Here are some examples of the rhetoric that has been put forth on this thread:

Death to jews. A final solution. Banish them and they'll just come back to swindle your grandchildren like they have over and over throughout history.
If some are too squeamish for this then leave the 'dirty work' to those of us
who aren't. People who don't approve of this need some 'clockwork orange'
style 're-education' anyways.

The Jewish race and all traces of the stain that it has left on the World, must be annihilated. This question does expose the differences in White people. We, the kind of people on this board, are immune to Jews, it is our White herds of low-grade people who get taken over by them. Should these herds exist? I think not. I also feel that a man who could not bear to even plan to kill out the Jews, is a weak and unmanly fellow.

It is vitally important to express the necessity of killing all jews, and that point firstly must be driven home into the consciousness of all WNs. To suggest that we place them somewhere out of harm’s way is ludicrous. That course may appeal to some of the moralistic here, but we should not allow their weakness to undermine reality yet once again.

With the jews we should have them disemboweled, boiled in oil, drawn and quartered, guillotined, riddled with bullets, sautéed in garlic butter, staked to a fire ant mound, and then be forced to watch 36 straight episodes of The Simple Life.

Having followed the the discussion on this thread and on the on the previous one without the poll, I have come to see that the two threads that I started on the theme of “What to do with the jews after White Nationalism comes to power compel me to address another theme which I thought could be dealt with separately. Namely, how to dis-empower the jews and precipitate the ascendancy of a White Nationalist government.

I now see that these two actions, resolving the jewish problem and gaining the power to do so, cannot be separated. It is clear to me now that the manner in which some WNs see the jewish problem being solved has a significant impact on the probability of our success in ascending to power. We must look at the relationship between the rhetoric of hatred and violence and, its effect on our efforts to gain the power that we need to save our civilization and the white race.

Please note that I am not talking about “hate speech” as defined by the jews and the politically-correct liberals. To them, the words and concepts are in and of themselves hateful. Uttering words like nigger, kike, cunt, wetback, faggot and so forth are to the liberals acts of “hate speech” and should be seen as crimes. I find their position to be ignorant, un-American, jewish in origin and repulsive.

When I talk of the rhetoric of hatred and violence, I am referring primarily to the emotion of hatred felt within the individual which prompts him to speak in such a manner and not only of the form of his speech. And regardless of what prompts it or what form it takes, it is not a crime. That does not mean, however, that it is not a problem.

The emotional feeling of hatred is the result of one’s experiences with the world and as such cannot be simply dismissed out of hand as something wrong with the individual to be ignored and suppressed. It is there, it is felt and it must be dealt with. The individual has been harmed or at least believes that he has been. This feeling of hatred can prompt rational thought about redressing the grievance producing it or irrational, impulsive behavior which fails to achieve justice, resulting in impotence and rage.

That being said, let us return to the question of the dis-empowerment of the jews and the ascendancy of WNism, keeping in mind what has been said about the rhetoric of hatred and violence, and how they are related.

How can WNs dis-empower the jews without first having power; and, how can we gain power in the face of the existing jewish control of power? This dilemma must be obvious to all WNs. Let’s try to wrangle this beast.

There are two possible ways that the conditions necessary for these events to occur can come about. The first is through forces not set in motion by or controlled by WNs and the second is the result of WN behavior aimed at achieving those necessary conditions.

One example of the first way is found in my article at the top of this thread...the possible “Clash of Civilizations” war being planned by the jews and the resulting social and economic catastrophe that would likely follow upon that war. Other less violent examples would be the collapse of the dollar resulting in massive un-employment and privation, a drastic disruption in the flow of oil either from political causes or from depletion; widespread, uncontrollable race riots in our multi-culturally dysfunctional state or some other such social or economic disaster.

These disasters would serve to expose the jews as the agents responsible for the suffering of the white people resulting from them. As the white people came to see that it was the jews who were the source of their misery, they could be easily and willingly led to join WN leaders in the dis-empowerment of the jews and the ascendance of a White Nationalist government.

That is assuming that there were WN leaders of an organization of sufficient size and coherence to act in that capacity. What size such an organization would have to be in order to be effective is certainly open to conjecture. This is my conjecture. It would have to at least have units in the 100 largest cities, a print publication with its own presses capable of national distribution in order to be the voice that awakens the masses to the jewish menace, enough money to keep its people on the streets agitating and some number of individuals who are well recognized political figures throughout the nation such as David Duke or Pat Buchhanan (if he had the courage to come out of the closet) or possibly someone like Tom Tancredo who might desert the ZOG parties and come over to our side in the event of the disaster facing the nation. As long as they had face and name recognition and, behaved as a true WNs.

This would be a lot of people and resources and, would presume that the WN organization was reasonably well known to the people and an acceptable alternative to turn to in a time of severe national tribulation. A rough estimate would be say 15,000-20,000 dedicated activist members and another 50,000 regular participants ready to become more active.

There is no such organization that I know of in existence now nor are the necessary resources at hand.

The second way that conditions necessary for the dis-empowerment of the jews and the ascendance of a WN government could come about would be through long-term WN activity serving to awaken a large enough percentage of the white people to the jewish menace that they would have the courage and confidence to act. In the absence of some disastrous circumstance creating the conditions needed for such a small organization to seize power as in the first case, WNs would need to create a much larger organization and media presence to awaken the white people to the jewish menace.

What size and nature would this need to be and what percentage of the people would it need to attract?

Big. And large.

Estimating again, I think perhaps 50,000-60,000 dedicated activists and another 150,000 occasional participants would be needed. They would have to have had national print publications in regular distribution for a few years, gotten at least some radio and tv exposure, have a lot of money and some very well recognized and respected leaders. They would also have to command the allegiance of at least 75% of the white people in the nation (faggots don’t count...just a little humor there...not being a hater) which would be about 51% of the total population.

Such an organization and allegiance would be an enormous task to build. I think that it can be done because it has to be done if we are to save our civilization and the white race. Therefore, it will be done.

But not in the presence of the rhetoric of hatred and violence.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that even as much as 5% of the white people in America are prepared to listen to rhetoric such as that read on this thread, exhibited in this post above and seen elsewhere on this forum. They just aren’t. Talk of killing, lynching, boiling and virulent avowals of hatred generate instant revulsion in them and create for them extremely negative emotional responses. They will not listen afterwards to the second thing that is said. They have tuned out. They are lost to us.

Think of the revulsion that you feel when the jewish media and the liberals try to convince you that race mixing, homosexual marriage, aborting white babies, the elimination of the family or the very death of white civilization are good things that you should willingly accept as beneficial to “humanity”. Consider your reaction to talk about the white race as the oppressor of all other races and the cause of all their suffering. Only white people are “bad” racists. Only the white race deserves extinction for the evil that it has committed against its poor dark brothers. We whites are all guilty of murdering 6 million jews and centuries of persecution.

Doesn’t go down very well does it? Turns you off? Makes you angry? You ain’t gonna listen to any more of that crap. Fuck’em.. You’re outta there.

Well that’s how most people respond to the rhetoric of hatred and violence...whoever is putting it out.

We need those white people on our side if we are going to build the kind of organization needed in either of the two possible cases analyzed above. We need to talk to them in a manner that will cause them to stick around and listen to more. To listen long enough to understand what we are saying and see the menace that they can’t see now. We need to keep them listening until they are awakened and ready to join us and act. VNN can be a valuable tool in educating the white people of America. If the people here choose it to be.

The rhetoric of hatred and violence are counter-productive. They lose us the recruits that we need. They will lose us the battle that we must win.

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. That’s the goal.

Just give me a number of how many more White people have to die at the hand of the jew that would make you change your mind about exterminating all of them?

Is there any number that comes to your mind, 1,000,000?......10,000,000?.....1,000,000,000?

The number that comes to my mind is &#8220]
The trouble with that is, of all the options available, exterminating the Jews is the one that will cost the most White lives. Israel has nukes, remember?

If a genocidalist regime came to power in any Western country, and it began systematically wiping out all the Jews within its borders and declared an intention to kill all Jews worldwide, what do you think Israel's response would be? If we fought an all out fight to the finish with Israel I think we would win, but we would lose several hundreds of millions of precious White lives in the process.

