Anyone who does not relocate will die with the niggers spicks, and jews. Plus you will see your kids attacked raped, turned gay, or breed with niggers or spicks. What you would not relocte Idiots. You like living with MUDS that much huh? Some Aryan you are, your family must be proud.

I don't see how a civil war is our only possible solution. If what you say is true then why would the Jew hasten our civil war. If civil war is what the jew wants, that's what I don't want.

Let me ask you something, do you expect every single non-White in this country to just up and leave without a fight? You must be stark-raving mad to believe that any "movement" or "White political party" is going to save this country, let alone Whites worldwide.

Billy Bob= There are not a bunch of jews sitting in some skyrise in New York, working together on a plan to destroy us. You have the same atttitude as many that I have met within these circles, that the jew, is primarily to blame for our disfunction as a society. As a people in general. By using the jew as your scapegoat, you are admitting they are smarter than us, and are defeating us. I agree that they are a disgusting creature at best, and are unpleasant in our midst, but do not "blame" them for our faults. Our fore-fathers had a nice little plan 200 years ago Billy, but none of that is relevant now. We are a changed people. We have done this to ourselves. We allowed the jew to infest back then, just as Bush is allowing the Mexicans to infest today. WE, are to blame. I have this silly notion that a great suffering is needed in order to bring us back to morality. Kicking the jew out of America is not going to suddenly solve our problems. It may help, but it will be our own people, who we will find to be our biggest obstacle, just as it is now.

I would like to clarify a few things for you.

1. I am not a "lone wolf". That is a gay assumption.
2. When I said "Buy as many weapons as possible", I don't need someone to remind me that there are restrictions. "As many as possible"= did you catch that?
3. I am not looking for people to follow my ideals.
4. I have accepted the fact that a Civil War is coming. Our multi-cultural Amerikwa is the perfect breeding ground for an ethnic war.
5. The jews did not put flouride in our water to make us stupid so they could sieze power. If you think that, you are a retard.
6. I can't, and won't claim that I represent all Whites, I am just a realist, and see things that need to happen.
7. An "armed uprising" is exactly what needs to happen. I don't want to start it nor see it, but needs to happen.
8. You think the most important issue are rights being infringed, I think the most important issue is morality being infringed. Maybe someday we can meet in the middle.

I don't disagree with everything you say, I just see things in a more primitive way if you will. Politics got us were we are. It all needs to be smashed to start over. Hopefully someday I will be able to defend a great White thinker who leads us on a path to human renewal. Until then, I will take care of my own.

Let me ask you something, do you expect every single non-White in this country to just up and leave without a fight?

If they could be persuaded to come, they could be persuaded to leave.

Perhaps I am stark-raving mad. But I will maintain that people can and do change the world. Should I be so daring as to suggest that perhaps one person could change the world? Yes.

I personally doubt the efficacy of a white nationalist party or candidates for that matter. But if people want to try, that's their gig.

If you don't see specific zionist Jews conspiring against our culture of modest healthy norms. Fine. I can't explain 1000 coincidences other than by specific design. Are they sitting in a skyrise in New York? No they are here, there, and everywhere.

I don't believe the jew is the problem of the individual white man, that would mean the white man was not being responsible or accountable for his life. The Jew is responsible for poisoning our culture, the white man's culture, and targeting our innocent youth with their predatory de-naturing of our white race.

I don't use them as a scapegoat and I don't think they are smarter. I do think they are more devious. They haven't defeated us yet.

True the constitution has been frittered away through the corrupt courts. The people of the land still hold it dear to their hearts and they live by it, it's technically still alive and well with many staunch supporters. These fellers have guns too.

We are to blame for not holding our elected representatives to their hollow promises. Kicking the jew out doesn't solve all of the problems, but they certainly need to be removed from positions of power and influence. The lemmings are the ones who will be a problem, that's why some are trying to wake them up.

Lemmings will follow anybody and all of the different birds will some day flock together again. Maybe they wont have to leave the country all at once. If they traveled here, they can travel back.

The way you talk negatively about organization, only leads me to believe you might be a preferred lone wolf type. When I hear people screaming buy more guns. Buy as many as you can. It just makes me wonder is all. If that is really a good Idea.

