I posted this message on a different thread a few minutes ago and I think that it is even more appropriate here.

Originally Posted by News

That image just makes a man want to fight. It makes a man want to kill. A Man sees that and he wants to defend. He wants to destroy anything that would threaten it. When you see a white baby at the breast, your adrenal glands open and you just want to KILL any threat. When you see a white baby you turn into a secret service agent. All your senses condense and combine. You are ready. You want to fight. You want to kill.

Your life. You will give it readily. If a white child is threatened, you will attack without hesitation.

A white baby is more important than the president. A white baby is more important than the country. A white baby is more important than your own life. You defend. You do not fail.

If killing is the only and best way to save the white race, then yes, it must be done. Right now it is not.

But what I and a few others here are asking for is something that seems to be even more difficult. White men need to get control of their emotions and think rationally about what will be effective. Right now we need to give up the rhetoric of hatred and violence and adopt the rhetoric of reason.

Unless there is a massive social and economic catastrophe that quickly awakens the people of the White Nations to the jewish actions that have brought that catastrophe upon them, our only hope lies in awakening millions of them with language that they will listen to.

They will not listen to people talking about mass extermination and hatred. They just will not. If that is not patently obvious to anyone, then print out the posts on this thread by those advocating killing all of the jews. Pass out copies to 100 of your neighbors and ask them if they would join a movement where people talk like that.

I'd be surprised if even 3 said yes. The other 97 would tell you that you are insane and forbid their children to play with yours. They would never listen to another word that you said. They would never get to hear the truth from you about the disaster that the jews have brought upon us with feminism, abortion, immigration, the hollow-hoax lie, race mixing, legitimizing homosexuality, destruction of the family, control of mass media and the economy and the schools and the government and so on and so on.

They need to be educated about the danger that these jewish manipulations of our culture present to them. They need to be awakened to the threat of white extinction. But they will not listen to the rhetoric of hatred and violence. They not only will not...they can not. They have been condtioned to respond in a negatively emotional way to that kind of language.

We need them to come over to our side in the millions. Soon. A few thousand angry men driven by hatred are not going to bring down the jews and their white collaborators. They would only be throwing away their lives in a futile and meaningless gesture of bravado.

Killing is not an easy thing to do, but men do it when that is what must be done.

But getting control of one's emotions and thinking rationally about effective ways to solve the jewish problem is even harder. There's no drama, no excitement, no rush of adrenaline and, the heroism in self restraint is not easily seen and admired.

But that is precisely what is needed now...the heroism of self restraint. That's asking a lot of some men. They can't see the glory in it for them. They don't want to sacrifice the hatred that burns in them for the sake of a victory that will be more effectively won by talking to white people in language that they will listen to.

We need to be effective. We need to win. We need to save those white babies and convince our women to make more of them.

The rhetoric of hatred and violence is simply not effective.

I do not think that we need to be intimidated by Israel's nuclear weapons. Israel is estimated to have about 200 nuclear warheads, but the U.S.A. has 10,000 and Russia has 12,000. Also the maximum range of Israel's nuclear weapons is only 1,500km (I have heard the rumours about their long-range, 4,500km missiles but am not convinced). The Israeli submarines would be very easy meat for our submarines, but their aircraft are quite good.

I posted this message on a different thread a few minutes ago and I think that it is even more appropriate here.

If killing is the only and best way to save the white race, then yes, it must be done. Right now it is not.

But what I and a few others here are asking for is something that seems to be even more difficult. White men need to get control of their emotions and think rationally about what will be effective. Right now we need to give up the rhetoric of hatred and violence and adopt the rhetoric of reason.

Unless there is a massive social and economic catastrophe that quickly awakens the people of the White Nations to the jewish actions that have brought that catastrophe upon them, our only hope lies in awakening millions of them with language that they will listen to.

They will not listen to people talking about mass extermination and hatred. They just will not. If that is not patently obvious to anyone, then print out the posts on this thread by those advocating killing all of the jews. Pass out copies to 100 of your neighbors and ask them if they would join a movement where people talk like that.

I'd be surprised if even 3 said yes. The other 97 would tell you that you are insane and forbid their children to play with yours. They would never listen to another word that you said. They would never get to hear the truth from you about the disaster that the jews have brought upon us with feminism, abortion, immigration, the hollow-hoax lie, race mixing, legitimizing homosexuality, destruction of the family, control of mass media and the economy and the schools and the government and so on and so on.

