That's an interesting excuse. When I said break the police lines I was asking why don't you take the fight to the counter-demonstrators when they inevitably throw stuff at you.

Maybe you don't understand this. We are not law breakers. Communists are law breakers.

Now, if the communists give us a lawful excuse and the police cannot or will not stop them, that is one thing. However, we do not go to demonstrations looking for a fight against anyone. The communists have the same lawful right to oppose us as we do to oppose them.

Plus, we don't need to take the fight to the counter demonstrators. We are not street thugs. We are not trying to infringe their rights. We show them up as what they are whenever they come out simply by behaving lawfully when they go nuts.

And I'm sure there are records to prove all of this right?

I did seven months in the Montgomery County Detention Center in 1997 for two counts of assault, four counts of resisting arrest, and carrying a concealed weapon.

White, out of curiousity with total sincerity, what would you NSM guys say if a group of WNs, citing reasons you gave in your last post to DTZ, came and physically drove your SA men out of Kingston. If say, half of National Vanguard came out there, told you to leave, you resisted, they beat your ass and throw you guys back to your vans or whatever- what would NSM say about National Vanguard from that point on? Keeping in mind that the NV thugs stated their reason was that they felt NSM's action was a threat to White Nationalism as you stated in your post.

I am not going to be dragged into making theoretical threats against theoretical enemies.

I think everyone knows how the NSM would respond to such an attack. I could not imagine any group winning a fight against NSM Stormtroopers, particularly followers of Kevin Strom.

You wouldn't be bothered if I were to kindly ask for some evidence of this?

I was acquitted of brandishing a firearm against the fellow last month -- Roanoke District Court. Check thec ourt website and type in my name.

Take your time, I'm currently fighting off a hoard of Dittoheads armed with pick-axes with a tripod-mounted .50 cal machine gun mounted on top of my bunker.

Playing video games huh?

You're right, I think I'm beginning to see. No way would a NON-"National Socialist" ever clear crackhead scum from properties that they own.

Most low income landlords love crackhouses. They take a cut of the money the crackhouse brings in, and protect the operation.

Don't you ever wonder how crackhouses manages to survive?

Wow, that sounds REALLY exciting!!! But...WHY are you HERE then? Especially when one of YOUR organization's members called for a boycott?! You think an organization that hands out military ranks would have a little more discipline and rigid structure.

Michael Blevins called for a boycott of VNN as an individual. There is not, to my knowledge, an NSM boycott of VNN. If the Commander issues an order to stay off of VNN, I'll be gone.

I'm 6'2" and about 230 lbs and I spent the day today hauling 80 lbs bags of concrete and laying bricks, and I can guarantee I've stomped tougher men that some loud mouthed teen on VNN forum.

Bad news Bill. You're five inches shorter and about 20 lbs lighter. And I haul my share of heavy equipment too. Oh yeah, and I'm not a teen- hope you're not disappointed.

That said, given that you're a kid and have no intention of backing up your mouth, I'd say a discussion of who can stomp who is a bit pointless.

Right Bill, any REAL man would take some time off from their busy schedule, purchase a plane ticket, fly across the country, get a rental car, buy some meals, all just because someone told him to. Yeah that happens ALL THE TIME BILL!!! The manifests of every commercial airliner are often LOADED with names of people who are on their way across the country to beat up someone who insulted them on the internet. The hospitality industry actually offers special DISCOUNTS to people traveling across state lines to physically attack someone(the federal government looks down on it though).

It is equally pointless Bill, to make accusations as to who "has no intention" of backing up their mouth. I have decided LONG ago that all internet threats against me MUST be made at MY convenience. I am sick of every loser behind a keyboard telling ME to come to them. If they had ANY balls at all they would just say, "Hey J.P., I'm on my way to Arizona to (Insert Idle threat here)" and that would be it. Oh yes, I think I have used the "come over here" ploy at least once(ask Frank Weltner), but at least in my case I have a written and stated POLICY on that issue. It's somewhere in the massive archive for this sort of thing.

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Yeah, cause Toledo was a huge flop.

I was impressed by your interview post Toledo. The more you post on this thread, the more of an idiot you make yourself out to be.

For example, I have posted over and over that Toledo was a propaganda victory for NSM. And you have the audacity to say that things fly over my head? For someone that thinks so much of himself, you are a disappointment to the rest of us. Best keep to yourself in order to maintain that massive ego.

I think the key words there are "that I think could kick my ass"

Like I said, there isn't a one of you that could.

Wow, are you missing something?

No, you are. You are actively and in this thread sabotaging the rally for potential goers that are reading this thread.