The retardation due to flouridation is just an unrelated bonus for the jews. I'm sure that wasn't their power seizure blitzing tactic. But thanks for suggesting I might be a retard. I guess that's a slight bit better than being stark-raving mad.

Hey Mag I'm no stockpiler, but better to stockpile ammo than guns. Plenty of guns to be had when the SHF, but ammo comes up short. That is what experts say. Experts such as one Col Jeff Cooper.

about this thread: it's really long and rambling and honest, I just dont get it. Its like a joke without a punchline. Is there a point?

Mr Billy Bob, I've got this "performance art" feeling about your stuff-- care to explain? Thanks

Hey Is there a point?

Mr Billy Bob, I've got this "performance art" feeling about your stuff-- care to explain? Thanks

A.E., since you have disabled your private message function and will not receive emails either, I will litter this thread with a personal response to you. Other readers, please be not offended by this minor infraction of the forum's guidelines.

I started this particular thread in an foolish attempt to gather a consensus among vnn posters. As you have seen before, the posters in this forum have a hard time being sincere and keeping to topic. There are many people who distract, slander, and attempt to confuse the issues.

Regarding your "feelings" about my stuff, my postings, I'm assuming, I would be happy to try to give you an answer. What's the question?

Is "performance art" your personal code for "Bullshit Artist". If so, then Yes, I am a bullshit artist as you suggest. Most would agree everything I've posted is total bullshit. But very "artistic" bullshit eh?

The only point is to discuss the problems in an attempt to find solutions. We all have different problems with different solutions for each one of us.

You are correct with your advice to Mag. Powder, primers, casings, re-loading dies. Lots of machine shops in billy bob land, no problem in that area, in our northwest enclaves. But ammo could become scarce in other locales, on the legal market. Any supply will always be available somewhere if there is a demand, bogus laws or no bogus laws. Where there is a will, there is a way!

No, Stay and fight, have a few close friends and fight back, all orgs are filled with informants, specially the klan and the NA.

A.E., since you have disabled your private message function and will not receive emails either, I will litter this thread with a personal response to you. Other readers, please be not offended by this minor infraction of the forum's guidelines.

I started this particular thread in an foolish attempt to gather a consensus among vnn posters. As you have seen before, the posters in this forum have a hard time being sincere and keeping to topic. There are many people who distract, slander, and attempt to confuse the issues.

Regarding your "feelings" about my stuff, my postings, I'm assuming, I would be happy to try to give you an answer. What's the question?

Is "performance art" your personal code for "Bullshit Artist". If so, then Yes, I am a bullshit artist as you suggest. Most would agree everything I've posted is total bullshit. But very "artistic" bullshit eh?

The only point is to discuss the problems in an attempt to find solutions. We all have different problems with different solutions for each one of us. ...
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OK thanks for the reply. I still dont get it. Seems to me like everything around here needs more structure. How about isolating some specific proposals? NW imperative has been shot down. Start a new thread with some specific items. But some of those alternatives were goofy. LIke the militia bullshit one. Apparently there's plenty of people out there who still believe they can be a citizen of a state and not the federal union. I find that amusing. Or that they arent subject to income tax or licenses tags for their cars. Kee-riste, is that crap for real? The fringe on the flag crap?

So I would ask for some specific and realistic proposals to be debated.

OK thanks for the reply. I still dont get it. Seems to me like everything around here needs more structure. How about isolating some specific proposals?

Would you like me to draft a procedure manual?

NW imperative has been shot down.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that? Who has shot it down? When was it shot down? Why was it shot down? Where was it shot down? How was it shot down?

There is a very real phenomenon called "white Flight" that is increasing in numbers as we speak. People are re-locating to white enclaves where ever they can find them. Even more-so now that Bush is personally inviting every poverty-stricken brown alien to feed at the public trough. Just wait a few months and then watch the numbers. There will be a huge trickle-down effect.