They need to be educated about the danger that these jewish manipulations of our culture present to them. They need to be awakened to the threat of white extinction. But they will not listen to the rhetoric of hatred and violence. They not only will not...they can not. They have been condtioned to respond in a negatively emotional way to that kind of language.

We need them to come over to our side in the millions. Soon. A few thousand angry men driven by hatred are not going to bring down the jews and their white collaborators. They would only be throwing away their lives in a futile and meaningless gesture of bravado.

Killing is not an easy thing to do, but men do it when that is what must be done.

But getting control of one's emotions and thinking rationally about effective ways to solve the jewish problem is even harder. There's no drama, no excitement, no rush of adrenaline and, the heroism in self restraint is not easily seen and admired.

But that is precisely what is needed now...the heroism of self restraint. That's asking a lot of some men. They can't see the glory in it for them. They don't want to sacrifice the hatred that burns in them for the sake of a victory that will be more effectively won by talking to white people in language that they will listen to.

We need to be effective. We need to win. We need to save those white babies and convince our women to make more of them.

The rhetoric of hatred and violence is simply not effective.

Well said.

It is sacrificing self-glory to insure the survival of the White race.

I do not think that we need to be intimidated by Israel's nuclear weapons. Israel is estimated to have about 200 nuclear warheads, but the U.S.A. has 10,000 and Russia has 12,000. Also the maximum range of Israel's nuclear weapons is only 1,500km (I have heard the rumours about their long-range, 4,500km missiles but am not convinced). The Israeli submarines would be very easy meat for our submarines, but their aircraft are quite good.

Finding their weakness is the #1 priority. Actually the jews have many weaknesses and we need to hone in on each and every one. Finding out their logistics and their resources is a stragetically way to put the battle into a tactical plan. Another strategy is the unexpected. Don't let them know what you are up to until you are ready to sweep.

I'm more than happy to listen to the logistics of your plan for ridding the world of jews. Here are my questions:

1:There are 15 million jews world wide. What methods of killing would your plan make use of?

2: How would the jews be rounded up for execution - truck, freight train, aircraft, ship, etc? In America, would liquidation troops just go into New York City and open fire? How would you know who was a jew and who wasn't, if they didn't look obviously so? Interrogation? Torture?

3: What about "jew collaborators", gentile whites who might have worked for jew-owned media operations, manufacturing industries, and so forth? Would they be taken out and shot to death, right in the middle of the street? What about their children and wife? Would you then send a liquidation squad over to their house and gun them down inside their soundproof basement? And what about their neighbors? Had they been too friendly with the "jew collaborators" themselves to warrant murder too? I mean, where does the slaughter end?

4: How do you plan to dispose of all the jewish bodies AND the white gentile "collaborators"? Mass cremation? Where? How?

5: Now, moving on the Israel, populated by around 7 million jews. You can't just roll in there in a bunch of humvees and start rounding up jews and blowing the back of their skulls off with them just standing by and letting you do it. They fight back, and, besides, they've got around 400 nuclear weapons at their disposal. To get around this obstacle, the only plausible way would be to engage the Israelis in a preemptive nuclear strike, turning them into a parking lot AND spreading a lot of deadly and lethal nuclear radiation on surrounding Arab countries. Many of their people would die too. Then again, do you care? Maybe not. But remember, offending the oil-producing Arab nations might be a very bad strategic move on the part of a newly-controlled United White States of North America. So, what scenario would your "kill all jews" plan use here?

6: The remaining world's countries has several million jews scattered helter-skelter in many, many nations. Question: How to you get to them in order to kill them? Do you send in American death squads, or perhaps strike a bargain with the locals to kill them for you? A tricky choice, no matter what.

I could go on and on, but I've gotten to the meat of the thing. Rounding up, transporting, building extermination camps, shooting, gassing, and generally slaughtering wholesale amounts of people, then resorting to the use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East and turning former Arab land into a radioactive wasteland sounds like a good way to make a lot of enemies. In short, your plan is insane, impractical, costly beyond measure, unnessarily murderous, and will destroy any chance of the WN movement ever having an opportunity to win. In fact, your kind of thinking is why we are losing.

