In response to GDWG

Thanks for the complement Burrhus. If we buy Palestine, we are still left with the question "What do we do with all of these Jews?"

As stated in my article, the jews would all be confined to live in Israel.

If this was to be implemented we would need several, strong, White-Nationalist governments throughout Europe and the Western Hemisphere to spearhead this, along with help from the Arabs as well.

My article was primarily about what we will do after White Nationalists come to power in the White Nations. How that will be achieved is a different question.

Also stated in my article was my belief that the world may be facing a global catastrophy which may create the conditions necessary to expose the jews and strip them of their power. This may or may not occur. If it doesn't, then we can continue with Antiochus' plan to spread the truth through various media and build organizations prepared to take advantage of any opportunity which may arise to dis-empower the jews.

But that is the question of how. As you write, "we would need several, strong, White-Nationalist governments throughout Europe and the Western Hemisphere to spearhead this". My question is, what plan do you or any other readers have to bring about a White Nationalist government in the face of jewish domination as it is now? How do you intend to resolve the conundrum that seems to be inherent in such a suggestion? It seems that a White Nationalist government is needed to remove the jews from power and that the removal from power of the jews is required for a White Nationalist government come to power.

This is an interesting dilemma that deserves serious discussion. There must be some way to resolve it and I suggested to Brutus that he start a thread precisely devoted to that discussion. Perhaps you could do that.

I suspect that the mostl likely occurrence that could bring this about is some social catastrophy caused by the jews over-reaching their abilty to control events. It is also possible that Antiochus' plan might achieve the desired end. But that is a discussion for your new thread.

This one is about what to do after that.

With the White Nations under White Nationalist rule I don't think that we will need any help from the Arabs.

That's why I consider my post, and this poll,
pie in the sky thinking. It's great, but we need to be more realistic and put a strong, White-Nationalist government in power somewhere to start.
We won't be able to accomplish anything else on a global stage if we do not have that crucial piece handled first.:cheers:

"Pie in the sky" refers to hoping that something will happen. I believe that something is going to happen. Either the apparently impending catastrophy that the jews are working towards or the gradual awakening of white people to the jewish menace on a large enough scale to strip the jews of their power.

In either case we must be prepared, decisive and unified about what we will do then. That is the discussion that I hoped to have here.

RE: Professor of Racial Cleansing

We have the advantage of hind sight and we can now see that Hitler made a huge error in tactical judgment by expulsing so many jews from Germany and by allowing them to migrate to America where they could regroup and hit him by co-opting America’s military might. Had Hitler pursued an ultra-extreme agenda of total jewish genocide, Germany may have very well won the war. The stark reality that history teaches us, is the fact that Hitler was too soft on the jews.

It is interesting that you fault Hitler for not perpetrating the hollow-hoax.

One of the most powerful arguments made by revisionists against belief in the jewish lie is the very fact that it would have been impossible for him to have done so. He was fighting a war on multiple fronts and needed all of the manpower, trains and other transport, fuel (such as coal for the non-existent ovens) and other resources for the German war effort. As the revisionists argue, he could not have (and did not) diverted those resources to eliminating the jews. And he still lost the war.

The jews who did leave Germany were not the ones who pushed America into the war. That was done by jews who had already been here for a long time and were in positions of power such as Morgenthau.

I really don’t think any of the real White Nationals at VNN fear the jew, I rather think that we have a rightfully cultivated hatred of the jew due to our deep understanding of the real intent that the jew has for our race.

Fear is a rational response to danger which prompts analysis of the danger and an appropriate counter-response to it. Hatred is an emotional reaction within an individual which creates a desire to relieve oneself of the unpleasant feeling without regard to the consequences.

Fear is useful unless it over estimates the danger. The Professor, the poster to whom you are responding here, seems to believe that some people have done just that. Excessive fear of the jews will lead to either paralysis or a response that is out of proportion...such as advocating killing them all...which can have unforseen negative consequences. Some people's fear of what the jews might do after being stripped of their wealth and contained in Israel seems to be out of proportion to the danger that they would represent under those conditions.