The Pacific Northwest is primarily white, conservative, pro-gun, pro-god, pro-constitution, pro-earth, pro-naturalism, pro-evolution, pro-white european values. Fifth generation homesteaders still have pictures of George Washington in their living rooms right along side of ancient copies of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

These people are about as self-sufficient as you can possibly be in husbandry, farming, and living healthy and "Free". Not to suggest these people are not affluent. Some would like to suggest we are all stupid hillbillies. Not all of us. Some have chosen to preserve the old and simple ways. These people could survive without a welfare check, with out electricity, with-out gasoline, with-out government.

As far as taking over a voting block, by force, for the purposes of voting white nationalists into office, I doubt that will happen. That was Harold's plan right?

The lemmings have been conditioned by the Jew to cringe at the sign of Hitler or a swastika. They will never support a Hitler loving Swastika bearing White nationalist unless we play the jew's own game of "hiding our true intentions". Through deception we will wage war, just like the Jew. A closet nationalist might win on a semitically-correct platform. If enough of these closet nationalists could take multi-level positions of power, at the given saturation point, they could all cooperate to achieve our white-nationalist goals.

The aryan nations have been ridiculed and for the most part neutralized in the minds of the lemmings in the pacific northwest. They have the reputation of being filled with federal agents and jewish antagonists. They have formed new groups and are restructuring. They could be successfull harvesting the jewish controlled christian churches, but even if they are, there are alot of evolutionists and free thinkers up here as well. Cosmotheologists would find like minded kindred spirits as well as racial brethren in the Great White Northwest. Having said that there are many in the C.I. movement and that doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. They are targeting a group that most on this board have given up on. If they successfully re-cruit to our side, then more power to them. I think that the many underlings that genuine C.I. believers and teachers attract should be seen as our potential comrads and allies, if they are seeking the truth regarding what our struggle is all about. I'm sure C.I. adherants are not going to want to kill their "white" brothers who don't have exactly the same world view that they do. Especially when they realize they need our help just as much as we need theirs.

Start a new thread with some specific items.

I have started a few threads, specifically dealing with better moderation.
Establishing a better visible heirarchy so newbies know who to trust.
Perhaps those specific threads were buried with too many bullshit threads like "Sucked dick" from OWG in the music section?

But some of those alternatives were goofy. LIke the militia bullshit one.

I don't recall typing the word "militia" once in any of my posts. Please reproduce the quote and refresh my memory. This would be my first time typing that word in this forum in my response to you. I think you may have a case of mistaken identity. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Apparently there's plenty of people out there who still believe they can be a citizen of a state and not the federal union. I find that amusing. Or that they arent subject to income tax or licenses tags for their cars. Kee-riste, is that crap for real? The fringe on the flag crap?

It may be amusing indeed, but their armed numbers are growing by the minute and they believe a civil war is inevitable. Some of the concepts are not crap. Or? please demonstrate which crappy concepts you're refferring to? They're apparantly valid arguments since people are being persuaded to embrace the concepts with their outcomes. Please re-read this brief summary on the commercial courts. There's a ton of info on the web, but these are good.

http://www.loghomebuilders.org/blankpage4.html

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=13639#post13639

So I would ask for some specific and realistic proposals to be debated.

We'll get right on it. Thanks to you for your thoughtful contribution.

I voted:

Because its the truth. We are going down, hard. Every man for themselves. I'm taking mine and heading for the hills to get away from the muds in america.

You better stay in los angeles goat boy .I am already in the hills that you plan to run to .The "every man for themself "mentality wont fly with the locals up here .
What a simple minded idiot you must be to think you will be able to waltz into the mountains when things get rough .Do you know how to hunt ?Have you ever even fired a gun ?Do you know how to grow food for yourself ?Do you have any skills that would convince me to allow you on my mountain?
You better check your attitude before you go running to the hills .

Dont worry we got shooting ranges out here. And Ive seen plenty of mexicans that are far scarier than you could ever be with your little hunting bb gun and tin foil hat.

Dont be so sure of yourself. When you least expect it when your wiping your ass behind a tree you might get ambushed by a round to the head.

Dont squeeze the charmin.

The Declaration of Independence was written as propaganda. The ideas in it are unrealistic and destructive and we would be more fortunate if it had remained forgotten in the State Department Archives, as it was until 1840 when Secretary of State Daniel Webster took it out and put it on display in the National Portrait Gallery.

Communism was not invented by Karl Marx. There were other ideas of communism before Marxism crowded them out.

