Originally Posted by Ironguard1940
..."Hitler then went on to do a great many other things,
some of them truly bad." -Edgar Steele

Like what, for instance, Ed?

He stopped at 6 mil.

Originally Posted by Ironguard1940
..."Hitler then went on to do a great many other things,
some of them truly bad."
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Okay, Steve B, I did not post this. I may have posted the quote from another VNNer to respond to it, but I certainly did not write this.
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He didn't stop at 6 mil.
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What is so truly bad about not stopping at 6,000,000 jews gassed or cooked? OK, OK, let me stop. I have already covered this ground several times. I do not want to get into this debate again.

I think he meant to say he stopped. Funny, but I dont believe any of the pillars of holohoax orthodoxy-- not that hitler ordered extermination, not that there were gas chambers, and not the holy 6 million figure.

Basically I think he ordered them mostly rounded up and deported or used for slave labor, and that in the camps they were killed at times to maintain discipline, and that most of them died from typhus, malnutrition, or other diseases.

The 6 million figure is impossible, maybe it was 1 or 2 million. Who knows-- if we subtract the number of Jews who have received holocaust reparations after 45 from the number in Axis controlled Europe in 41, you'd probably find positive population growth between 41 and 45!

Originally Posted by Ironguard1940
..."Hitler then went on to do a great many other things,
some of them truly bad."
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Okay, Steve B, I did not post this. I may have posted the quote from another VNNer to respond to it, but I certainly did not write this.

Sorry IG, you were quoting what Edgar Steele said. I edited my post to reflect that.

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He didn't stop at 6 mil.
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What is so truly bad about not stopping at 6,000,000 jews gassed or cooked? OK, OK, let me stop. I have already covered this ground several times. I do not want to get into this debate again.

I guess the joke went over your head.

Steve B wrote:

I guess the joke went over your head.
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That is possible. It's been a long day, I have been ill, the baby is cranky, so am I, so yes, the joke could have gone right over my noggin. I will just say, in conclusion, that whatever perceived ills Hitler may have perpetrated, the good he did made up for it many times over. He made some errors, mainly militarily, but his was the only true, explicit pro-White government in recorded
history. For that, I salute him, the National Socialists and the Axis Powers (Including the Iron Guard-aren't I shameless in my promotion?) that helped Germany and the NS during WW2. White Solidarity. :box:

Mr. Steele is incorrect in the above statement: Hess was NOT executed by the British "as the war wound down". In fact, Hess lived to the ripe old age of 92, in Spandau prison. Also, Hess' first name was spelled "Rudolf", not "Rudolph". 14

You are absolutely correct! That's what happens when you write strictly from memory and you get a couple of memory wires crossed. Call it Old-Timer's Disease. Doesn't impact the point of the statement, which was to point out that Hess attempted to broker peace and then got the back of the Brits' hands.

I've changed my on-line column and will re-record it one of these days.

Incidentally, I must have gotten at least a hundred emails from list members pointing this out - quite correctly, mind you. Thanks to all who did.

-ed

Mr. Steele is incorrect in the above statement: Hess was NOT executed by the British "as the war wound down". In fact, Hess lived to the ripe old age of 92, in Spandau prison.
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That might not be entirely correct, TOL.

Flying under the clouds of the Hess mystery flight
IAIN LUNDY

EVEN at face value, at its most simple, the story of Rudolf Hess - Hitler's "lone nut" deputy, and his 900-mile wartime flight from Germany to Scotland on an apparent peace mission that ended with his plane crashing into a field in Renfrewshire - is one of the most bizarre and intriguing tales of the 20th century.

The history books tell us that in 1941 Hess, in the so-called lone nut theory, took it upon himself to fly to Scotland and try to meet the Duke of Hamilton in the hope of brokering a peace deal, only to crash his Messerschmitt-110 near the village of Eaglesham before being captured and held as a prisoner until the war ended. He stood trial at Nuremberg and was sentenced to spend the rest of his life in Berlin's Spandau Prison where he committed suicide in 1987.

Debris from Hess's plane is scattered across a Renfrewshire field, May 1941.
Picture: Getty/Hulton Archive
If only it was all so simple. The truth behind the strange and mysterious act continues to baffle people today. What was the real mission of Hess?

The Hess flight took place when wartime espionage was at its height. The need to bolster the country's morale in the early part of the war meant the flourishing of intelligence and counter-intelligence officers with their relentless spread of propaganda and hushing up of military setbacks. In short, no-one could be certain about the truth of anything.

Into this culture flew Rudolf Hess, the Deputy Fuhrer and the man responsible for the organising and structuring of the Nazi Party. Conspiracy theorists went into overdrive. Hess, some said, was lured here by British secret services…..The Duke of Hamilton was a Nazi sympathiser….the man in the plane was not Hess but a doppelgänger…..Hess was trapped by a plan laid by intelligence officer Ian Fleming, the creator of James Bond…..The British royal family was "in" on the scheme.