My point was to demonstrate your logical conclusion to show the ridiculousness of your position:

Wrong. I am always right, Bill. The sooner you learn that, the easier of a time you and I will have on this board, unless Linder bans you. I would have after the insults you have levied against him and other VNNers, you ungrateful prick. You are no different than a home invading nigger, or some guest that won't pick up after himself. You stroll into VNN and attack everyone. Vonbluvens was right, some people do jackoff on the keyboard and that would be you.

Are those opposed to the NSM so opposed to the uniforms they're willing to try to physically force our guys out?

Noone said that. You are the one that started babbling about "stomping the shit" out of other WNs.

If we really are the bane of white nationalism, shouldn't those guys be willing to do so, if they believe white nationalism to be that important?

Fake jew logic here. I will only say that I personally think that NSM has a place, although the more of your posts I see, the more I realize that Bill White really has no place in NSM. Perhaps supporting fag rights again might be more suitable for you.

What would be the consequences of doing so? Wouldn't it look ridiculous to the world to see Nazis fighting Nazis (because everyone who attends events like this are "Nazis", whether they like it or not)?

It would look ridiculous, so why are you starting it and egging it on? You should stop, you are making my jewdar go off. I have argued over and over with JP in support of NSM and this is the thanks that people get for taking up for NSM? You really are unstable.

Does any group out there want to take on the NSM? Does anyone think we wouldn't take a dim view of people assaulting our members?

You are the one that initiated the violence call, not us.

The ultimate conclusion being this:

Obviously its not in anyone's best interests to fight over it, so shut the fuck up. The NSM is going to be uniformed. If you don't want to rally with uniformed people, stay home. But stop wasting your breath telling us not to be who and what we are, because its like teaching a pig to dance -- it annoys us and gets you nowhere.

Go back and read my posts, dimwit.

I don't usually support psychology, but you might try a test for bipolar disorder. You are a mental case indeed.

Wow. If the point of what I said wasn't flying so clearly over your head, this might be worth responding to.

I didn't think you would tackle that one. Shall I dig up the Hal Turner Show on which Commander Schoep spoke of unity and in direct opposition to the divisiveness that you are creating in this thread?

Stop trying to fuck up the rally.

I don't care if you are in your uniforms. I just hope enough "regular" people show up to offset the inordinate amount of attention that NSM will receive for being in Nazi costumes.

It is equally pointless Bill, to make accusations as to who "has no intention" of backing up their mouth. I have decided LONG ago that all internet threats against me MUST be made at MY convenience. I am sick of every loser behind a keyboard telling ME to come to them.

You know what, I feel the same way.

Particularly when they are reacting to a statement designed to illustrate a ridiculous conclusion, and are unable to see it as ridiculous.

And if you're not a teenager, I'm not twice your age. I'm 28.

I am not going to be dragged into making theoretical threats against theoretical enemies.

I think everyone knows how the NSM would respond to such an attack. I could not imagine any group winning a fight against NSM Stormtroopers, particularly followers of Kevin Strom.

That's NOT what I was asking. You said to another poster that if other WNs think that NSM is somehow hurting "the cause" by going to the rally, they should try to physically stop you from doing so. Now what I want to know is if some hypothetical WN group did EXACTLY THAT, using THAT reasoning, what would NSM say about that group after the fact. It's a simple question.

This rally is an imitation of the NSM rally in Toledo.

National socialism leads. White cowards calling them "nationalists" but wanting to "play it safe" for "public relations" follow.

Bill White hit a grand slam with this comment. This is a copycat of the Toledo rally. The only difference is the NSM doesn't hide what they are about while Hal Turner keeps crying to the media that he isn't a supremacist or racist. The NSM stood there and call niggers, niggers... while Hal is trying to tell everyone, don't use the word "nigger".

If I were going to join an organization, it would be the NSM. Not because I agree with everything they do, but because they are the most honest group out there.

Like I said, there isn't a one of you that could.

See my remarks on theoretical internet battles.

All right -- next up -- Bon Jovi vs a blade of grass. Bon Jovi would scream, and the grass would get scared, but then, the grass would cut Bon Jovi, and he'd start running away ...

You are no different than a home invading nigger, or some guest that won't pick up after himself. You stroll into VNN and attack everyone. Vonbluvens was right, some people do jackoff on the keyboard and that would be you.

Good lord.

When you're ready to grow up, let me know.

You are the one that initiated the violence call, not us.

Again, someone completely lacking a sense of the ridiculous.

I didn't think you would tackle that one. Shall I dig up the Hal Turner Show on which Commander Schoep spoke of unity and in direct opposition to the divisiveness that you are creating in this thread?

The National Socialist Movement supports unity. Unity does not mean we support people who want to declare us "opposition" and force us out of the white nationalist scene.