It must be nice to sit around dreaming of a political escape from our current path. I am glad some of you are willing to carry the useless baggage of the past, and dream up some "new constitution" or a re-vamp of laws and finances.

Something that always bothered me about " White " organizations was that the pretense was there, but nobody wanted to talk about it. The pretense being that we (as a collective entity) will not amount to squat until there is a complete breakdown of the old system. Fuck the constitution. Some of you act like our fore-fathers were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some of you act like the jew snuck over here and planted some brainwashing juice in our drinking supply. We have no comprehension of the things that need to take place, in order for enough White people to follow some of our ideals.

A Civil War. Nothing less. A WAR brought upon by extreme measures that result in extreme actions. We sit cozy behind our stucko walls and sit our fat-asses behind a junky computer and preach about what needs to happen. What needs to happen is taking place RIGHT NOW. WORSE IS BETTER!

To even question White men, as to what they are willing "to do", is reason enough to lay claim that you see no hope in our current dealings with society. Sure, any of us can sit around and boo-hoo about "rights" being taken away and how creepy the jew is (and to blame for all of this also).

Yes, I know, you scared little Wal-Mart happy minions know damn good and well not to talk about an armed uprising. Nobody talking about THAT in a National Alliance meeting!

Do your part kinsman, volly behind some "political" party, join some group of misfits who think gassing the jew is the answer to White mans survival. Whatever floats YOUR boat. Right?

Here is what I am going to do Billyboy=

I am going to buy as many weapons as possible.
I am going to become as self-sufficiant as possible.
I am going to teach my children.
I am going to pretend that I have no rights in this country, and keep certian things to myself.
I am going to teach anyone who I think has the common sense enough, about what to expect, and what needs to be done to survive.
I am going to steer-clear of any wierd ass club, whos members are only BEGGING to be locked up in a dungeon.
I am going to take care of my family, my friends and as many people who deserve it as possible.

All White people are not worth saving. I am not going to condemn myself, in order to "wake up" useless White idiots. I hope that after things settle down, I will meet Whites who share the same moral compass as myself, and an ideal will start to materialize. Until then, there are more important issues that will have to be dealt with. Not some lame-ass constitution or boycott.

Real things that make real people.

I think that this is one of the best posts I've seen. It answers the question that each of us should ask -- What should we do for our People? The first rightful answer is, "Don't be a problem for our People by being a net asset to our own People first.

There is time and a place for everything, including political action. But first each and every single one of us must look to the safety of our families, our friends, and our communities insofar as such are worthy. It is our duty to see that charity begins at home.

We must never work towards saving ZOG or ZOGlings, regardless of whether the whiggers have 'white' hides or not. We don't want Evil Empire Lite, but rather no Evil Empire at all. Nature is a Nazi, and Nature should be allowed to take its course. We never should get in the way of Nature lest it crush us. There is no saving ZOG. We should not even try.

As an Identity Christian, I am told that there should be no saving Babylon as such belongs to Satan and Satan's spawn, biological like the jews, or adoptive, like the whiggers and non-whites. Therefore we should not act in 'jewnitty' to create structures which can be infiltraited and destroyed by ZOGlings, but rather in our political efforts create a 'network' in which the general sense of anti-jew is covered by all, yet there are no strongpoints which can be isolated and destroyed. Political activity is local, and should be locally carried our by local leadership. There can not be any 'fuerherprinzep' because such leads to covingtonistaism. Nor can there be anarchy for the sake of anarchy, for such leads to every little billwhite running wild scamming ZOG-bux.

--Martin Lindstedt

P.S. I was led to this thread by BillyBob. I think that BillyBob has a lot of enthusiasm, which is good, but little experience, which means that hopefully he will learn by thinking things through for a bit. --M.L.

Dear Robert:

1) NW imperative is not White flight. White flight is Whites leaving ethnic city neighborhoods beset by incoming groid invasion. White flight goes to the suburbs. White flight is an interesting topic but it is totally different than NW imperative. NW imperative is a sort of "tristates philosophy" such as described in the apocalyptic fiction of William Johnstone, an old survivalist/militia fave, except adjusted for WN consumption. I have shot it down extensively at the White politics section, but I am just one in a long line of people usually exposing HAC. I assume you're not HAC. I also assume you're not advocating NW imperative because you havent posted in the White politics section where it's discussed. I'm not reiterating all of what I've previously explained at length except to say White people will move from downtown to the suburbs, but they wont move from the suburbs to the "NW." Not unless they've got a job with Microsoft and we know those jobs are all getting outsourced to fucking India. If you want to discuss NW imperative, there are plenty of threads over at White politics section to continue. Poke a hole in my response over there, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

2) I dont know if it was you or somebody else spouting the militia bullshit, but I'll spell it out like this.
a) the "zog" as it is called, ie the United States Government, is the ultimate sovereign in this land like it or not.
b) anybody born here is a US citizen like it or not. You can renounce your federal citizenship, which is sometimes done by richies for income tax reasons, but it must be done acc to federal guidelines and not by following some bullshit erroneous "sovereign citizen" manual one picked up at a gunshow alongside the George Hayduke series whilst looking for Turner Diaries.
c) fringe on the flag: who cares?
d) commercial court: what are you talking about? there are state courts and federal courts and there are state and federal administrative courts. these are divided into different categories like small claims or probate or bankruptcy or whatever. I've heard of the UCC but never this, except from some ridiculous shortwave radio program or on some looney web page like the ones where those fuckers sell you a $500 manual on how to fuck up your tax return and get thrown in jail. Sovereign citizen bullshit, essentially.
e) "common law courts" where a bunch of bozos "issue warrants" for the arrest of judicial officers and file liens on people at the recorder's office: total fucking bullshit. If you or anybody is going to issue warrants, you'd better have the county sherriff or federal magistrate with you or you'll end up in the clink. if somebody files bullshit liens, they'd better watch out or they'll be on the end of real lawsuits not fake ones.
f) lots of bozos buy into this shit because they are poorly educated suckers being exploited by Jews in sheep's clothing more often than one might imagine. Like the income tax shithead who told people the income tax only applied to corporations and foreigners. JEEEZUZ give me a break.
h) black helicopter shit-- self-explanatory. stick to the real aliens controlling our government-- the JEws. We dont need to worry about UFOs thank you we've got real aliens to worry about.

If I've offended you I'm sorry but in the world of conspiracy theories and militia bullshit, it's all marks and conmen. WN is a cut above that, mercifully. I'll try my damndest to keep people sane and legal so that our powder is dry for when we need it.

White flight goes to the suburbs.

Me and "many" like me have travelled 1000 miles from the inner-cities to the deep woods in the Pacific Northwest. We are all White-flighters.

I assume you're not HAC.

That should be obvious for those who are paying attention.

I also assume you're not advocating NW imperative. ...they wont move from the suburbs to the "NW."

Birds of a feather should flock together. I have advocated and will continue to advocate that whites should come "home" to a 99% white community that is not plagued with violence and multi-racial degradation, especially the elderly and children who are weak and cannot defend themselves. I especially think it would be wise for white parents with young children to re-locate to a "safe-zone". In the Pacific Northwest there are many of these communities. The Pacific Northwest region is not the only area with 99% white communities. There are others. The "Great White NorthWest SafeZone" is perhaps, geographically, one of the best places in the lower 48 for those fleeing the inner-cities of California and other neighboring states. It's self-sustaining. There are plenty of wide-open spaces. There's plenty of room for growth. It's obviously not for everybody, but I've seen this area explode with new growth in the last 5 years. Mostly white-flight growth from california.

2) I dont know if it was you or somebody else spouting the militia bullshit, but I'll spell it out like this.
a) the "zog" as it is called, ie the United States Government, is the ultimate sovereign in this land like it or not.

So you believe the Federal Government has more authority and real power than the individual States combined?

b) anybody born here is a US citizen like it or not. You can renounce your federal citizenship, which is sometimes done by richies for income tax reasons, but it must be done acc to federal guidelines and not by following some bullshit erroneous "sovereign citizen" manual one picked up at a gunshow alongside the George Hayduke series whilst looking for Turner Diaries.
c) fringe on the flag: who cares?
d) commercial court: what are you talking about? there are state courts and federal courts and there are state and federal administrative courts. these are divided into different categories like small claims or probate or bankruptcy or whatever. I've heard of the UCC but never this, except from some ridiculous shortwave radio program or on some looney web page like the ones where those fuckers sell you a $500 manual on how to fuck up your tax return and get thrown in jail. Sovereign citizen bullshit, essentially.