Not unnaturally the theories were dismissed as nonsense. Intriguingly, however, at the Nuremberg War Trials of 1945, Hermann Goering, Hitler's Luftwaffe commander and a man who knew more than most about the higher echelons of the Nazi Party, was asked about the man named Hess who was on trial with him. He replied: "Hess? Which Hess? The Hess you have here? Our Hess? Your Hess?"

Many are convinced that the man who died alone in Spandau was not Hess but a body double and that the entire crash incident was staged. Of the many books that have been written suggesting possible theories, some say the real Hess was interrogated then executed at a house near Fort William, others that he died in the same plane crash near Dunbeath, Caithness, that killed Prince George, Duke of Kent.

The theories blossomed on the back of the British government's refusal to release secret papers on the case until earlier this year. Even when the files were declassified, many were missing, lost or destroyed – adding more fuel to the conspiracy flames.

Lord James Douglas-Hamilton, the son of the wartime Duke of Hamilton, who wrote the book The Truth About Rudolf Hess, recently uncovered previously hidden documents about the case. He claims his findings reveal that neither MI5, the British security service, nor the Duke had any interest in or knowledge of peace negotiations with the Germans.

The Secret Services, Lord James says, did consider using his father as a double agent after intercepting a letter intended for the Duke sent via an intermediary by Albrecht Haushofer, one of Hess's close advisers. The letter suggested that the Duke and Hess should meet in Portugal to discuss peace but the plan was thought too dangerous.

It was a purely unauthorised mission. Hitler did not know about it and was furious when he found out, that is clear from the papers.
-- Lord James Douglas-Hamilton

"The whole thing was a great shock to my father when it emerged. In fact he wrote at the time that he hoped the whole affair would be treated as a four-day wonder. I think he was being a bit optimistic," says Lord James.

Lord James, an MSP for the Lothians, said the claims that his father had been a Nazi sympathiser had not been hurtful to the family but adds: "I was irritated that the government was suppressing documents which I thought was neither necessary nor desirable. As a result, conspiracy theories grew up when the British had such a good story to tell."

He claims his research knocks firmly on the head the theory that Hess was lured here as part of a plot by British Intelligence to engage in peace negotiations. He also clears the name of his father who, even the most ardent theorists agree, was an "unwilling victim" in the whole saga.

What the research will not do, however, is satisfy everyone. Since Hess was found at Floors Farm, Eaglesham, by ploughman David McLean, an industry has grown up around the unprecedented incident.

We have certainly not heard the last of the mystery of Rudolf Hess.

Related topic

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http://heritage.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1321
This article: http://heritage.scotsman.com/myths.cfm?id=1802742005

http://heritage.scotsman.com/myths.cfm?id=1802742005

I saw one of the Fox shows Steele did. What is with our guys when they get on national TV, they get asked a question and they go on the defensive. Steele was asked about the Hilter smiley faces, he stated, "Oh the girls were just mocking Hilter" with those shirts - WTF !

On national TV our 'spokesmen' need to have BIGGER balls than that.

Actually, what I said was that the SHIRTS mock Hitler (trust me, he would not have been amused) and that the point of them is that they are funny. They ARE funny and those who don't think so need to lighten up...a lot. Were the Gaede twins promoting Hitler by wearing them? No. That's the point I was contradicting and it was properly done.

I keep reading here and elsewhere that one guy would say this and another would say that to one interviewer or another. If you ever get the chance to stand in front of a camera, knowing that a national audience is watching you live and that what you say matters to a great many people, let's see if you manage to remember even how to speak, let along think, let alone make serious points that challenge the inquisitors (and it is an inquisition when we appear, believe me).

I write repeatedly about objectives. I am not appearing to make points with VNN Forum members, who clearly are in the choir.

First and foremost, I have an agenda to advance on behalf of my clients and there almost always are things going on of which you are unaware. Only later, usually much later, can I disclose precisely why I might have said or done something.

Secondly, I operate within the bounds of my principles....mine, not yours, not hers, not his. Want to know what mine are? Read my book. I do not appear in order to swagger or call names - I appear to get results.

While I am on that subject, I was watching the rerun of Fox' The Big Story and thought to myself, when I heard myself say, "I am a White Separatist," have I ever heard anybody who looks like a card-carrying member of the establishment say that before? No. That, alone, was worth the price of admission. Quite aside from that, however, I made some serious points about the "Holocaust," established a disconnect between Separatism and Hitler worship and worked on creating a distinction between Separatism and Supremacy. These are recurring themes in these appearances for me and they are important if we are to attract anything other than the most disfunctional and disaffected members of society to our cause.