Hatred is a useless reaction that generally leads to blind, undirected rage. People tend to more effectively achieve their goals after rational consideration than from emotional compulsion.

Don't you mean "horizontal (laying down) expulsion" instead? Because if you're "vertical" that means you're standing and still alive, does it not?

I think that it is a metaphor for being "sent upward to the great beyond".

Don't fear them as you do. Take them as one takes a dangerous reptile and quarantine it. It CAN be done, and it will serve in the long term not to turn most whites against us, not to speak of the rest of the world at large. Mass murder is not the way. Quarantine IS.

Reconsider this, and you may well find yourself with more of the brightest minds behind you than you've ever had before.

Well said, Professor. Besides the moral question there is the problem of recruitment. I doubt very much that any sizable number of white people are going to listen to anyone who advocates mass murder. Once awakened to the jewish problem, however, they probably would co-operate with a program of deportation and confinement.

It is better to get what works than to strive for improbable desires.

Burrhus: "As stated in my article, the jews would all be confined to live in Israel."

Keeping Israel alive in the Middle East would be like keeping a scorpion's stinger embedded in all the Arab countries currently there. There would be constant strife, conflict, and war. Better to separate and quarantine all jews from ANY other bordering nation. And that place would be Madagascar, a far more pleasant prison for the jews than the hot and dusty plains of their current homeland. Not only would it be less expensive to ship jews to Madagascar than to house and gas them, but it leaves us standing on the moral highground when all is said and done. Yes, the island has 20 million pussy-hungry nig-o-apes ready to fuck any jew woman they can get hold off with their AIDS infected dicks, but that's not our problem. Our task is to create an enforced "multicultural/multiracial society between jews and nigs, just as the jews did to the West. Ship them there packed in huge freighters, empty oil tankers, aircraft carriers, whatever. Liquidate their assets in Israel and let them have that as start-up money for getting their new economy off the ground. See? No costly murder, gassing, and ash disposal necessary! Just QUARANTINE. This is the answer, and the only answer. Everyone from David Duke to Paul Fromm to Alex Linder to Kevin Strom should adopt this edict. The Madagascar Proclamation, I shall name it, and so it shall forever be called.

Brutus: "This is delusional thinking. The jew is not to be compared with a mindless creature. The jew is our biological archenemy and we must kill them or they will kill us. Currently we have stupid niggers breaking out of our maximum security prisons, how do you expect to contain the most clever evil geniuses that the world has ever known?"

Is it delusional? I don't think so. You mention niggers breaking out of our maximum security prisons. What you fail to mention is that these are "maximum security" prisons under the control of a leftist-liberal, touchy-feely government who incessantly vomits all over itself about prisoner "rights". Delusional? Well, you haven't conceived of what a REAL maximum security prison would be under a WN controlled government. First off, corridors would be equipped with poison gas canisters released should a major prison uprising take place. Hundreds of niggers would die right off. If any got through, there were be automatically-controlled turret-mounted machine guns that would mow down hundreds in seconds. And if any got pass that, small bomblets would then be employed, blowing any remaining nigs to holy hell. And this is even before such nigs might actually reach outdoors, where they'd be strafed by Apache gunships until they were nothing more than nigger chitlin' meat. THIS is what a Maximum Security prison under a WN government would be, and NO ONE would ever escape from it. Delusional? I think not.

As for the jew, the newly announced Madagascar Proclamation will dissolve his control and influence over the world's financial and cultural control once and for all. Placed on an island surrounded by fierce swarms of sharks, a regular patrol of heavily armed Apace helicopters would patrol the waters for any attempts at escape. Standard US military policy: No forewarnings. Any attempts at escape would result in a shoot-to-kill reaction using every means possible. Delusional? Again, I think not. On the other hand, mass extermination of jews in hundreds of death camps, foul with the odor of melted jewish body fat is the truly delusional solution to the Jewish Problem. Knowing that, I suggest you reconsider what has been said here and join with me in promoting my Madagascar Proclamation, in which more details, costs, and logistics will be provided at a later date.

