UomoFinito,

Maybe it is stories like this that still give me hope:

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=8816

These kids were brainwashed, much like the people of today, but it did not take much to turn them around. I guess I feel that this has some truth, which lends hope that things can be turned around.

Also, right now it might be hard to change minds. But the economy is definitely due for a fall. Once there is rampant crime accompanied with hunger in the belly, it makes people see the truth rather quickly. People have been lulled into a stupor because of comfort. There will come an event, natural or man made, that will allow the people to be aroused. It's all a matter of the right place, right time, with the right message.

Right now we can work on perfecting the message, so that when the time comes, we will be ready to take advantage.

Your post stings because there is a lot of truth in it. I just hope that the situation is not as grim as you feel.

You can't talk down Glenn Miller because Glenn Miller it truth, itself.

Um. That's creepy.

(though not sure I understand the popshot against the Gaede girls)

Isn't that "potshot"?

Anyhow, I always take shots at them, because they're over-fetishized by White Nationalists. Everyone's sweet little germanic angels. It's so smarmy and stupid. They aren't talented in the least. Mere sex objects for the WN crowd and fodder for the media.

Logorhoea is an affliction. Even when it is accompanied by wondrous stuff like long-lost Pearson archives.

I agree. I understand the consternation of everyone here]nothing we do matters.

I just want the spintro back for entertainment.

a couple of points:
1. the brainstorming is great, and i hope it continues, and leads to some real progress. that's why i started this thread, to get ideas going, specifically how to STOP BIG JEW. first and foremost.
2. i had only vnn in mind for my "suggestion". the reason for this is several-fold:
a. vnn already hammers the jew harder than anyone i've seen on the net, and i just want to see that intensified and focused, and my suggestion was to stick with that, and POSSIBLY entertain educating other races about the evil of the jew, and turn them against the jew. that would entail, unfortunately, toning down the nigger bashing (which is such fun, i'd hate to give it up]

I agree that VNN is on point far more than these other WN sites and groups that focus on the symptoms of Jewry rather than the cause. But using VNN to educate Negros, hispanics, and other non whites of the Jeish agenda will be impossible using VNN.....any search into the archives of VNN will show a massive database of anti black etc media. They will only gravitate to the Jews who claim to care so much while we will be viewed as classic redneck KKK and classic skin head nazis. Also I do believe that VNN has its place obviously (look at us here now) but one of the main objectives in this venture will be to simply add MORE anti semitic sites onto the net in general.....We are losing the battle of numbers against the Jews on this one. Like I said before.......Type "White Pride" into any search engine and you will see 2 million pro-jew, Pro-Israel sites. and maybe 1-2 WN sites.....We need to take up the front search page of results to drive traffic our way. Type "jew" or "jews" and the only site for anti-zionism that is on the front search page is Jew Watch.....thats 1 out of 10. We need at least 5 out of 10.

I want the results for typing "Black pride" to show anti semitic site returns as well.....Am I making any sense...lol?

In a nut shell....we need sites taylored for negros and hispanics against Jews........We need sites taylored for Christians in general against Jews. We need sites to attract other WN to our cause in greater numbers. We need sites just to flood the search results with more sites on OUR side.

USAG

I've said it once and I will say it again....Eventually you will too. "With Jews.......YOU LOSE"

 

I agree. I understand the consternation of everyone here]nothing we do matters.

"Nothing" sounds too final. Keep in mind that some 1000 smelly, little, cowering yids succeeded putting the Russian Empire on it's knees. If they can do it, we can do it. We are better at anything, right?

That's interesting, Magnus, and I hadn't heard of it before. It would be a brilliant way to side-step deconstructing an entire belief system: gradually inculcating form and ingroup protocol. This is basically what the military does for its own ends. When the kids are at last saluting and participating in class, they would be ripe for factual deprogramming.

Very interesting experiment which should be further studied.

It does, however, hinge on non-interference from Big Brother. And that won't happen. At best, one could theoretically develop a homeschooling network among White Nationalists (for lack of a better term), but this would sooner or later draw negative attention and the State could very easily take all the children.

It's things like this which would be useful, but ultimately cannot be used for lack of salubrious environment.

UomoFinito,

Maybe it is stories like this that still give me hope:

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=8816

These kids were brainwashed, much like the people of today, but it did not take much to turn them around. I guess I feel that this has some truth, which lends hope that things can be turned around.