Potok made it clear that they read these forums on the "Dayside" segment the other day. Keep that in mind and consider whether you really want to needlessly fire off arrows into the backs of the people who have been carrying your water out in the arena of full public view.

-ed

I think he meant to say he stopped. Funny, but I dont believe any of the pillars of holohoax orthodoxy-- not that hitler ordered extermination, not that there were gas chambers, and not the holy 6 million figure.

There is a notable absence of material and circumstancial evidence of both any such official order and an actual prosecution of gassings on the 6 million scale. No mountains of ash, no factory-sized gas chambers, no practical method of poisoning (Zyklon B was a weak agricultural pesticide), no oral admission by German officials, etc. There were only a couple small, improperly ventilated "gas chambers", "found" after the war on the soviet side of the german occupation. Red Cross estimates between 250,000 and 300,000 camp deaths; as stated mostly the result of allied bombing, typhus, and malnutrition due to cut supply-lines. The holohoax is perhaps the biggest lie yet proferred by Judentum. It enables the Exterminator to assume the position of Exterminatee.

Potok made it clear that they read these forums on the "Dayside" segment the other day. Keep that in mind and consider whether you really want to needlessly fire off arrows into the backs of the people who have been carrying your water out in the arena of full public view.

-ed

You done good, Mr. Steele. Criticism is a major aspect of this forum, as it is easy to criticize; intelligent people know when to adjust to criticisms, and when to stick to their guns. Kudos though. In the grand scheme of things, the White way is all that matters.

Uppinatta: "The 14 guy don't know squat."

Attorney Edgar Steele responding to "14": You are absolutely correct!

Now do you get it, Uppinatta? I am absolutely correct, as Mr. Steele acknowledges. Believe me, squashing foolish insects like you used to be a pleasure, but after having done it ten thousand times or so it's now become a nuisance.

So in the future I would advise you to stay clear of me, and I won't have any need of squashing you again. Now excuse me while I wipe of the heel of my shoe.

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Irving suggests Hess' suicide decades after the war was actually a murder. So perhaps there is some truth in that apparent error.

AE, our problem here is there's no Hess freaks on this forum. If we had a few, they'd know there's more problems to the Hess story then there are with UFOs.

Just a peek under the carpet: Hess absolutely had Hitler's permission to make the flight and there were people in England waiting for him. These were aristocrats who wanted to end the war with Hitler and focus on Stalin.

Hess started on the flight to Britain more than once. It had to be cancelled once because of bad weather, another time because of radio troubles, and so on. The Luftwaffe would have known about all this and whatever they knew, Hitler knew.

Willi Messerschmitt personally modifed the ME-110 for Hess's flight. The ME-110s had two drop-tanks for fuel which Hess jettisoned over the North Sea during his flight and without them he would not have enough fuel for the return flight. But the estate he landed near had two German-made ME-110 drop tanks hidden away, which were discovered just after Hess crashed. This information was not declassified till the 90s.

When Hess landed and was confronted by the Brits, he told them his name was "Alfred Horn." He'd left a letter with his wife Ilse to tell Hitler "If things go wrong, have Adolf tell everyone I'm insane."

Hitler follow his Deputy Fuhrer's instructions to the letter]Double Standards: The Rudolf Hess Cover-Up by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. They come to a similar conclusion, but it's worth reading just to realize how totally divided Britain was in 1941. There was a real chance Churchill might have been ousted and a deal made with Germany. This part the (British) authors cover very well indeed. They also speculate a bit, but the book is so dense with facts that their speculations are no problem. The conclusion is up to the reader.

Also, whoever it was at Spandau that was going by the name "Rudolf Hess" was murdered in 1987. He was strangled and there were witnesses. The probable reason is that Gorbachov was in full glasnost mode and was going to allow "Hess" to be released. Very powerful people did not want the world to know that the real Hess had never been in Spandau.

The murder was carried out by British commandos which sort of makes it clear who had the most to hide.

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Now do you get it, Uppinatta? I am absolutely correct, as Mr. Steele acknowledges. Believe me, squashing foolish insects like you used to be a pleasure, but after having done it ten thousand times or so it's now become a nuisance.

So in the future I would advise you to stay clear of me, and I won't have any need of squashing you again. Now excuse me while I wipe of the heel of my shoe.

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another flower sprouts to salute the digital muscle of board warriors. we who are about to laugh salute you!

Is this supposed to mean something?

Originally Posted by Ironguard1940
..."Hitler then went on to do a great many other things,
some of them truly bad."
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Okay, Steve B, I did not post this. I may have posted the quote from another VNNer to respond to it, but I certainly did not write this.
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He didn't stop at 6 mil.
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What is so truly bad about not stopping at 6,000,000 jews gassed or cooked? OK, OK, let me stop. I have already covered this ground several times. I do not want to get into this debate again.

Sorry, Ironguard. My fault. I should have separated out the quote.