegal. I'm serious and take full responsibility for the offer. Mac should be worrying more about losing me and Todd and Glenn and others that have kept VNN moving forward with the TAA project and less about protecting the enemy and his so-called right to free speech on this forum.

Someone should get his head out of his ass and start paying attention to what's going on here with Bill White in this campaign to undermine VNN and demoralize some of it's best activists, and make a command decision to put an end to it.

Thanks for the clarification on your position. Something to think about.

Someone should get his head out of his ass and start paying attention to what's going on here with Bill White in this campaign to undermine VNN and demoralize some of it's best activists, and make a command decision to put an end to it.

You mean Alex Buddha?

Someone mentioned below that the NSM got "respect" for Toledo. All I see in that incident was some local cretins (negroes) incited by other cretins (antifa) over the presence of some other cretins (NSM). Bill White will get respect when he decides to have some tact; but, to do that - to have some humility, to practice constraint - would be the negation of his whole character. People do not easily relinquish what makes them who they are. The more that accretes to their ego, the more impossible is it to take them down one or two pegs, even for the obvious good of public policy. In this White is no different from the average Gentile moneybags. His ego is simply too inflated, and his mind too shallow, to understand the issue; so for anyone here who supports him.

Anyway, I doubt either will take up our offer.

Good post. I'll go along with nearly all of that. I would nearly eliminate the prison system of today and replace it with a form of physical punishment. Harsh labor for low end crimes, physical torture for high end crimes like rape. Jails only used to hold criminals until trial.

The question is the penal system is one of reform or punishment.

Many of the most useless members of society could be made quite useful if they were forced to labor and provided with room and board for doing so. Sweep up the winos and the crackheads and put them in labor camps and most of the minor crime in society will disappear.

More serious criminals, murderers, rapists and the like, should simply be executed. They can't be reform and they should be punished, so eliminate them.

Good, Uppinatta. The offer is still on the table and has been seweetened by you. Let's see what VNNers are made of. I see Rob Roy McGregor has taken the thread I started an hour or so in General Discussion, "$1,000 to the man who cracks Bill White's skull," pansified the title, suggesting my offer is illegal, and relegated it to the "Hip Boots & Armbands" sub subforum over at Nutzpah. My offer is legitimate and not illegal. I'm serious and take full responsibility for the offer. Mac should be worrying more about losing me and Todd and Glenn and others that have kept VNN moving forward with the TAA project and less about protecting the enemy and his so-called right to free speech on this forum.

Someone should get his head out of his ass and start paying attention to what's going on here with Bill White in this campaign to undermine VNN and demoralize some of it's best activists, and make a command decision to put an end to it.

Just offering it seriously is illegal, Will, under Virginia's "threatening and abusive language" statute. I suggest you review it, as I am in Virginia, and a threat communicated against me here is prosecutable.

And paying someone to cross state lines to assault some else is seriously illegal. Like enough that you might have to go into hiding Rounder style then turn state's evidence on Alex Linder to save your own ass.

However, since I don't think you're doing anything more right now than spouting your mouth off during a mid-afternoon drinking binge, I have other things to do than reserve another wasted morning in a courthouse so you can get a $100 fine.

And also in the '30s in Europe it was customary to for many groups to march in uniforms. The socialists and catholics had their own styles of uniforms.

Today you'd make so much more of an impression if you had a march of clean cut folks in clean pressed shirts and pants.

There is no way they could demonize that so at worst they would just ignore you in the media. But you'd make a positive impression upon the folks in the neighborhood and that is what you should aim for.

Today's uniform is a Suit.

Bill White mentioned some time ago that the Nazi uniform is meant to piss off the communist red and ARA. In my opinion, you’re playing right into the enemies hand]This is hilarious. Watching the Hollywood Nazi siege heling in lockdown coontown, the nigs are looking for any excuse to loot.

 

Someone who refuses to acknowledge the facts and common sense about the negative effects of wearing an SA uniform in front of jews cameras is someone who is working against the common goal of all white nationalists. Nothing positive can be achieved while costumed goons parade themselves in front of the media pretending to be spokesmen for white nationalism. White Americans will never identify with self-absorbed ego maniacs like Mr. Bill who wear their costumes simply for shock value, because they are juveniles who are playing make-pretend nazi soldier as a result of their own psychological dysfunction.

I believe Mr. Bill knows this and is knowingly playing into the enemy's hands. The NSM can take a flying fuck for all I care, they aren't representatives of White Nationalism and the fact that they can't see that their own retarded antics are standing in the way of any true progress is an obvious indicator that at this point they shouldn't be regarded as an ally in any way but a counter-productive millstone hanging around the neck of legitimate activists who are trying to work towards real progress.

saved. for beter or for worse
Oh, and to whoever removed seanDOCmartin's quote from my signature line, FUCK YOU
That was a quote directly from seanDOCmartin here on this forum, so maybe you should remove the rest of his posts
if you think that directly quoting VNNF member's posts here is flaming them, you are as stupid as the mods at Spermfront, if not moreso. if seanDOCmartin or the equal idiot 999 complained to you to remove that quote, maybe you should instead tell seanDOCmartin not to make such stupid posts. just don't hold me accountable for seanDOCmartin's stupidity
you have made a bad mistake punk

Yes it was me. Were you the one who sent me the red dot? Sorry, if that was not a spoof quote. I'm not going to go through and check all his posts.

We're trying to implement a rule that discourages people from starting a fight-- flaming-- in every single post they make by virtue of what's in their signature line. Do you think that is a good idea or a bad one? Because you seem pretty mad about this.

You know, everybody has an idea of how the forum should be. I didnt volunteer to be a mod and quite frankly, I have less time for the task now than ever. Also, though in principle I agree with Alex's free speech policy, I get tired of seeing it abused by various and sundry. I've tried to fairly put a lid on certain abusive practices and we've kicked a few users to the curb along the ways who quite well earned it, and tried not to go too heavy.

As WN succeeds, this forum will grow and the people who use it-- and try to abuse it-- will increase in number. We'll hang in there and try and keep the free speech concept in effect, whilst preventing abuse. Your patience with such moderation as there is would be appreciated. Certainly it will be more appreciated than "fuck you" comments.

Just offering it seriously is illegal, Will, under Virginia's "threatening and abusive language" statute. I suggest you review it, as I am in Virginia, and a threat communicated against me here is prosecutable.

And paying someone to cross state lines to assault some else is seriously illegal.

Oh, OK, Mr. Bluster. I've considered your lame threat to prosecute me. My offer to JP or his second stands. In more honorable times the State of Virginia would have certainly honored physical combat between parties to settle a dispute brought on by such abusive language, such fighting words as you've thrown throw around here for the past couple of days. The fact is, Mr. Bluster, you are a transparent coward and a bald-faced liar. The word honor is not in your vocabulary, except to throw around to fool the dim-witted hobbiest suckers who would follow you.

You told JP this: "Come down to Roanoke and find me." Isn't that inviting him to cross state lines to mix it up with you? Pull out that abusive language statute, cut and paste it here for us to review. I'm thinking your own language here might be covered by this statute, if such statute exists, and prosecutable, as you say -- especially since you've communicated this language electronically across state lines.

You told JP how big and bad and strong you are as a slumlord/hod carrier, hoisting those 80-pound bags of "concrete (masons uses mortar mix to lay bricks, BTW, dumbass, not concrete), and all that, to try and scare him off once you found out he's no "little teen punk," or whatever abusive language it was you used when you invited him to cross state lines to try and kick your fat ass.

So, I'm willing to pay JP's expenses, defend him in court, if necessary, and will do the same for anyone else willing to be his second, should JP be otherwise disinclined to cross all those state lines, in order to knock you off this high horse on which you imagine yourself and teach you a well earned lesson.

Why don't you gather that supposed staff of mouthpieces with briefcases that you claim keeps you out of prison and you can all go whine to the Virginia Attorney General or to the FBI that "White Will threatened me?"

I've actually been taken to court for "abusive language" here (VA); it classifies as assault. I kid you not. You can be taken to court here for profanity; it happened to my mother, years ago. It's a fucked up state. However, everything you point out is of course true. White is an inveterate blusterer. We've called his bluff.

Oh, OK, Mr. Bluster. I've considered your lame threat to prosecute me. My offer to JP or his second stands. In more honorable times the State of Virginia would have certainly honored physical combat between parties to settle a dispute brought on by such abusive language, such fighting words as you've thrown throw around here for the past couple of days. The fact is, Mr. Bluster, you are a transparent coward and a bald-faced liar. The word honor is not in your vocabulary, except to throw around to fool the dim-witted hobbiest suckers who would follow you.

You told JP this: "Come down to Roanoke and find me." Isn't that inviting him to cross state lines to mix it up with you? Pull out that abusive language statute, cut and paste it here for us to review. I'm thinking your own language here might be covered by this statute, if such statute exists, and prosecutable, as you say -- especially since you've communicated this language electronically across state lines.

You told JP how big and bad and strong you are as a slumlord/hod carrier, hoisting those 80-pound bags of "concrete (masons uses mortar mix to lay bricks, BTW, dumbass, not concrete), and all that, to try and scare him off once you found out he's no "little teen punk," or whatever abusive language it was you used when you invited him to cross state lines to try and kick your fat ass.

So, I'm willing to pay JP's expenses, defend him in court, if necessary, and will do the same for anyone else willing to be his second, should JP be otherwise disinclined to cross all those state lines, in order to knock you off this high horse on which you imagine yourself and teach you a well earned lesson.

Why don't you gather that supposed staff of mouthpieces with briefcases that you claim keeps you out of prison and you can all go whine to the Virginia Attorney General or to the FBI that "White Will threatened me?"

Someone suggested I take up the offer myself.

Eschewing all such wrangling, I will say this: I'm doing my part to stick it to White another way. Let's hope it bears fruit!