Professor of Racial Cleansing - now this is a joke if I ever did see one. Quite a show of mockery you have here. Any plan of your so-called reasoning will be shot down before you can say "shit." By then, the jews will have made you explelled your lower intestines.

"In fact, your kind of thinking is why we are losing"

Really? Now that is one hell of a piece of illogic if I ever did see one. If I remember correctly, males are the majority in making decisions or no decisions for the past 100 years or so which have made a negative impact on our society now. I'm not speaking of the accomplishments in other areas. They do not apply to the demise at the present. Didn't you know that by nature males are more destructive than women? Biologically they are.

First of all, isn't highly unusual for a woman to be radical in term of taking care of the problem? Why do you think that is so? I would think by now you would be terribly embarrassed about your manlihood.

Your idea is that of a high-school project that won't work. I'm not into high-school projects,my dear, but I do find the most aggressive approach to be rather intriguing.

THESE were the questions I posed to you, Hell Raising Woman:

Originally Posted by Professor of Racial Cleansing
I'm more than happy to listen to the logistics of your plan for ridding the world of jews. Here are my questions:

1:There are 15 million jews world wide. What methods of killing would your plan make use of?

2: How would the jews be rounded up for execution - truck, freight train, aircraft, ship, etc? In America, would liquidation troops just go into New York City and open fire? How would you know who was a jew and who wasn't, if they didn't look obviously so? Interrogation? Torture?

3: What about "jew collaborators", gentile whites who might have worked for jew-owned media operations, manufacturing industries, and so forth? Would they be taken out and shot to death, right in the middle of the street? What about their children and wife? Would you then send a liquidation squad over to their house and gun them down inside their soundproof basement? And what about their neighbors? Had they been too friendly with the "jew collaborators" themselves to warrant murder too? I mean, where does the slaughter end?

4: How do you plan to dispose of all the jewish bodies AND the white gentile "collaborators"? Mass cremation? Where? How?

5: Now, moving on the Israel, populated by around 7 million jews. You can't just roll in there in a bunch of humvees and start rounding up jews and blowing the back of their skulls off with them just standing by and letting you do it. They fight back, and, besides, they've got around 400 nuclear weapons at their disposal. To get around this obstacle, the only plausible way would be to engage the Israelis in a preemptive nuclear strike, turning them into a parking lot AND spreading a lot of deadly and lethal nuclear radiation on surrounding Arab countries. Many of their people would die too. Then again, do you care? Maybe not. But remember, offending the oil-producing Arab nations might be a very bad strategic move on the part of a newly-controlled United White States of North America. So, what scenario would your "kill all jews" plan use here?

6: The remaining world's countries has several million jews scattered helter-skelter in many, many nations. Question: How to you get to them in order to kill them? Do you send in American death squads, or perhaps strike a bargain with the locals to kill them for you? A tricky choice, no matter what.

I could go on and on, but I've gotten to the meat of the thing. Rounding up, transporting, building extermination camps, shooting, gassing, and generally slaughtering wholesale amounts of people, then resorting to the use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East and turning former Arab land into a radioactive wasteland sounds like a good way to make a lot of enemies. In short, your plan is insane, impractical, costly beyond measure, unnessarily murderous, and will destroy any chance of the WN movement ever having an opportunity to win. In fact, your kind of thinking is why we are losing.

And THESE are the SAME questions that you again refused to answer.
Originally Posted by Professor of Racial Cleansing
I'm more than happy to listen to the logistics of your plan for ridding the world of jews. Here are my questions:

1:There are 15 million jews world wide. What methods of killing would your plan make use of?

2: How would the jews be rounded up for execution - truck, freight train, aircraft, ship, etc? In America, would liquidation troops just go into New York City and open fire? How would you know who was a jew and who wasn't, if they didn't look obviously so? Interrogation? Torture?

3: What about "jew collaborators", gentile whites who might have worked for jew-owned media operations, manufacturing industries, and so forth? Would they be taken out and shot to death, right in the middle of the street? What about their children and wife? Would you then send a liquidation squad over to their house and gun them down inside their soundproof basement? And what about their neighbors? Had they been too friendly with the "jew collaborators" themselves to warrant murder too? I mean, where does the slaughter end?

4: How do you plan to dispose of all the jewish bodies AND the white gentile "collaborators"? Mass cremation? Where? How?