Also, right now it might be hard to change minds. But the economy is definitely due for a fall. Once there is rampant crime accompanied with hunger in the belly, it makes people see the truth rather quickly. People have been lulled into a stupor because of comfort. There will come an event, natural or man made, that will allow the people to be aroused. It's all a matter of the right place, right time, with the right message.

Right now we can work on perfecting the message, so that when the time comes, we will be ready to take advantage.

Your post stings because there is a lot of truth in it. I just hope that the situation is not as grim as you feel.

"Nothing" sounds too final. Keep in mind that some 1000 smelly, little, cowering yids succeeded putting the Russian Empire on it's knees. If they can do it, we can do it. We are better at anything, right?

No, I am not one of those who always say whites are best at everything. Jews are clearly superior at retaining wealth and using it wisely. They are clearly more clever with language, which means dishonest.

I'm afraid your comparison is no better than the German's comparison of Germany and America. Comparisons are very tricky. White Nationalists have an ineradicable lack of feeling and interest in historical conditions which make certain comparisons absurd and fruitless. Those scruffy yids were able to storm the Imperial palace because security was low and all they had to do was rush the guards. It was a more chivalrous time, you see. Politicians and rulers didn't imagine that a "revolutionary proletariat" would be so villainous as to assassinate them: it was unheard of. The same thing when the anarchist Bresci killed King Umberto. The more this happened, the more the holes were plugged up. 9-11 was the last straw: the rule is now absolute security. Besides, what would we storm, and to what end? The social problems we face are much larger and more complex than those faced by revolutionary yids in Russia, 1917. That was the Old World. Looking back to it for proof that we could take out our oppressors is false. It only proves one set of conditions]every time a White Nationalist makes a comparison, he is assuming ultimate success. To make that point finer still: White Nationalism is delusional.

So everyone is free to look back at Lenin's crew or over to the NPD and think that one or the other is what we have to imitate to "win". I say there is no winning, only more losing, and what we do in the meantime - how we deal with loss - is an open question. My own suggestion is similar to the Russian example, but not predicated on any false hopes.

I see too many mutter under their breath, and too many who do not really fall in line with multi-culturalism (through their actions - white flight). I have to hope that the situation is better than what you believe. If not, then I fear that it is over. In any event, if we don't have any more support than we do now, I do not see how just a handful can really make effective change. Again, I will do some research.

Well, you at least consider what I'm saying, and I suspect you're teetering on the brink of sheer disbelief.

I see them muttering too. That's very striking: you can get most whites to let their hair down, so to speak, provided you corner them while alone, and maybe ply them with spirits. I've met a lot of women, of all people, who are at heart racists and Jew-skeptics. But you have to keep in mind, this is just muttering and private discontent. We're on a habitrail here: most go along with it, some mutter and move away if they can - and I believe those who go along are usually those who couldn't afford to move away - and the few, us, go back and forth because we're fucked. I ascribe a good deal of our infighting to regional and racial differences (North/South, Germanic/Scottish/other-European), but probably most of it is the result of just having nothing else to do but kick around the same old shit, which the internet makes easy and inevitable.

It stings, but truth is suppose to sting. If you are comforted by anything you're probably just sweet-talking yourself.

All we need to do is pull back the Jewish curtain......People will believe.....They may be afraid to act in a public manner....but they will believe....What this means is that they will tell their closest friends and family members what they have learned......this in turn should cause a snowball effect. Even if the media squashes all of this.....the people will take personal action .....not buying Jewish goods.....not watching so much mindless jewish TV.......Not trusting the jews they come acrossed in their lives......in turn not spending money on the jewish services. even if thats all that happens...its worth every minute of time....its worth every dollar spent. I for one am not going to cast aside my trust and belief in the people, especialy My beloved white race. Those who dont think this can work.....so be it....move on and post somewhere other than here......those who are willing to give this a shot(a new and different fight aimed completely at anti zionism) lets put our heads together and quit bickering with non believers.

USAG

Uomo says I don't work with skinheads, thinks I've opted for some sort of respectability. I have done, and continue to be on the streets. WHere it matters, where people are. Elections is a tactic!

In my personal situation I am lucky and the most frightening thing of all is too see his arrogance mirroring mine when I was younger but the substantive points remain unanswered. But Uomo doesn't know me. I'm not upset by his hostility and I am encouraged by his apparent sincerity. Let's just hope he understands that white activists have the right to follow their own path.