One way to legally opt out is through the Commercial Court System which is Identified by the "GOLD" fringed Admiralty Flag of Maritime Law, not to be confused with a "common law" court spoken of in the constitution. You say you've heard about the commercial code, have you read it? Here are a few of the relevant sections of the code, speaking directly to the topic we are discussing. Should only take a few minutes to read, perhaps longer to absorb the necessary understanding.

http://www.loghomebuilders.org/blankpage4.html

...in the world of conspiracy theories and militia bullshit, it's all marks and conmen. I'll try my damndest to keep people sane and legal so that our powder is dry for when we need it.

There are no real conspiracies. People never have conspired and will never conspire together. We are all much too dis-trusting for that. Those people who suggest such, are mere lunatics, mentally disturbed individuals, people who spend countless hours typing secret coded messages to, so-called, strangers on, so-called, white nationalist forums. Of course we all know 2+2=5.

In all seriousness, There are bullshit con-artists everywhere, especially in white nationalist circles. Most of us know this.

In a world where wrong is right, maybe you should keep us insane? Will you personally keep people "legal" as they give up their children, their possessions, and their "will to live freely" to report to the nearest concentration/work camps where they will start their new careers? New laws are passed every day that make more and more of us "Felons yet to be incarcerated". If you have managed to give, give, and "give even more" of your personal freedom, to stay "legal", well then welcome to the FFA. "Future Felons of America". If your not a Felon yet, you will be. Have you read the proposed new laws, just waiting to enacted? Perhaps you should.

This is a damn fine post from Magnus from about 2 years ago. I am reposting it because of it's overall excellence and depth of understanding of the White dilemma. Thanks Magnus

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It must be nice to sit around dreaming of a political escape from our current path. I am glad some of you are willing to carry the useless baggage of the past, and dream up some "new constitution" or a re-vamp of laws and finances.

Something that always bothered me about " White " organizations was that the pretense was there, but nobody wanted to talk about it. The pretense being that we (as a collective entity) will not amount to squat until there is a complete breakdown of the old system. Fuck the constitution. Some of you act like our fore-fathers were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some of you act like the jew snuck over here and planted some brainwashing juice in our drinking supply. We have no comprehension of the things that need to take place, in order for enough White people to follow some of our ideals.

A Civil War. Nothing less. A WAR brought upon by extreme measures that result in extreme actions. We sit cozy behind our stucko walls and sit our fat-asses behind a junky computer and preach about what needs to happen. What needs to happen is taking place RIGHT NOW. WORSE IS BETTER!

To even question White men, as to what they are willing "to do", is reason enough to lay claim that you see no hope in our current dealings with society. Sure, any of us can sit around and boo-hoo about "rights" being taken away and how creepy the jew is (and to blame for all of this also).

Yes, I know, you scared little Wal-Mart happy minions know damn good and well not to talk about an armed uprising. Nobody talking about THAT in a National Alliance meeting!

Do your part kinsman, volly behind some "political" party, join some group of misfits who think gassing the jew is the answer to White mans survival. Whatever floats YOUR boat. Right?

Here is what I am going to do Billyboy=

I am going to buy as many weapons as possible.
I am going to become as self-sufficiant as possible.
I am going to teach my children.
I am going to pretend that I have no rights in this country, and keep certian things to myself.
I am going to teach anyone who I think has the common sense enough, about what to expect, and what needs to be done to survive.
I am going to steer-clear of any wierd ass club, whos members are only BEGGING to be locked up in a dungeon.
I am going to take care of my family, my friends and as many people who deserve it as possible.

All White people are not worth saving. I am not going to condemn myself, in order to "wake up" useless White idiots. I hope that after things settle down, I will meet Whites who share the same moral compass as myself, and an ideal will start to materialize. Until then, there are more important issues that will have to be dealt with. Not some lame-ass constitution or boycott.

Real things that make real people.