5: Now, moving on the Israel, populated by around 7 million jews. You can't just roll in there in a bunch of humvees and start rounding up jews and blowing the back of their skulls off with them just standing by and letting you do it. They fight back, and, besides, they've got around 400 nuclear weapons at their disposal. To get around this obstacle, the only plausible way would be to engage the Israelis in a preemptive nuclear strike, turning them into a parking lot AND spreading a lot of deadly and lethal nuclear radiation on surrounding Arab countries. Many of their people would die too. Then again, do you care? Maybe not. But remember, offending the oil-producing Arab nations might be a very bad strategic move on the part of a newly-controlled United White States of North America. So, what scenario would your "kill all jews" plan use here?

6: The remaining world's countries has several million jews scattered helter-skelter in many, many nations. Question: How to you get to them in order to kill them? Do you send in American death squads, or perhaps strike a bargain with the locals to kill them for you? A tricky choice, no matter what.

I could go on and on, but I've gotten to the meat of the thing. Rounding up, transporting, building extermination camps, shooting, gassing, and generally slaughtering wholesale amounts of people, then resorting to the use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East and turning former Arab land into a radioactive wasteland sounds like a good way to make a lot of enemies. In short, your plan is insane, impractical, costly beyond measure, unnessarily murderous, and will destroy any chance of the WN movement ever having an opportunity to win. In fact, your kind of thinking is why we are losing.

And that's because you haven't the slightest wisp in your vicious little she-man brain about how to implement your plan. On the other hand, I have made a substantive case for why mass extermination is not tactically viable, economically wise, morally right, or even something that Mr. Greenjeans himself would allow his kiddies to play at. Finally, I'm still a human being, but let's not forget that even amongst our own kind, monsters still prowl.

I'd like to see them relocated to Israel and forced to live without any US aid.

Someday White Nationalists will come to power and we should not wait until then to start thinking about what we will do.

I would use this power to launch an all out mass public education campaign concerning what the dirty kikes have done to Occidental culture.

We would have man, woman and child building a REAL Wolzek in short order. I'm not kidding.

Once one finally comes to the full realization of what those foul jews have done/are doing, they will burn with revenge, and rightfully so! I look forward to Krystallnact II.

A natural reaction itz.

Krystallnact

A Glorious Event indeed ....

I would use this power to launch an all out mass public education campaign concerning what the dirty kikes have done to Occidental culture.

We would have man, woman and child building a REAL Wolzek in short order. I'm not kidding.

Once one finally comes to the full realization of what those foul jews have done/are doing, they will burn with revenge, and rightfully so! I look forward to Krystallnact II.

A natural reaction itz.

I have three questions for you, AR. Have you read all of the posts on this thread, especially mine? If so, did you read them attentively and with an open mind? Do you understand the line of reasoning that I have put forth in them?

If your answer to all three is yes, then could you write in your own words without copy and paste or quoting my words what you understand me to have said? I only want to know if you do understand my line of reasoning and still disagree with it or if your disagreement is the result of misunderstanding what I have written.

If your answer to the questions is no, would you please read them carefully, with an open mind and try to follow the logic of my argument. If this course of action leads you to understand my reasoning and agree with me, then let me know that. If it does not, we can then discuss where the source of disagreement lies.

That's rational discourse.

I await your response.

P.S. I would like to extend this same request to all on this thread who have disagreed with my position. There may be errors in my line of reasoning and, if there are, I would like for them to be made known to me so that I can correct them. Tell me in your own words what my argument is and then we will see if we can't come to some agreement.

For those of you enamored with the idea of killing jews, I believe, as the Madagascar Proclamation takes hold of the WN movement, that there will be opportunities for doing just that.

1: Those members of the MPS (Madagascar Proclamation Service) will be assigned to man the transport ships, railroads, aircraft, etc, dedicated to the facilitation of moving jews, at least in the beginning, from North America, Europe, and the Middle East. Removal will be done in a caring, professional way.

2: Those members of the MPQRT (Madagascar Proclamation QRT) would serve as our Madagascar Proclamation Quick-Response-Team, an elite military unit (shown below) that would be sent in to ferret out any jews recalcitrant to accept relocation to Madagascar.

3: And there it is. Some killing of jews will unfortunately have to happen. But if our new White Nationalist States of North America are ever to rise up and gain power, we won't do it by engaging in mindless hatred. THIS is the way to go, and I hope many more come to join me in thinking so.