I don't care if you are in your uniforms. I just hope enough "regular" people show up to offset the inordinate amount of attention that NSM will receive for being in Nazi costumes.

Try this thought:

If a few guys wearing uniforms are enough to focus the entire attention of the media on our organization, maybe there is something to the uniforms after all?

Do you think we wear them because they blend in with common street wear?

That's NOT what I was asking. You said to another poster that if other WNs think that NSM is somehow hurting "the cause" by going to the rally, they should try to physically stop you from doing so. Now what I want to know is if some hypothetical WN group did EXACTLY THAT, using THAT reasoning, what would NSM say about that group after the fact. It's a simple question.

We wouldn't we say anything ...

However, you are completely missing the point of what I was doing: which was illustrating the logical conclusion of the extreme anti-NSM statements and showing it to be ridiculous, and thus wrong.

How can I put this so you might understand?

If you're not so angry about the NSM uniforms that you are willing to fight our members and force them out of the rallies, then you don't really believe the NSM uniforms are that bad.

There. Does that help?

The media is praying that a people will show up in SS uniforms, so they can show the images of Nazi Germany and jew corpses on the screens while they raise their arms shouting Heil Hitler. If not one Swastika shows up it will throw them off guard to say the least, they may still show the images but if no one is in Nazi uniforms then it will look out of place. And if more and more of these types of rallies happen with no Nazi uniforms I doubt the media will continue to show and portray us as Nazi's, just a hate group. I feel we need to distance ourselves from the Hitler and Nazi symbols.

My feelings on this doesn't mean I don't care for Hitler or Nazi Germany, or Hitlers vision. I just feel in this political climate these symbols damage us more than help us. I also have to say if anyone shows up to be photographed on national television, no matter what they're wearing has more courage than I do at this point in time. I'm in no position to go to rallies like this being portrayed as a Nazi. For one thing I wouldnt' have a job tomorrow, and I have to think of my family.

The faster these symbols dissapear the faster people will join this movement.

See my remarks on theoretical internet battles.

All right -- next up -- Bon Jovi vs a blade of grass. Bon Jovi would scream, and the grass would get scared, but then, the grass would cut Bon Jovi, and he'd start running away ...

Ahh...I see you are very culturally aware, particularly in the realm of the 90's.... You're starting to win my favor....

When you're ready to grow up, let me know.

Do grown-ups wear berets at their computer?

The National Socialist Movement supports unity. Unity does not mean we support people who want to declare us "opposition" and force us out of the white nationalist scene.

See my hypothetical question about that.

Try this thought:

If a few guys wearing uniforms are enough to focus the entire attention of the media on our organization, maybe there is something to the uniforms after all?

Do you think we wear them because they blend in with common street wear?

The problem is that the image the media is focusing on will totally sever the public from the message. They will see the same old movie-Nazi of old, and never take the time to actually READ anything about National Socialist ideology.

Bill White hit a grand slam with this comment. This is a copycat of the Toledo rally. The only difference is the NSM doesn't hide what they are about while Hal Turner keeps crying to the media that he isn't a supremacist or racist. The NSM stood there and call niggers, niggers... while Hal is trying to tell everyone, don't use the word "nigger".

If I were going to join an organization, it would be the NSM. Not because I agree with everything they do, but because they are the most honest group out there.

Thank you.

And with that I'm headed to bed. Argue amongst yourselves.

Just got home from work. It may not seem like it to all those who have been participating in this thread from the start, but this is some the silliest shit I have ever read.

Guys on here threatening each other, bragging about beating up cops, how much money they have made. I'd laugh my ass off, but the Jews and Feds have beat me to it, I am sure.

I think Bill White is getting a big kick out of pulling all your chains about the NSM showing up in uniform for this rally. I am sure he is enjoying the caterwauling and hysteria of grown men. While I am sure that Bill White and the rest of NSM are truly convinced that they don't need any of us, I think they will do the right thing at the Kingston rally.

It does not appear that Hal Turner thinks this a real big issue 2 days from the rally, so I am sure an agreement of some sort has been reached between him and the NSM. What that agreement is, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. :cheers:

You said to another poster that if other WNs think that NSM is somehow hurting "the cause" by going to the rally,

I think the NSM is by far the most honest group out there. While Hal Turner says one thing on his website then tries to cry to the media he isn't a racist or supremacist, the NSM is outright about being racist and supremacist. 3 weeks ago, Hal said violence solves everything, then calls for a peaceful march. The NSM doesn't flip-flop like little Hal does. You know what you get with the NSM.

Hal Turner is the one trying to be politically correct. The NSM doesn't try to be.