RE: Burrhus

It is interesting that you fault Hitler for not perpetrating the hollow-hoax.

One of the most powerful arguments made by revisionists against belief in the jewish lie is the very fact that it would have been impossible for him to have done so.

I don’t fault Hitler on anything. What I said was that we have the benefit of hindsight. Any moron can second guess the most brilliant, if that moron has the benefit of hindsight. Having the benefit of hindsight gives one 150 extra I.Q. points. And that consideration in and by itself does not diminish Hitler’s past actions one iota. Yes, you can call me a moron, but in this case I have the benefit of those extra 150 I.Q. points.

What Hitler didn’t see and therefore could not fully appreciate was that another nation, filled with Aryan people, could be tricked by the jew into fighting against Germany.

He was fighting a war on multiple fronts and needed all of the manpower, trains and other transport, fuel (such as coal for the non-existent ovens) and other resources for the German war effort. As the revisionists argue, he could not have (and did not) diverted those resources to eliminating the jews. And he still lost the war.

This is the point. If Hitler had not expulsed those jews, but rather dealt with them directly in Germany, during the 1930s and before the declaration of war, the resources for extermination would have been amply available. He could have instituted a nation-wide media black-out (something the jew’s are well schooled) and taken care of business and no other country would have been the wiser.

The jews who did leave Germany were not the ones who pushed America into the war. That was done by jews who had already been here for a long time and were in positions of power such as Morgenthau.

This is conjecture not supported by fact. We are well aware of the jew’s propensity to protect one another, therefore the logical deduction would be that those expulsed jews teamed-up with America’s jews and greatly aided their propaganda efforts.

I firmly believe that if in the 1930s, Hitler had the benefit of our hind sight, he would have implemented the clandestine assassinations of thousands of jewish media moguls in America to blunt and paralyze their anti-German propaganda efforts. He also could have used the Germany's rapidly re-emerging wealth to implement his own massive propaganda blitzkrieg in the U.S.A. Most White Americans of the day hated the jew and Hitler’s propaganda would have had an easy time convincing the average American of the jewish menace. This approach would have gained America’s public support for Germany’s struggle and thereby, most probably precluded it‘s entry into WWII.

This time we will not be myopically focused on nation, but rather on race. This time it will be a White global effort to exterminate the jew.

Hatred is a useless reaction that generally leads to blind, undirected rage. People tend to more effectively achieve their goals after rational consideration than from emotional compulsion.

All action is spurred by emotion.

I didn't vote, because the option to keep some of them as thralls wasn't part of the poll.

I voted "disappear" as the most likely outcome. No, I am not expecting some Aryan version of the rapture. I am thinking "genetic engineering". Science is making great strides in this field. They are already inserting genes into folks who have genetic defects which cause illness. Once selection of traits become commercially available, who do you think will have the money to have their progeny genetically changed? It is possible that most jews will have their kids redone, with selection for White traits. While they will still religiously be jews, will they still be that racially?

The Warlord

The masses of newly-awakened-to-the-jewish-problem white people would retain strong vestiges of Christian morality which would turn them against such a program. I doubt very much that even the most ardent WN, when confronted with actually having to personally participate in what he now fantasizes about, would not soon be repulsed on seeing the stark reality before his eyes of his actions. I know, you say that you could do it but could you really? Fantasy and reality are two different things.

I don't think solution #1 would be difficult to implement. It would not be necessary to shoot all Jews. The method employed by the Jews in the Rheinwiesen camps would work nicely. If you think it would not be possible to convince American soldiers to do some really cruel things, look at what is happening in Iraq. After some brain washing, using them to deport all Jews would not be hard, and only few of them have to know that it is a deportation to the big void.

Personally, I think one of the following two things will happen if the Jews lose power. Most likely, they will try to fight till the end. The result will be a total collapse of civilization, like the one described in the Turner Diaries. I am not predicting things to evolve like described in the TD, its just that civilization will collapse to the extent described in the TD. Do you really think White people would find it difficult to kill Jews if they have to let other Whites starve for just not being among the cleverest, bravest or strongest or for being past their reproductive age?

Less likely, the Jews will try to negotiate their way out, like splitting off part of the US, evacuating all Jews to this territory. It is difficult to say whether such a thing might be possible, and even if it is possible I doubt the Jews would try it.

With the jews we should have them disemboweled, boiled in oil, drawn and quartered, guillotined, riddled with bullets, sautéed in garlic butter, staked to a fire ant mound, and then be forced to watch 36 straight episodes of The Simple Life.

There. I trumped everyone.

With the jews we should have them disemboweled, boiled in oil, drawn and quartered, guillotined, riddled with bullets, sautéed in garlic butter, staked to a fire ant mound, and then be forced to watch 36 straight episodes of The Simple Life.

There. I trumped everyone. ]

The question was not what we should do, but rather what you would personally be willing to do.

Could you really "disembowel, boil in oil, draw and quarter, guillotine, riddle with bullets, sauté in garlic butter, stake to a fire ant mound" 18,000,000 people one after the other watching with your own eyes the pain and suffering of all those people including babies?

You could actually, with your own hands, disembowel, etc. perhaps 1,000,000 babies? Look into 1,000,000 sets of infant eyes and listen to them scream in pain? You could personally do that?

Or do you see other hands doing it?

The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus

[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus

 

The question was not what we should do, but rather what you would personally be willing to do.

Could you really "disembowel, boil in oil, draw and quarter, guillotine, riddle with bullets, sauté in garlic butter, stake to a fire ant mound" 18,000,000 people one after the other watching with your own eyes the pain and suffering of all those people including babies?

You could actually, with your own hands, disembowel, etc. perhaps 1,000,000 babies? Look into 1,000,000 sets of infant eyes and listen to them scream in pain? You could personally do that?

Or do you see other hands doing it?

Hey wait a minute--doesn't that make you a "jew", using your reasoning?

Would it really be " impractical and costly to try to contain...in israel."

About as impractical as trying to contain 18 million cockroaches on your neighbor's front lawn. The roaches will find a way out and soon be back in your pantry. The only solution to cockroach infestation is...Raid. Make your own comparisons.

We treat jews the way their behavior toward us has shown we'd be wise to treat them. They say we are filthy animals, that "even the best of us should be killed," and that we exist only to serve their needs and should be disposed of in any way that suits them.

I am quite confident I can make a winning court case for their extermination, and when we get on top of them, we will hold an honest Nuremberg, and let genetically tested Aryans vote.

You can't be serious, Alex. Can you?

If you are, your opinion is completely moronic, not to mention completely reprehensible and against all Aryan and Anglo-Saxon morality and honour.

The exterminationist line will never attract more than a tiny percentage of the White population (which says a lot of good about Whites as a whole), and is completely counterproductive to the advancement of any form of viable White Nationalism.

"Naming the Jew" is one thing, but advocating his genocide is a totally different ball game. And you'll end up being the red-faced coach screaming from the dugout with forehead veins bulging while all the decent players give up in disgust and walk off the field.

P.S. I voted for the third option.

RE: eNZedBlue

Just give me a number of how many more White people have to die at the hand of the jew that would make you change your mind about exterminating all of them?

Is there any number that comes to your mind, 1,000,000?......10,000,000?.....1,000,000,000?

The number that comes to my mind is “0”! The collective jew has earned the death sentence for all those Whites that they’ve already killed.

Why do you have compassion for those filthy beasts? Is it because you’re afraid of what those other lemmings will think? Well fuck them! This is a war to the death. And if they are mambi-pambi about the real solution to this problem, then it’s quite obvious that they will not be part of the solution.

This isn’t about forming a country club of fat-assed yackles who sit around like hens at an afternoon tea and cluck-out pretty words to one another. This is about seeking-out White men with balls who will take it to the jew and do what must be done.