So what's stopping you from starting now? You could get a head start on the job. Less to do later.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

Still sitting there?

I thought so.

See, I did trust you...to be a better man than you think you are.

I hope that you will excuse me if I continue to doubt that you could do it.

I would do it right now if only I'd see the quality of our people would cause a turn to the better for a world without Jews. Actually, the Whites I know personally have reached the peak of degeneracy. They have no higher goal in life, they are cowardly, treacherous, brainless and semitically correct. Whenever someone asks for immediate action against a common threat, they back down with lines such as: "Why should we punish all Jews for the acts of some?", "Any type of violence, regardless of circumstances, is unacceptable!", "We are all human beings and we should all respect eachother!". It appears these people are just fine under Jewish control so why should we sacrifice our lives for their unwanted liberation?

For those of you enamored with the idea of killing jews, I believe, as the Madagascar Proclamation takes hold of the WN movement, that there will be opportunities for doing just that.

1: Those members of the MPS (Madagascar Proclamation Service) will be assigned to man the transport ships, railroads, aircraft, etc, dedicated to the facilitation of moving jews, at least in the beginning, from North America, Europe, and the Middle East. Removal will be done in a caring, professional way.

2: Those members of the MPQRT (Madagascar Proclamation QRT) would serve as our Madagascar Proclamation Quick-Response-Team, an elite military unit (shown below) that would be sent in to ferret out any jews recalcitrant to accept relocation to Madagascar.

3: And there it is. Some killing of jews will unfortunately have to happen. But if our new White Nationalist States of North America are ever to rise up and gain power, we won't do it by engaging in mindless hatred. THIS is the way to go, and I hope many more come to join me in thinking so.

Gosh Professor, I was kind of thinking that after White Nationalism comes to power that women might be convinced to stay at home and take care of a whole slew of new white babies.

Occasionally I have written that placing women in physically demanding jobs in the military, as for example combat, is stupid and unworkable. Predictably I've gotten responses asserting that I hate women, abuse children, cannibalize orphans, and can't get a date. A few, with truculence sometimes amplified by misspelling, have demanded supporting data.

Fred Reed http://www.heretical.com/miscella/frcombat.html

So, my answer pretty much is your option 1.

I have three questions for you, AR. Have you read all of the posts on this thread

No.

especially mine?

No, but I did go back and read your first one again.

The masses of newly-awakened-to-the-jewish-problem white people would retain strong vestiges of Christian morality which would turn them against such a program.

Ah, I must add that in this case, my proposal of a mass educational program would include much propaganda focusing on Christians. Once they see that they have been duped, their strong vestiges of morality will demand swift justice, and again we will have Krystallnact II. Once Krystallnact II is complete the newly informed masses will build New Wolzek. Again, I'm very serious.

I doubt very much that even the most ardent WN, when confronted with actually having to personally participate in what he now fantasizes about, would not soon be repulsed on seeing the stark reality before his eyes of his actions.

We'll just have to wait see about that. I'd at least like to get to that point. If I am unable to pitch hymie and his dirty family into the oven, you can have your way with them.

I would do it right now if only I'd see the quality of our people would cause a turn to the better for a world without Jews. Actually, the Whites I know personally have reached the peak of degeneracy. They have no higher goal in life, they are cowardly, treacherous, brainless and semitically correct.

There is a difference betwen pessimism and defeatism. The situation may look bad but doing nothing is not an option. I guess that I have a better opinion of the masses of white people than you seem to have.

Whenever someone asks for immediate action against a common threat, they back down with lines such as: "Why should we punish all Jews for the acts of some?", "Any type of violence, regardless of circumstances, is unacceptable!", "We are all human beings and we should all respect eachother!". It appears these people are just fine under Jewish control so why should we sacrifice our lives for their unwanted liberation?

Recall, Aherne, that it was you who were asked why you do not take immediate action to rid the world of a problem in a manner that you believe to be morally appropriate. Yet you answer for "they".

I think that it's because you know that unnecessary killing is wrong. Now don't you?

"Any type of violence, regardless of circumstances, is unacceptable!",

If you are implying here that I believe this, you are mistaken. I have never said anything remotely like this. If it were necessary to kill in order to save the white race, then kill we must. But I don't believe that it is. Now.

Neither do you...I suspect.