This isn't much, only 3.28%, but it's 6 more than we would have.

What kind of people are these six posters? Are they the sort of people you want supporting your cause or are they dysfunctional retards like Todd in FL who are only a liability? Another question. I haven't seen anyone here answer it yet. How many people found TAA on the doorstep and were disgusted by it? I would assume these are ever more numerous.

But what I do know is that VNN has grown significantly since TAA started, in both members, and activity. And for that I can only commend Mr. Miller, as I believe that TAA, with its concomitant media attention, had to have something to do with it.

How many of these new members were trolls spamming multiple lewd usernames?

But the major point of your discouragement of tabloid distribution for cost-benefit reasons still remains. I don't know if it has a great or poor return, in itself, in members, or contributions, etc. But what I do know is that VNN has grown significantly since TAA started, in both members, and activity. And for that I can only commend Mr. Miller, as I believe that TAA, with its concomitant media attention, had to have something to do with it.

And as I said on SF repeatedly, I support anyone who carries on such a venture.

Just to make that quite clear I'll post a few quotes

I personally feel that tabloids are somewhat dated these days, but I won't ever fight against someone who wants to put them out, but I do feel that there are other, better mediums available for us these days.

That's why I said earlier, whilst I'll support someone else doing it it wouldn't be my medium of choice.

I agree with much of what you said J_B, and let me just add, regarding the newspaper, that I did not mean any of my comments in a negative manner, you know I supported your efforts, and I think the results have been fantastic, I merely meant that as a main vehicle for outreach that papers are a dated format.

As you can see, in discussions about the SF paper (I never once mentioned the TAA, that's just miller shit stirring) I at all times stated that I didn't think papers were the way forward, but that I have supported them in the past, and that I would continue to support anyone who produces them in the future.

Hardly the attack that is alleged by miller in this thread.

I then went on to discuss the subject further, and in response to a post by Jack_Boot, where he states, concerning papers in general that "It just plain flunks the cost/benefit test", I talked about my experiances with another paper in the past

I remember a long time ago (it was before I moved out west and back again, so we're way beyond a decade ago) when I was working on a paper, and we got a letter one day that was crude, and cruel, but also highly accurate in it's observations.

I wish I could remember exactly what it said, because it was witty in places, but I do recall the general gist of one segment, but before I mention it I should really give a little background, so that you have the context of the statment.

At the time one of the newspapers in the UK had just changed it's print technique, and the paper it was printed on, and in doing so some of it's work force had been laid off, so this was a subject in the news.

This one reader wrote to us, and he thanked us for our work, and told us that every issue he bought several copies, and distributed them, and then he asked if we'd consider changing the paper our publication was printed on, because it was rather rough on his neighbors "cheeks".

What he was saying, and having had the opportunity to read all the letter, as I did back then, I know this is what he meant, that we he was supportive of us, but he was becoming infuriated with what he saw as a waste of time and funds.

The way he viewed it 10% of papers were going to the already converted, so they were a waste of time, a lot of the time, 89% of the papers were going to lemmings, he threw them straight in the trash can, or wrapped their fish in them, or used them in lieu of toilet tissue, and only 1% going to the people who really needed the message.

It was harsh, but probably true. Remember, this was in the UK, where we have political parties, so we have election results that we can look to to see how much difference we really are making in terms of bringing WN to the nation.

I don't know what the printing and distribution costs are these days for a publication, but I'd imagine that a 10,000 would probably cost in the region of $2,500(?) printing, shipping, et al. so even a small run, of a monthly publication, over a period of a year would cost $30,000, and obviously 20k or 50k copies would cost more, bringing you into the hundreds of thousands bracket.

That's a lot of money, money that is leaving the WN community.

If only 1% of those publications reaches a new, and unawakened person, and brings them into the fold, then that's an expensive conversion rate, when you look at the cost of other media available to us.

Of course, I stress these are not accurate figures, just rough estimates based on experiance, but none the less it's an expensive excersise. It might sound good, and positive, and make people feel they are doing a lot, and I salute their endevours, but the bottom line is about results.