Note dear VNNers how he hates Germans, slates the Gaedes and is very down on all but Americans. And I thought this was a white world struggle. What has to be accepted is that there are many ways to the ultimate victory. In my political work, which is as valuable as anyone else's and is a daily occurence, I seek to awaken people in stages. That is good advice to anyone whether in America or Australia.

Uomo is making it personal and there is no need to. I am only interested in what is good for our people. White people. Wherever they are. We are making progress. It is solid progress, based on talking and interacting with people.

And that is a good thing.

You need to refine your own "fact", philosophaster.

Get a clue. Nothing needs to be refined.

USA Gentile, I hear what you're saying but what is the difference between what Rockwell did in the 1960s with his "expose the Jews" activities and what you're proposing, or supporting, now?

"They will believe" once the truth is shown to them? Are you sure? Does 50 years of total failure harping on almost exclusively about the Jews encourage you to believe so? What is the difference between what you are hoping for and what American NS activists argued in the 1960s?

Believe me we've had that debate here too. In the end, common sense politics always prevails but I agree that at some stage people need to understand who and what is really behind their situation. But get them involved first with more pressing political and community issues like the Mexican flood, anti-immigration, social and moral decline. Building an effective local group no matter how small. Doesn't matter what it's called. Build up trust and then working to gain the public's trust.

You see, I think this is harder and more time-consuming but more useful in the long term.

And do you think that it is as simple as "just getting rid of the Jews". Aren't there other factors as well and don't they need to be considered?

USA Gentile, I hear what you're saying but what is the difference between what Rockwell did in the 1960s with his "expose the Jews" activities and what you're proposing, or supporting, now?

"They will believe" once the truth is shown to them? Are you sure? Does 50 years of total failure harping on almost exclusively about the Jews encourage you to believe so? What is the difference between what you are hoping for and what American NS activists argued in the 1960s?

Believe me we've had that debate here too. In the end, common sense politics always prevails but I agree that at some stage people need to understand who and what is really behind their situation. But get them involved first with more pressing political and community issues like the Mexican flood, anti-immigration, social and moral decline. Building an effective local group no matter how small. Doesn't matter what it's called. Build up trust and then working to gain the public's trust.

You see, I think this is harder and more time-consuming but more useful in the long term.

And do you think that it is as simple as "just getting rid of the Jews". Aren't there other factors as well and don't they need to be considered?

All valid points.....Yet in the 60's the Jewish Agenda was not so obvious....we have WAY too much obvious ammo to use as validation for our points in current times. Also there was no Internet in the 60's......We now have a medium to reach FAR more people at work and in their homes without them having to buy or accept printed material that they are afraid others might see them reading. We also have farv better relations between Whaites and Negros as in the 60's.....This gives us as white people a much better chance of getting through to the negro and other races. I think we have a chance that has never been available to us like it is now.

Most other factors we have to deal with are just side effects of what the Jews are doing.......Cut out the cancer.....and MOST of the symptoms will be gone.

"But get them involved first with more pressing political and community issues like the Mexican flood, anti-immigration, social and moral decline."

These issues are all side effects of the Zionist system we are faced with....With the evidence available it can be brought to the attention of ALL.

USAG

Uomo says I don't work with skinheads, thinks I've opted for some sort of respectability. I have done, and continue to be on the streets. WHere it matters, where people are. Elections is a tactic!

In my personal situation I am lucky and the most frightening thing of all is too see his arrogance mirroring mine when I was younger but the substantive points remain unanswered. But Uomo doesn't know me. I'm not upset by his hostility and I am encouraged by his apparent sincerity. Let's just hope he understands that white activists have the right to follow their own path.

Note dear VNNers how he hates Germans, slates the Gaedes and is very down on all but Americans. And I thought this was a white world struggle. What has to be accepted is that there are many ways to the ultimate victory. In my political work, which is as valuable as anyone else's and is a daily occurence, I seek to awaken people in stages. That is good advice to anyone whether in America or Australia.

Uomo is making it personal and there is no need to. I am only interested in what is good for our people. White people. Wherever they are. We are making progress. It is solid progress, based on talking and interacting with people.

And that is a good thing.

I am all for whites from all over the world to win out as well....and yes it is a good thing. :cheers: