Get a clue. Nothing needs to be refined.

Not to a self-important young Yockeyite, no. Never.

Elections is a tactic!

A useless one.

Let's just hope he understands that white activists have the right to follow their own path.

This is what you have to do. You came here telling us what to do. I didn't get on freier-widerstand.net or Skadi or Stormfroth and tell you guys what to do. We're all well aware of the faults here, but they aren't aware of the faults in your own scene. All they have to do is go to Skadi and watch the same back-and-forth take place. I'll probably follow some of the threads and translate them, so everyone can see how you guys behave very much like us. People slag Holger Apfel as much as people here slag Duke. Your error is in refusing to admit that you were presumptuous. Your ideology is wrong too, but I've gone over that ad nauseam. I don't believe in any "ultimate victory". That's just hot air you need to get through the day.

Note dear VNNers how he hates Germans,

I do not hate Germans. I despise Germans, and many great "Germans" had similar distaste for your weak points: Goethe, Nietzsche and Hitler among them. I should like to add two sons of the Germanic world in America: Mencken and Linder.

Stop trying to trump up support by appealing to scandal. I got people to look at what I was saying. So far, you haven't addressed a single point.

And I thought this was a white world struggle.

It ain't. Wilkommen in den Vereinigten Staaten, nancy.

What has to be accepted is that there are many ways to the ultimate victory.

Fortissimo:

YOU CAME HERE LECTURING US ABOUT HOW TO OPERATE, NOT THE REVERSE.

If I am on your ass now, it is your fault. You are playing on the credulity of my countrymen in believing your scene is just about ready to take over the fucking Bundestag -- all because, TO SAY IT FOR THE LAST MOTHERFUCKING TIME, Mecklenburg got 7% of the electorate in an area which amounts to a series of large puddles punctuated by miserable gray towns no one, German or otherwise, wants to be in.

Dude, I know you, your scene, and your rhetoric like the back of my fucking hand. So go back to Skabies or Stormfroth, as you no doubt came from one of them, and rue the sad, sad state of affairs at VNN, where raving American haters made you feel uncomfortable.

Or keep posting, and I swear to fucking Christ, I shall reply to every last one.

USA Gentile, I hear what you're saying but what is the difference between what Rockwell did in the 1960s with his "expose the Jews" activities and what you're proposing, or supporting, now?

Hey, smartass, what's the difference between the NPD's vote-base today and in 1969? About 2.7%.

Almost forty years and you STILL have not reached the level you were at in the 60's. Know why you're getting votes in the East now? I believe in your language it is called die Wende. We call it reunification, or latching the fucked-out rump of the Ostsiedlung back onto the Americanized whore called BRD. That's all. No other reason. No revolution in sight, just some Ossis making a little wave in their pond because they can no more get jobs under BRD than they could under GDR.

Does 50 years of total failure harping on almost exclusively about the Jews encourage you to believe so?

Does 40 years of total failure harping on almost exclusively about the bombing of Dresden, the "murder" of Rudolf Hess, and Hartz-IV encourage you to believe so?

You are so endlessly arrogant, Hansl. Americans are all wrong. We are doing nothing (almost correct), you Germans have it all together and are going to start a revolution (laughably incorrect).

In America, we can still speak somewhat freely. Not in public, lest we are jeered at and driven out of society. Not in government, because the Jew is there. We still have some freedom to speak on the internet, and we use this freedom to speak about those who put us here: the Jews. If you can't handle it, leave. Telling us we've accomplished nothing since Rockwell is something we already know. We don't need an officious kraut, who talks over our heads, to tell us that. But you know what the real difference is, here? We have not, in the past 40 years, wavered in naming the Jew. Duke wavered, I guess. Some other guys wavered or left the country. Yet, as the situation grows more dire, the truthing gets harder. Who knows? One day you might wake up and find that we'd done something very, very childish.

Building an effective local group no matter how small. Doesn't matter what it's called.

Guess what? It's called the Minutemen. And surprise, the Mexicans are still here.

Bugger off, Hansl.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=vanguardnewsnetwork.com

This is VNN's latest on vistor's number's.

Hey, smartass, what's the difference between the NPD's vote-base today and in 1969? About 2.7%.

Almost forty years and you STILL have not reached the level you were at in the 60's. Know why you're getting votes in the East now? I believe in your language it is called die Wende. We call it reunification, or latching the fucked-out rump of the Ostsiedlung back onto the Americanized whore called BRD. That's all. No other reason. No revolution in sight, just some Ossis making a little wave in their pond because they can no more get jobs under BRD than they could under GDR.

Does 40 years of total failure harping on almost exclusively about the bombing of Dresden, the "murder" of Rudolf Hess, and Hartz-IV encourage you to believe so?

You are so endlessly arrogant, Hansl. Americans are all wrong. We are doing nothing (almost correct), you Germans have it all together and are going to start a revolution (laughably incorrect).

In America, we can still speak somewhat freely. Not in public, lest we are jeered at and driven out of society. Not in government, because the Jew is there. We still have some freedom to speak on the internet, and we use this freedom to speak about those who put us here: the Jews. If you can't handle it, leave. Telling us we've accomplished nothing since Rockwell is something we already know. We don't need an officious kraut, who talks over our heads, to tell us that. But you know what the real difference is, here? We have not, in the past 40 years, wavered in naming the Jew. Duke wavered, I guess. Some other guys wavered or left the country. Yet, as the situation grows more dire, the truthing gets harder. Who knows? One day you might wake up and find that we'd done something very, very childish.

Guess what? It's called the Minutemen. And surprise, the Mexicans are still here.

Bugger off, Hansl.

You need a rest, uno. Take off 7 days.

You need a rest, uno. Take off 7 days.

If that is a ban, resistance is futile.

No, I am not one of those who always say whites are best at everything. Jews are clearly superior at retaining wealth and using it wisely. They are clearly more clever with language, which means dishonest.

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Always make sure you've understood what you've been told. Blathering is cheap. Only results matter. Brilliance is no excuse.

uno sure did a good job at shitting all over this thread and throwing it off track. don't know if it was intentional or not.
for once, i agree with banning someone. but i still think it should only be temporary, say, a week at most. of course, if someone comes back and shits all over everything again and again, then i guess a permanent ban is necessary.

I might be slightly prejudiced in favour of the Germanic people (lol, as you say) but Uomo's comments about his "despising" Germans doesn't seem very pro-white to me! A ban in this case in justified as all his sound a fury doesn't appear to have produced much heat and a great deal of light.

Several of us who work behind the scenes noted his appearance just before the Rounder saga started in earnest. Fascinating timing.

Anyway, he is, to me, trying to stop sensible and reasoned comment and debate from taking place.

Mike W, 88!

Uomo kind of reminds me of a former poster we've had here. He is well versed in the various VNNF cult personality dramas, so he is by no means a new member who just wandered in. Probably been reading Linder for a few years now. Obviously a bright young man wanting a real fight.
Hard not to respect the fellow. You may disagree with him MW88, but I think he is correct.

In America, it is the jew and the jew alone that is our menance. Our reason to function as real viable alternative. Anything else is pissing in the wind and stating the obvious...'dem niggers and spics...ruining the country..'. sure. And everyone is well aware of this. By ignoring the jew and shining the light on brown skinned immigrants and negroid sub-humans, all we do is make the nonwhites appear all that more interesting, all the more dangerous, all the more mysterious.
The ones your parents warned you about.
No wonder we have millions of white kids afflicted with whiggerism and young girls seeing the niggers as the ultimate in what's 'cool'. You know, the negores have fully embraced their 'niggerisms' because it works for them. They are so good at being the vicious niggers that they use this to get power over the prey like white masses. Negroes act the part because they see whites are deathly afraid of them. Fear equals power. Cycle repeats. 100 years ago, white men in America would laugh out loud and round up uppity nonwhites and shoot them and then cover with dirt. Now they look down as they walk by.

His words hit me like a punch to the jaw. the jew and the jew alone. This is VNN. Nonwhite subhumans the symptoms. The incognito slick jew the diease.
Until you understand this fully, you are useless to us except of course the silly 'let's look into ourselves and work together' bullshit.
We may lose and lose badly. This is a real possibility. Defeatism? Perhaps. Do we have collectively as a race in America have any real reason not to be?
Fair question.
And I don't blame the WN movement by itself. Jews keep a watchful eye on all our proceedings. And the masses of asses white have either turned their back on their people in favor of jeebus and his good book or in favor of cheap vacations in Vegas with all the rum, card games and pussy they can handle.
Take your pick! Total slavery to the jews either way. We just choose to take sugar with the jew's poison as we swallow and beg for more.

Oh, those cleaver kikes we scream. Yes, they truly are.
MW88, I don't want to rain on your NPD parade. Uomo is well schooled in your system and its specifics. I've learned a bit from his posts. So for this, he is a fine addition to this forum.
We need more like him. So the ban just serves to jewdify the forum a bit.

In '05 I was in Germany near Marburg. At a close get together, we discussed the usual politics. All the good Germans pulled no punches about the Turkish menance and nonwhite immigrants to Germany...I stated that I would vote NPD. Afew looked at me surprised. A Turk hating girl said they were "like the Nazis". I laughed.
And I said so what's the bad news? A few sheepish grins all around.

I'm a bit more optimistic then Uuomo actually. I think by any objective measure the Nordic race is superior. Superior in intelligence, creativity, looks and organization. Maybe we can form small cohesive communities and breed for awhile.
The alternative of losing this badly to the jews is hardly imaginable. But this is a real possibility. You can't utter the word "Jew" in Germany in any real opposition and you know this.

They marginalize us and makes us look like kooks, yes. The masses heartily respond and follow their lines as expected. But we can still utter the word "Jew" with all the hate we can muster. At least we can still use the word.

We shall see in a few years time if this holds. When Uoumo comes back from his ban, I'd like to read more of his thoughts on these matters.
Can't say he hasn't impressed me with his knowledge.
We need serious discussions and debates on here. This forum sucks without real deep thinkers.

Uomo kind of reminds me of a former poster we've had here. He is well versed in the various VNNF cult personality dramas, so he is by no means a new member who just wandered in. Probably been reading Linder for a few years now. Obviously a bright young man wanting a real fight.
Hard not to respect the fellow. You may disagree with him MW88, but I think he is correct.

In America, it is the jew and the jew alone that is our menance. Our reason to function as real viable alternative. Anything else is pissing in the wind and stating the obvious...'dem niggers and spics...ruining the country..'. sure. And everyone is well aware of this. By ignoring the jew and shining the light on brown skinned immigrants and negroid sub-humans, all we do is make the nonwhites appear all that more interesting, all the more dangerous, all the more mysterious.
The ones your parents warned you about.
No wonder we have millions of white kids afflicted with whiggerism and young girls seeing the niggers as the ultimate in what's 'cool'. You know, the negores have fully embraced their 'niggerisms' because it works for them. They are so good at being the vicious niggers that they use this to get power over the prey like white masses. Negroes act the part because they see whites are deathly afraid of them. Fear equals power. Cycle repeats. 100 years ago, white men in America would laugh out loud and round up uppity nonwhites and shoot them and then cover with dirt. Now they look down as they walk by.

His words hit me like a punch to the jaw. the jew and the jew alone. This is VNN. Nonwhite subhumans the symptoms. The incognito slick jew the diease.
Until you understand this fully, you are useless to us except of course the silly 'let's look into ourselves and work together' bullshit.
We may lose and lose badly. This is a real possibility. Defeatism? Perhaps. Do we have collectively as a race in America have any real reason not to be?
Fair question.
And I don't blame the WN movement by itself. Jews keep a watchful eye on all our proceedings. And the masses of asses white have either turned their back on their people in favor of jeebus and his good book or in favor of cheap vacations in Vegas with all the rum, card games and pussy they can handle.
Take your pick! Total slavery to the jews either way. We just choose to take sugar with the jew's poison as we swallow and beg for more.

Oh, those cleaver kikes we scream. Yes, they truly are.
MW88, I don't want to rain on your NPD parade. Uomo is well schooled in your system and its specifics. I've learned a bit from his posts. So for this, he is a fine addition to this forum.
We need more like him. So the ban just serves to jewdify the forum a bit.

In '05 I was in Germany near Marburg. At a close get together, we discussed the usual politics. All the good Germans pulled no punches about the Turkish menance and nonwhite immigrants to Germany...I stated that I would vote NPD. Afew looked at me surprised. A Turk hating girl said they were "like the Nazis". I laughed.
And I said so what's the bad news? A few sheepish grins all around.

I'm a bit more optimistic then Uuomo actually. I think by any objective measure the Nordic race is superior. Superior in intelligence, creativity, looks and organization. Maybe we can form small cohesive communities and breed for awhile.
The alternative of losing this badly to the jews is hardly imaginable. But this is a real possibility. You can't utter the word "Jew" in Germany in any real opposition and you know this.

They marginalize us and makes us look like kooks, yes. The masses heartily respond and follow their lines as expected. But we can still utter the word "Jew" with all the hate we can muster. At least we can still use the word.

We shall see in a few years time if this holds. When Uoumo comes back from his ban, I'd like to read more of his thoughts on these matters.
Can't say he hasn't impressed me with his knowledge.
We need serious discussions and debates on here. This forum sucks without real deep thinkers.

I totally Agree. The Problem is solely the jew...I saw this movie last night(Saved!....Produced by Sandy STERN) and it made fun of Christians the entire movie. HAHA and the real savior figure in the movie is some wacky rebellious jew slut girl! HA! F*ck that! I almost threw up watching this filth.

"With Jews...YOU LOSE" .... "FOrever and a day"

No dis-agreement. I think my statement was perhaps poorly written:
There is an elite class (which actually is made up of both jews and non-jews thought controlled by the jews) that is in the process of enslaving all of us.

I did not mean letting "Jews who feel controlled by jews" to be a part of the movement, but was rather saying that the elite (Bush, CFR, Skull&Bones, Bohemian Grove crowd) was also part of the Jewish conspiracy.

But on the other hand, now that you mention it, wouldn't having some jews on our side give us some firepower? I would imagine that the elite ruling jews do not include all jews. I have met some non-connected jews that were definitely not in the ruling elite class, and who would probably be against the enslavement of mankind through a new world order. I may be wrong, and perhaps was deceived, but just like there are white race traitors, I am sure there would be some jew traitors (patriots) as well. If that group were ever to develop, then they would definitely be locked into the Part I group in my original post. Any other level, they might find offensive.

As far as having this be a purely VNN thing. I don't know if that could be possible. What would the non-white enemies of a jewish conspiracy think when they see all of the posts trashing them? They would probably be turned off immediately and collapse all momentum.

Look at it this way, how many pro jewish groups are there in this country? How many groups are run by jews, that do not overtly talk about jewish issues, but serve their cause? There is a reason for having numerous groups. They can get support from as diverse a population as possible, while speaking directly to them.

I do, however, feel that VNN would be pivotal in bringing on board the white patriots, as well as providing a forum for uniquely white interests. There needs to be other forums, though, for interests that are broader than white-only issues. The control of world governments by the jews is definitely one of these broader issues, in my opinion. I would love any help and input from Alex, though. I know that this is an issue that he feels is of primary importance, and I am not trying to circumvent any work that he has done. I think it would be absolutely necessary to have the assistance of all VNNers involved in this project(s). My knowledge concerning the jewish control of society is minimal compared to people like Alex, so I think it would be crazy to view this as something that can be done without people like him. If Alex could help us get off the ground, that would be the best thing that could happen (since I would be a newbie at this).

I will look into Hush mail. I was thinking about PGP, but will look into what type of security Hush mail uses (I've never bothered with encryption for communications before).

Yes I could help with websites, as well as infrastructure. My technical background is pretty broad (software engineering as well as network engineering for numerous platforms, 14 years experience) - so I should be able to assist in many ways. I have to tell you I am not much of a photoshopper (I try...), so anyone would good graphic skills would definitely be helpful.

I guess right now, we should probably just take a roll call of who might be involved. Taking it offline at some point would probably be a good idea. It looks like right now, we have two who are enlisted. Hopefully more will step up. I think this is a great idea....

I'm in.

"Who's all in? Since you put yourself on my..." hehe.

Screw him lets focus on the topic at hand.....His attempts to throw us off of the Jewish problem have worked....lets ignore the negativity towards whites and get back on track to figuring out how we can start this.

USAG

I would like to see if we can maybe turn this thread into an actual sub-section under the Activism section. Right now it appears that we have 3 on board. If we can get a few more volunteers, I am sure we can get started.

I also have two friends who are not on VNN right now. I am sure that they would be interested in joining VNN and this project.

I would also like to suggest that we combine our expenses for this project with another idea that is starting to gain traction:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=38509#post435844

I have posted some information on acquiring a co-location that seems to be reasonably priced. We can piggy back our efforts with that project in order to save expenses and actually get something off the ground.

-Magnus