As you can quite clearly see I am in no way refering to TAA, and that my estimates are based on experiances from over a decade ago, in a different country, but the cost figures are not important.

I guessed at $2500, for a paper and distributing costs, Glenn came back with the figure of $800, but searching through other threads here I see as usual that miller was being disingenius

This is better than I expected, and is enough to pay printers for 50,000 copies of issue #4, at 8 cents per copy, or $80.00 per thousand

And leaving off the postal costs that I had included in my figures.

He was also talking about a 16 pager, when in fact I was talking about a 32 pager that I used to work on, so if we cut through millers bullshit my figure may well have been innacurate, but was actually not that far of the mark, but to be fair to miller let's use his figure, and pretend that postage is free for a paper, and let's forget that I wasn't talking about TAA and pretend I was talking about a 16 pager, even at $800 for 10,000 copies, if you put out 100,000 copies a month, at 12 months a year, the figure still adds up to $96,000 (and like I said, we're pretending you get a free postal service in that).

That's a hell of a wack of money. That's almost $100,000 and like I said in my post, what is the result for ventures of this nature?

According to the latest poll numbers from the "How Did You Find VNN" thread, out of 183 respondents, 6 claim they learned about it from TAA. This isn't much, only 3.28%, but it's 6 more than we would have.

How many active members are there on VNNF?

According to the front page there are 4,860 members here.

Currently Active Users: 20 members

Are there more than 200/250 people who post here on a truely regular basis?

This is not an insult, but a genuine question.

So what, TAA is bringing in 5? 10? 15 new members?

$100,000 for 15 new members is not a good investment.

Now if you click on my name over at SF, you can see my referal figure:

Referrals: 215

They're just the ones who used my name.

Do you get the point I was making on SF?

Forget TAA, because that wasn't even being discussed, I was saying that when I looked to outreach I felt that newspapers were not the most cost effective means, as they are bad value for money.

The proof is in the figures.

If I sent every person I've reached out to, switched on to WN, and sent to SF, here instead, I'd have sent 10 times more new members to VNN than TAA has, and I don't cost a single cent, let alone $100,000

In fact if I'd sent all my SF recruits here, instead of SF I'd have provided nearly half the membership.

Anyway, I'm not saying this in the way of a pissing contest, or to put down TAA, just to qualify why I personally don't feel papers are the way forward, and why I personally support other forms of media to reach the masses.

It's rather unfortunate that some one decided to try and blow it into a board war by painting a false picture.

Especially when you look at my quotes surrounding VNN in that thread

There is no one, of any standing, who advocates making any such choice compulsory, I am a member here, and a member there, as are many other people.

My choice is to post more often here, and I only usually visit there because of a few friends I have on that board, others might chose to do the opposite, there is no right or wrong.

There are only a few people who try to whip up board wars between the two sites, and they do not represent the views of the majority anywhere.

Considering I did not say one derogatory word against TAA, considering I repeatedly said I support anyone who wants to do their own paper, and considering I spoke out against board wars it's a shame I got singled out for a rather weak piece of propoganda.

I know miller is a long term hater of mine, but I'd much rather he stuck to the truth, than attacked good, honest and hard working WN.

You know maybe if you didn't have loud mouth bullshiters, trying to start wars with other people, then you might actually get some of the WN recruits that end up elsewhere, and you might get them without having to part with $100,000

Still, I hope the record has been put straight now, and that people can see for themselves what the real truth of the matter is, and how it bears no resemblance to what miller said.

No attack was ever made on TAA, and so there was never any need for this thread, if he wants to whip up support for the paper then he can do it without lies and attempts to create board wars.

Personally I think we all know the truth now, so I will go back to my work, and if Glenn wants to carry on without me, huffing and puffing, and pouring out more lies then he's more than welcome to, I will not be staying to engage.

I gave him the opportunity to act like a man over this affair, but he was either unwilling, or unable too, so I'll leave him to get on with it.

