I'm taking a class online this semester and it's a requirement for us to "discuss" issues on a message board which is integrated into the class assignments and such. You're supposed to start at least one thread, and respond to a couple others.

It's a great opportunity to shut down the liberal regurgitators in this class and make them feel stupid for parroting the same old BS they hear on MTV.

This assignment was to discuss the changing demographics of this country and it's impact on Human Resources. One of the suggestions was the increasing minority composition of the workforce...I took that one and ran with it.

Here's the thread I started:

Illegal mexican immigrants are greatly changing our workforce. From landscaping and construction jobs to cleaning services, the cheap ILLEGAL labor from Mexico is quickly becoming the service industry's dirty little secret. I've worked with illegal mexicans and the way it basically works is that the mexican who speaks the most english is the leader of all the other mexicans. Even the lead mexican speaks only rudimentary english, enough to understand what the boss wants done.

With the service industry making up over 80% of jobs in our economy I wonder what implications having people who speak little to no english as employees will have on customer service and satisfaction in the future.

How will customers convey dissatisfaction or concerns to people who don't understand what they are saying?

How will safety concerns be addressed when one of the parties has no concept of such things and speaks no english?

President bush wants to legitimize illegal mexican labor by passing a "guest worker bill". Right now there are many laws which are being broken especially in regards to safety because the employers are breaking the law by employing illegal immigrants anyway.

How will guest workers be regulated in the future? And will this regulation make using illegal mexican laborers less attractive to businesses?

I was so hoping for some little turd like this to reply to my (what he probably thought of as racist) thread. Here is the reply:

I am from Arizona. Since Arizona is so close to the border, I see Mexicans that do a lot of work such as landscaping and cleaning jobs. I understand that this may present problems for customers as you say, but there is a question everyone needs to ask themselves. Would they want to do the jobs that some of these guys are doing? The idea I have is that most Americans do not want to do the jobs the Mexicans are doing because they believe that type of work is beneath, while the Mexicans enjoy doing the work and getting paid what they get paid.

This situation is very similar to the outsourcing of telephone centers like previously mentioned. They outsourced those positions because they can pay someone in India to do the job for a significantly cheaper salary. The difference is that the Mexicans our actually in our country. I watched a show about the outsourcing of telephone centers and many people were upset, but not many are upset about giving up a landscaping job in the Arizona summer when it is over 100 degrees. I think the question then becomes are we being to picky? It appears that we prefer jobs that have less physical stress. If we do take a physical job, we tend to complain for hours. I am just saying this from experience. At my job at home, we have Mexicans that work in the kitchen where it can get up to I would guess 90 degrees, but the only ones that seem to complain are the servers that come in and out for a brief moment.

I just thought I would state this so we have the other side of the perspective, because that is part of HR position. The HR position has to consider all perspectives and determine which is best suited for the situation.

My reply back to him

Your idea that mexicans do jobs americans don't want to do is totally fallacious and is the tenet of the pro-illegal immigration movement in this country. The fact that so many people hold views similar to yours is SCARY and views like yours are dangerous in this day and age.

First of all you must have missed part of my post because I'm a white american and I got a job with a contractor who hires almost exclusively illegal mexicans. I'm a white american that WANTED "to do a job only mexicans will do". It was a hard job, but it paid decent for a young college student (definitely not worth what the job entailed) and I learned a lot.

I wasn't accepted back the next summer at that particular job because it was cheaper and easier for the boss to hire illegal immigrant criminals.

One of the biggest things I learned was that your heinous notion that "Americans won't do these type of jobs" is complete nonsense. Americans WILL do these jobs. Unfortunately our lax border enforcement and the way these mexicans live while they are in our country is the reason why Americans can no longer afford to do these jobs.

Most of the mexicans I was forced to work with lived in a house of probably at least 20 other mexicans. Chances are the house they are living in is being subsidized by section 8 so they pay NO boarding expenses while in this country. And because they pay no taxes they can survive on the extremely low wages they recieve for their work. Not only can they survive, they make a very good living milking off the government and tax payer dollars.

Prior to 1965 there was very little immigration into this country. Between 1925 and 1965 immigration levels were so low the amount of immigrants living in our country actually declined, there was an emmigration of immigrants from the US.

Despite these drastic immigration statistics this was an extremely vibrant and healthy period for our economy. AMERICANS did the jobs then that you say they won't do now. AMERICANS cut their own grass, AMERICANS washed dishes, AMERICANS did everything that is now done by illegal immigrant labor. AMERICANS WILL do these jobs, it's the fault of our government and capitalistic society that Americans have been forced out of these occupations because they can't compete with the cheap ILLEGAL labor.

Don't forget, once these mexicans and anyone else steps foot onto our soil they are CRIMINALS. The idea that says "well they are already here" is dangerous in that it totally degrades our border policy and our national security.

My job was physical and it was hot. Working on roofs outside in 90+ degree heat isn't pleasant but I did the work and did it well. Don't tell me that Americans aren't strong enough to do these jobs because I'm telling you that I'm an American and I DID the job.

A person in the HR position who accepts the work of illegal labor is BREAKING THE LAW and should be sent to prison.

So there's my perspective on your perspective.

Next Reply from Him

I did not mean to offend you in my post. I am not saying all Americans are not willing to do the jobs and I am surely not saying that Americans are incapable. How many times are you around people that complain about household chores. Well, when working with many of my co-workers, they would always comment on how they would never do the jobs that the mexicans were doing. I commend the fact you are a hard worker, but that is not the case with everyone.
I am not condoning illegal immigration or labor. You stated prior to 1965 there was very little immigration because Americans were willing to do all the jobs that Mexicans do now. Do you not believe times have changed since 1965? I do not believe many homes prior to 1965 had dishwashers in them. In that case if you are comparing 1965 to 2005, I think that will be rather difficult. I believe it will be a while before the situation of illegal immigration/labor is worked out. We still have other issues that need to be sorted out such as the war currently going on.

Last reply from me

Well it is offensive to tell me that mexicans do jobs Americans don't want to do when I was pushed out of a JOB I WANTED TO DO by cheap illegal mexican labor.

What does complaining have to do with getting a job done? Have you ever seen the movie office space? Everyone hates their jobs, not just people who do manual labor for a living.

People say that "they won't do the jobs mexicans do" because mexicans get paid HALF or less of what an american citizen would expect to make for the same job and that isn't a bad thing. This country is famous for it's high wages. Being able to live the american dream doing everyday jobs like cutting grass or packing meat or washing dishes is a sign of a healthy country and economy. China on the other hand is famous for having workers who make a dollar a day.

This idea that we have to compete in our own country for good paying jobs is non-sense, it's like capitalism gone insane. All americans able and willing to work for a living should be able to make a respectable living doing so.

What is the definition of a "Job an American won't do"?

What if an owner of a denny's had a sign outside of his restaurant advertising a dishwashing position for 1$ an hour. What if no one responded to that ad for a month and the owner then said "well...guess this is a job americans just won't do". Is that a correct statement? Of course not, no one would do any job in america for a dollar...not even a mexican. There are however millions of chinese making less than this in china. Maybe this is a job for the chinese!

That is an extreme example, but it's not far from the truth. And when you deal with illegal labor the minimum wage doesn't come into the equation.

The point is...our government is endorsing this extremely cheap illegal labor and Presidente boosh is courting these illegals in the media by trying to push "guest worker" programs and other complete nonsense.

Oh and if you think you're safe because you don't want to do manual labor for a living, guess again. College educated people in India and Singapore are lining up to do jobs like yours for half of what you would expect to recieve. Oh and not only are they cheaper, they look great for companies that require a certain amount of "diversity". White Americans are increasingly getting screwed out of work for being just that.

I don't want to work for a dollar an hour. Maybe you do? Maybe we should ship a bunch of chinese over here. Hell, they would work for 2 dollars an hour and it would be like almost double the pay!

Don't even get me started on the pointless stupid war which is absolutely screwing every single tax paying citizen of this country.

The idiot in the white house should have declared war on illegal immigration and put all those troops on the border.

Just having some fun with these lemmings. Hopefully there are a few people reading this stuff.