Why do you have compassion for those filthy beasts? Is it because you&#8217]
I'm not afraid of what lemmings think of me. However I do accept that it is necessary to have the support of a majority of them (at least a significant minority) of them in order to make WN viable. It doesn't matter that some of them are too stupid to ever see the light, but we can't just say "fuck you" to 99% of the population.

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I'm not interested in supporting lunatic and impossible mass jew-killing schemes just to prove that I have hair on my chest and fire in my belly. "Doing what must be done" means recognising what CAN be done, and pursuing whatever strategy offers the best chance of success.

I think you are too pessimistic about the situation and support the extreme position because "dire straits demand desperate measures", despite the fact that what you advocate is totally unrealistic and unfeasible. The fact is that the wind is starting to blow our way, and things are starting to look better for us even compared to a couple of years ago. Multiculturalism is starting to come off the rails so obviously that even some lemmings are starting to notice. The good thing is that it has happened sooner rather than later when the rot might have been irreversible. Now is the time to capitalise on this and attract wavering former-lemmings who are just starting to open their eyes, not drive them away with calls for mass murder.

http://www.thephora.net/forum

 

Picture yourself in the large public square in the Capital of the Federation of White Nations. A line of 18 million people stretches out before you farther than you can see. One by one they step up onto the gallow's scaffolding.

Could you really pull the lever 18 million times and personally watch the stark reality of those people screaming and dying in agony before your very eyes? Could you really repress the enormous cumulative guilt that would build up in your conscience lever-pull after lever-pull?

Perhaps you could, but you will excuse me if I doubt that. There is a difference between fantasy and reality, between hatred and anger, and between wanting and doing.

Or do you see other hands pulling that lever?

I would gladly pull the lever! Trust me...

The trouble with that is, of all the options available, exterminating the Jews is the one that will cost the most White lives. Israel has nukes, remember?

If a genocidalist regime came to power in any Western country, and it began systematically wiping out all the Jews within its borders and declared an intention to kill all Jews worldwide, what do you think Israel's response would be? If we fought an all out fight to the finish with Israel I think we would win, but we would lose several hundreds of millions of precious White lives in the process.

I'm not afraid of what lemmings think of me. However I do accept that it is necessary to have the support of a majority of them (at least a significant minority) of them in order to make WN viable. It doesn't matter that some of them are too stupid to ever see the light, but we can't just say "fuck you" to 99% of the population.

I'm not interested in supporting lunatic and impossible mass jew-killing schemes just to prove that I have hair on my chest and fire in my belly. "Doing what must be done" means recognising what CAN be done, and pursuing whatever strategy offers the best chance of success.

I think you are too pessimistic about the situation and support the extreme position because "dire straits demand desperate measures", despite the fact that what you advocate is totally unrealistic and unfeasible. The fact is that the wind is starting to blow our way, and things are starting to look better for us even compared to a couple of years ago. Multiculturalism is starting to come off the rails so obviously that even some lemmings are starting to notice. The good thing is that it has happened sooner rather than later when the rot might have been irreversible. Now is the time to capitalise on this and attract wavering former-lemmings who are just starting to open their eyes, not drive them away with calls for mass murder.

Exterminating jews has nothing to do whether or not you want to prove that you have hair on your chest. It has to do with doing the right thing.

Jews have invaded our government sytem from the local level, including schools and universties, all the way to federal agencies including the Pentagon for at least 100 years. They are spying on corporations, spying on our classified secrets and giving/selling them to foreign countries. They restrict our free speech. They control our media and the movie industry. They pour filth against the White ways and culture that make Whites look like criminals, wild barbaric beasts, and homosexuals through any media they can get their filthy hands on. They encourage wars where Whites are to serve their interests and die, causing a genocide and the less likely of increasing our population.

They write and encourage their propaganda on the Holocaust, causing many to be imprisioned, reputations ruined, while confiscating assets and property. Yet, they go to each European country and demand to compensated for property lost because they were apprehended in Holocaust's name. The Holocaust - a fictious and malicious propaganda that intentionally puts individuals and nations at an economic disadvantage. When are we going to tell or make these filthy, lying jews stop swindling nations with their filthy lies about an event which there is no physical proof of? Every European country, including Americans were placed in prison camps. Jews are nobody special, but they are allowed to have a bigger voice?

They encourage a great influx of foreigners from third world countries to invade America and ruin the nation's culture only to destroy and divide. This is their agenda. They chase corporations and jobs out of this country and incoporate a new order by allowing foreign nations to invade with their different cultures and languages. Their agenda is destroy all nations including the White nations, near and far, so they can be the masters of this planet. How many Whites have been killed thus far as a result of foreigners from third world countries legal or not? This is the jews way of destroying Americans particulary Whites. The jews are behind all the influx of garbage from third world nations.

The jews deserve to be destroyed. Sending them back to their country will not keep them from committing more crimes and hatred against Whites nor destroying nations. They deserve to be plucked out of every job or business they hold in America and permantely annihilated for the good of all. No mercy, nor remorse is applied here.

The nukes the jews may or does have does not make Iran afraid. Shouldn't this tell you something? If there ever was a showdown, Israel will lose greatly. The Palestinians are ready to pounce and with our take over of our government seats with the jews out - Israel will be nothing more than an unpaved parking lot.

RE: eNZedBlue

Just give me a number of how many more White people have to die at the hand of the jew that would make you change your mind about exterminating all of them?

Is there any number that comes to your mind, 1,000,000?......10,000,000?.....1,000,000,000?

The number that comes to my mind is &#8220]

And after you've killed the 18,000,000 jews would not " The collective whites have earned the death sentence for all those jews that they’ve already killed." Logic seems to compel one to so conclude. If I may be so bold as to impose logic on the discourse.

And would this death sentence not fall on the heads of your children and grandchildren and later descendants for ages to come as well as on mine and all white people's descendants? Don't forget there are 5,000,000,000 (billion) non-whites in the world who might take it upon themselves to rid the world of such a blood thirsty racial in-group...just as you see fit to rid the world of the jews.

Why do you have compassion for those filthy beasts? Is it because you’re afraid of what those other lemmings will think? Well fuck them! This is a war to the death. And if they are mambi-pambi about the real solution to this problem, then it’s quite obvious that they will not be part of the solution.

This is a pro-white forum, Brutus, let's show some respect for the brothers.

This isn’t about forming a country club of fat-assed yackles who sit around like hens at an afternoon tea and cluck-out pretty words to one another.

What is it then? A cyber-tavern for hate-filled, frustrated people with revenge fantasies where they can sit around and call each fuctards, idiots, lemmings, jews, jackoffs, weak-and-unmanly fellows or mambi-pambis (sic)?

Or where they can vent their impotent, hate-fuelled rage in abusive language about dis-embowelling and boiling in oil millions of people because they can't maintain enough control over their emotions to sit down and figure out a rational solution to the problem?

VNN has the potential to be a very powerful force in the battle to save the white race. But it may have to first wage a battle within itself between the rationalists and the emotionalists. A civilized man is one who, though both rational and emotional, manages through reason to restrain his emotions from controlling him.

Let us reason together, brother Brutus.

This is about seeking-out White men with balls who will take it to the jew and do what must be done.

How many "white men with balls" do you anticipate accumulating for your struggle with the jews and their ZOG collaborators with the rhetoric of hatred and violence? Perhaps 2,000 or 5,000...let's be generous and say 10,000. The white "lemmings" that you so despise will never heed the call to arms under the banner that you wave. They probably don't even like being called lemmings.

We will need millions to succeed. If it were possible to take down the jews and ZOG with 10,000 men, I suspect that those 10,000 would rise up today and do it. But they don't because they know that it would be suicide.

We need more white people on our side. We need to educate them and assist them in their awakening. Talking a little less abusively might work.

I don't think solution #1 would be difficult to implement. It would not be necessary to shoot all Jews. The method employed by the Jews in the Rheinwiesen camps would work nicely. If you think it would not be possible to convince American soldiers to do some really cruel things, look at what is happening in Iraq. After some brain washing, using them to deport all Jews would not be hard, and only few of them have to know that it is a deportation to the big void.

Personally, I think one of the following two things will happen if the Jews lose power. Most likely, they will try to fight till the end. The result will be a total collapse of civilization, like the one described in the Turner Diaries. I am not predicting things to evolve like described in the TD, its just that civilization will collapse to the extent described in the TD. Do you really think White people would find it difficult to kill Jews if they have to let other Whites starve for just not being among the cleverest, bravest or strongest or for being past their reproductive age?

Less likely, the Jews will try to negotiate their way out, like splitting off part of the US, evacuating all Jews to this territory. It is difficult to say whether such a thing might be possible, and even if it is possible I doubt the Jews would try it.

Your judgment is incorrect. Jews are incapable of true acts of bravery. So I rather doubt they would fight an open battle. First they would try to make us all see how much are they suffering on our hands. If the strategy doesn't work, they would say they all have changed and now would welcome a all-White state. If the strategy doesn't work they would lick our boots rather than face deportation. Guaranteed!

I would gladly pull the lever! Trust me...

So what's stopping you from starting now? You could get a head start on the job. Less to do later.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

Still sitting there?

I thought so.

See, I did trust you...to be a better man than you think you are.

I hope that you will excuse me if I continue to doubt that you could do it.

Exterminating jews has nothing to do whether or not you want to prove that you have hair on your chest. It has to do with doing the right thing.

Jews have invaded our government sytem from the local level, including schools and universties, all the way to federal agencies including the Pentagon for at least 100 years. They are spying on corporations, spying on our classified secrets and giving/selling them to foreign countries. They restrict our free speech. They control our media and the movie industry. They pour filth against the White ways and culture that make Whites look like criminals, wild barbaric beasts, and homosexuals through any media they can get their filthy hands on. They encourage wars where Whites are to serve their interests and die, causing a genocide and the less likely of increasing our population.

They write and encourage their propaganda on the Holocaust, causing many to be imprisioned, reputations ruined, while confiscating assets and property. Yet, they go to each European country and demand to compensated for property lost because they were apprehended in Holocaust's name. The Holocaust - a fictious and malicious propaganda that intentionally puts individuals and nations at an economic disadvantage. When are we going to tell or make these filthy, lying jews stop swindling nations with their filthy lies about an event which there is no physical proof of? Every European country, including Americans were placed in prison camps. Jews are nobody special, but they are allowed to have a bigger voice?

They encourage a great influx of foreigners from third world countries to invade America and ruin the nation's culture only to destroy and divide. This is their agenda. They chase corporations and jobs out of this country and incoporate a new order by allowing foreign nations to invade with their different cultures and languages. Their agenda is destroy all nations including the White nations, near and far, so they can be the masters of this planet. How many Whites have been killed thus far as a result of foreigners from third world countries legal or not? This is the jews way of destroying Americans particulary Whites. The jews are behind all the influx of garbage from third world nations.

The jews deserve to be destroyed. Sending them back to their country will not keep them from committing more crimes and hatred against Whites nor destroying nations. They deserve to be plucked out of every job or business they hold in America and permantely annihilated for the good of all. No mercy, nor remorse is applied here.

The nukes the jews may or does have does not make Iran afraid. Shouldn't this tell you something? If there ever was a showdown, Israel will lose greatly. The Palestinians are ready to pounce and with our take over of our government seats with the jews out - Israel will be nothing more than an unpaved parking lot.

You are correct about all of the harm that the jews have visited upon white western civilization. And I agree with you that they must be stopped and restrained from doing any more damage.

If you read the first post on this thread, you will see that the discussion here started being about what to do with the jews after we have stripped them of their weapons and wealth and power over our government and institutions. In post #61 the discussion was extended to how me might go about so dis-empowering them.

In post #1, three options were offered: killing all of them, sterilizing them or confining all of them permanently to live in Israel...with only simple defensive weapons and third-world level wealth. They would not be allowed out. None of them. They would not be roaming the world finagling themselves back into power over us. I advocated strongly for option #3.

In post #61, I argued that in order to get into a position where we could dis-empower the jews, we need to recruit to our cause millions of whites not yet jew-wise. That will be achieved more easily if we back-off on the rhetoric of hatred and violence.

You can read the full posts but that should catch you up on where we are at now.

Welcome to the discussion.

Your judgment is incorrect. Jews are incapable of true acts of bravery. So I rather doubt they would fight an open battle. First they would try to make us all see how much are they suffering on our hands. If the strategy doesn't work, they would say they all have changed and now would welcome a all-White state. If the strategy doesn't work they would lick our boots rather than face deportation. Guaranteed!

Come now, Aherne, read what you have written.

You claim to have what it takes to pull the gallow's lever 18,000,000 times but not what it would take to forcefully deport those same 18,000,000 to Israel.

That's confusing.

Everyone has their individual thoughts concerning this topic.

The facts are that anyone who threatens violence, advocates violence, or promotes violence towards others is considered to be a terrorist.

I am not taking sides in this issue, I am merely stating facts.

I understand the deep feelings involved.

I am asking others to understand that actions should NOT be controlled by emotions.

And the individuals who decide to take rash actions need be willing to suffer the expected consequences for it.

Having said that, I will continue expending my energies into positive change as opposed to negative change.

Mass murder is not the answer. The Madagascar Proclamation is. With this plan in place, no jew on earth can claim we're out to murder them. In fact, we're sending them to Holy Paradise, where they drowse in tropical somnolence the year round, with ample negroids ready to service their every needs, both in the fields and mines, and at cocktail time. Yes, a gas free enviornment where the jews can lanquish under a golden sun, rich with the moulten black pleasures of forbidden sexual lures, there for the jews' taking. No, not death and hell for the jews, but what they've least expected: compassion from their Aryan masters, who have ultimately demonstrated their greatness by ending the jewish threat forever, while not letting even one of their wee children suffer. That, my friends, is the compassion of Gods....
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Mass murder is not the answer. The Madagascar Proclamation is. With this plan in place, no jew on earth can claim we're out to murder them. In fact, we're sending them to Holy Paradise, where they drowse in tropical somnolence the year round, with ample negroids ready to service their every needs, both in the fields and mines, and at cocktail time. Yes, a gas free enviornment where the jews can lanquish under a golden sun, rich with the moulten black pleasures of forbidden sexual lures, there for the jews' taking. No, not death and hell for the jews, but what they've least expected: compassion from their Aryan masters, who have ultimately demonstrated their greatness by ending the jewish threat forever, while not letting even one of their wee children suffer. That, my friends, is the compassion of Gods....
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LMAO. What a load o' crap. Hey, here is a website that shows what the jew is capable of, without even thinking:

http://www.katyn.org.au/index.html

Take a gander at some of the pictures. I can read German and some of the picture captions say that the bodies were deliberately stacked so many levels high and deep.
Remember also, this is a tiny portion of the jew-dominated NKVD's crimes. They murdered millions in Russia and Ukraine.

I would propose a likewise resolution - a single bullet (no need to waste any more and in case they're still wigglin' - too bad), carelessly aimed, in the back of the head. Every man, woman and childbeast.
And yes, I would gladly volunteer for this. I would volunteer until all my fingers had blisters from triggerpulling. After that, I would volunteer to drive the bulldozer to cover the pits.
Any more questions?

Brother Rob...I do understand your murderous rage to do a kill-a-thon using Ted Bundy & John Wayne Gacy slice-&-dice techniques as your shining inspiration to guide you and your compatriots in the slaughter rooms. Yes, there are jews you'll juice your pants over as the first meat cleaver splits open their skulls. But there will be harmless women, holding their children close to them, whom you'll have to hack to death. Child murder, under any circumstances, is cowardly. Killing a jewish woman ushered into a closed room, with not even the opportunity to defend her life as even nigger slaves in Roman colloseums once had is a putrid example of psychopathically insane murder - and not genuine and true fighters for the White race. There is only way - The Madagascar Proclamation, which I urge all WN organizations to adopt. At that time, I'll reveal my actual name, so that it can be recorded for posterity.

This is the proper future for the jews ,
Brother Bob. Accept it, and the jewish
problem will be solved.

Roman colloseums

Now there is an idea. Do what you want with the majority of the jews(as long as they are no longer a problem for us), but at least some of them should be enthralled, and members of the IDF should entertain us with gladiatorial games. They are guilty of killing defenseless women and children. So that would be a fitting end for them. Throw some gangstas in the pits with them, to spice things up a bit.

There is only way - The Madagascar Proclamation, which I urge all WN organizations to adopt.

OK, I'll play along...
Question: What would be the fate of the people already living in Madagascar, the native population?