It also means he can carry on with the cartoon tough guy act and pretend he ran me off here

He can have the last word, if he wants, I'm content with having had the pleasure of speaking the truth.

I wish TAA well in the future, it's just a shame it's associated with such an idiot.

This is not an insult, but a genuine question. So what, TAA is bringing in 5? 10? 15 new members?

Wouldn't it be far easier to encourage members to get their personal friends to register?

$100,000 for 15 new members is not a good investment.

They have raised $100,000 for this project?

According to the latest poll numbers from the "How Did You Find VNN" thread, out of 183 respondents, 6 claim they learned about it from TAA. This isn't much, only 3.28%, but it's 6 more than we would have. However, this poll was only started on 6-27-2005, so we need more TAA distros to get a better long range assessment. The number of copies distributed also increases with successive issue, so mathematically, we can expect that 3.28% to rise.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=20044

Good points, A.A. It's a rare lemming who'll post on a WN forum after reading only one WN newspaper, especially a forum as radically jew-wise as VNNF. Many hundreds who received a TAA come here though, out of curiosity alone. And as we all know, lots of veteran WNs come here who are attracted to our activisms, including TAA distributions.

But the primary value of TAA lies in it's unique approach to convincing the lemmings of the jewish menace. One need only view one TAA to appreciate it's unique difference from all others ever published. We can rely on Alex to come up with even better, more convincing content in each future edition.

The jewsmedia sure as hell recognizes TAA's effectiveness and potential. That's proven already. And mark my words, media speaking opportunities such as those 3-radio talk show invites, will increase along with TAA distributions. And Alex, Chain, Agis, Ron Doggett and myself will take full advantage of them.

It's downright disappointing though to witness the badmouthing of TAA by our so-called WN comrades. But rather than discourage us, they only spur us to sacrifice more and work harder to make TAA even more successful.

Good points, A.A. It's a rare lemming who'll post on a WN forum after reading only one WN newspaper, especially a forum as radically jew-wise as VNNF.

Who are really the lemmings here? Are the lemmings the decent Americans whose neighborhoods you littered with your crude hateful tabloid or the idiots stupid enough to financially support your project in light of the pathetic return on their investment?

Many hundreds who received a TAA come here though, out of curiosity alone.

I'm sure they were impressed by your membership and the quality of the discourse that goes on here considering how many of these guests took the time to register and participate.

And as we all know, lots of veteran WNs come here who are attracted to our activisms, including TAA distributions.

How much will it cost me to purchase a copy of the email addresses of your membership? I have some high quality junk bonds and some fool's gold I want to sell.

But the primary value of TAA lies in it's unique approach to convincing the lemmings of the jewish menace.

It would be more accurate to say that the primary value of TAA lies in its unique ability to convince decent white Americans that everything the Jews are saying about WN's is true.

One need only view one TAA to appreciate it's unique difference from all others ever published. We can rely on Alex to come up with even better, more convincing content in each future edition.

How do you know that the people who received copies of TAA found it convincing?

The jewsmedia sure as hell recognizes TAA's effectiveness and potential. That's proven already.

The media has recognized TAA has great potential to further anti-WN propaganda amongst the masses. That is why you were put on television.

And mark my words, media speaking opportunities such as those 3-radio talk show invites, will increase along with TAA distributions. And Alex, Chain, Agis, Ron Doggett and myself will take full advantage of them.

I know this is difficult for you, but think clearly about this for a moment. What interest does the media have in putting you on television or on the radio aside from discrediting WN?

It's downright disappointing though to witness the badmouthing of TAA by our so-called WN comrades. But rather than discourage us, they only spur us to sacrifice more and work harder to make TAA even more successful.

Right. Sacrifices have to be made. I have noticed this is how you operate. You appeal to the emotions of your audience, not to their intelligence. An intelligent investor would ask himself: why should I support TAA when I can earn a greater return on my investment by supporting other projects? Why should I support a project that does more harm than good to WN? What is Glenn Miller doing to make TAA more convincing to the audience he is targeting?

What kind of people are these six posters? Are they the sort of people you want supporting your cause or are they dysfunctional retards like Todd in FL who are only a liability? Another question. I haven't seen anyone here answer it yet. How many people found TAA on the doorstep and were disgusted by it? I would assume these are ever more numerous.

The actual number of people who found VNN via TAA is probably much greater than six. Not everyone responds to polls.

And the mainstream media attention to TAA will, no doubt, increase.

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Who are really the lemmings here? Are the lemmings the decent Americans whose neighborhoods you littered with your crude hateful tabloid or the idiots stupid enough to financially support your project in light of the pathetic return on their investment?

Shouldn't this post be in the Opposition Forum, Stauffenberg?

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What kind of people are these six posters? Are they the sort of people you want supporting your cause or are they dysfunctional retards like Todd in FL who are only a liability? Another question. I haven't seen anyone here answer it yet. How many people found TAA on the doorstep and were disgusted by it? I would assume these are ever more numerous.

Perhaps you might find the answer to your first question in the following link:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=20044

If those six posters took the time to respond to the poll, they may have taken the time to post a comment in that thread.

Regarding Todd, perhaps you could explain to us what's so "dysfunctional" about man who gave up hours of his own time, unpaid, to roll and distribute 1,200 TAAs in one day. :box: And this merely scratches the surface of his activism. It makes his past irrelevant. People like Todd and Rounder are warriors, not worriers.

The jewsmedia publishes many reports of those who were disgusted. However, did it occur to you that those who agreed with it may not have wanted to appear on T.V. because they fear sanctions of some sort, like a brick through the window, or their kids getting bullied in school, or perhaps getting fired from their job over some "pretext"?

Even if more people find it disgusting, is that sufficient reason to stop doing it? Mormon missionaries may only get one convert per 100 people contacted, but it doesn't stop them either. We've become race-wise and Jew-wise, but we believe we can't just sit on it, but also have an obligation to awaken others. Francis Playfair is to be commended for having helped awaken 215 people, but can he be sure they're the type of people he would want in Stormfront either? Of course not. Let's judge both VNN and Stormfront by the same standards. Our way is just as valid as Playfair's way.

What kind of people are these six posters? Are they the sort of people you want supporting your cause or are they dysfunctional retards like Todd in FL who are only a liability? Another question. I haven't seen anyone here answer it yet. How many people found TAA on the doorstep and were disgusted by it? I would assume these are ever more numerous.

Ad Hominem attacks against actual real-world activist won't win you much support here. We here at nasty 'ol VNNF place a premium on the opinions of those who do instead of just type.

Well, if the TAA that lands on Sally Soccermom's doorstep during "Oprah" pisses her off, then she's not really much fucking use to us anyway right now is she?

As for the 6 who have posted, I'm sure that there are many more who recieved a tabloid and are just too cowed to register and post (or just never bothered to vote in that thread. I know I have not, and I have been here over a year) Hopefully, they will find a wee bit of that courage our people were once so known for and register to speak their minds, and we strongly encourage them to do so.

Also, that poll listed an option for those who had found VNN through the system media. You know, like one of the dozens of newspaper, television segments or radio interviews that were a DIRECT result of TAA distributions.

No literature of a WN nature, no matter how toned down and warm & fuzzy is going to break the hold of nearly 75 years of the most pervasive egalitarian propaganda the planet has ever known in one fell swoop. White people in America are still far too fat & lazy to be bothered with such unpleasant things.

At the first mention of race these type of people disconnect. They never think of themselves as "White".

They never consider the welfare of our collective race. Ever.

They never question the party line that is driving us towards our very extinction as a people.

They exist only to consume, generate taxes and curry favor with those who have their fucking boot on our necks...And many of them would gladly send you or me to a government sponsored "re-education" camp for the sole reason of what we believe faster than you can say "MTV".

So Sally Soccermom NEEDS to think about the reality of RACE here in the 'Kwa, if only for a few seconds, because believe me the average White person here in North America does everything possible to AVOID the topic of race.

And as I said on SF repeatedly, I support anyone who carries on such a venture.

Just to make that quite clear I'll post a few quotes

As you can see, in discussions about the SF paper (I never once mentioned the TAA, that's just miller shit stirring) I at all times stated that I didn't think papers were the way forward, but that I have supported them in the past, and that I would continue to support anyone who produces them in the future.

Hardly the attack that is alleged by miller in this thread.

I then went on to discuss the subject further, and in response to a post by Jack_Boot, where he states, concerning papers in general that "It just plain flunks the cost/benefit test", I talked about my experiances with another paper in the past

As you can quite clearly see I am in no way refering to TAA, and that my estimates are based on experiances from over a decade ago, in a different country, but the cost figures are not important.

I guessed at $2500, for a paper and distributing costs, Glenn came back with the figure of $800, but searching through other threads here I see as usual that miller was being disingenius

And leaving off the postal costs that I had included in my figures.

He was also talking about a 16 pager, when in fact I was talking about a 32 pager that I used to work on, so if we cut through millers bullshit my figure may well have been innacurate, but was actually not that far of the mark, but to be fair to miller let's use his figure, and pretend that postage is free for a paper, and let's forget that I wasn't talking about TAA and pretend I was talking about a 16 pager, even at $800 for 10,000 copies, if you put out 100,000 copies a month, at 12 months a year, the figure still adds up to $96,000 (and like I said, we're pretending you get a free postal service in that).

That's a hell of a wack of money. That's almost $100,000 and like I said in my post, what is the result for ventures of this nature?

How many active members are there on VNNF?

According to the front page there are 4,860 members here.

Currently Active Users: 20 members

Are there more than 200/250 people who post here on a truely regular basis?

This is not an insult, but a genuine question.

So what, TAA is bringing in 5? 10? 15 new members?

$100,000 for 15 new members is not a good investment.

Now if you click on my name over at SF, you can see my referal figure:

Referrals: 215

They're just the ones who used my name.

Do you get the point I was making on SF?

Forget TAA, because that wasn't even being discussed, I was saying that when I looked to outreach I felt that newspapers were not the most cost effective means, as they are bad value for money.

The proof is in the figures.

If I sent every person I've reached out to, switched on to WN, and sent to SF, here instead, I'd have sent 10 times more new members to VNN than TAA has, and I don't cost a single cent, let alone $100,000

In fact if I'd sent all my SF recruits here, instead of SF I'd have provided nearly half the membership.

Anyway, I'm not saying this in the way of a pissing contest, or to put down TAA, just to qualify why I personally don't feel papers are the way forward, and why I personally support other forms of media to reach the masses.

It's rather unfortunate that some one decided to try and blow it into a board war by painting a false picture.

Especially when you look at my quotes surrounding VNN in that thread

Considering I did not say one derogatory word against TAA, considering I repeatedly said I support anyone who wants to do their own paper, and considering I spoke out against board wars it's a shame I got singled out for a rather weak piece of propoganda.

I know miller is a long term hater of mine, but I'd much rather he stuck to the truth, than attacked good, honest and hard working WN.

You know maybe if you didn't have loud mouth bullshiters, trying to start wars with other people, then you might actually get some of the WN recruits that end up elsewhere, and you might get them without having to part with $100,000

Still, I hope the record has been put straight now, and that people can see for themselves what the real truth of the matter is, and how it bears no resemblance to what miller said.

No attack was ever made on TAA, and so there was never any need for this thread, if he wants to whip up support for the paper then he can do it without lies and attempts to create board wars.

Personally I think we all know the truth now, so I will go back to my work, and if Glenn wants to carry on without me, huffing and puffing, and pouring out more lies then he's more than welcome to, I will not be staying to engage.

I gave him the opportunity to act like a man over this affair, but he was either unwilling, or unable too, so I'll leave him to get on with it.

It also means he can carry on with the cartoon tough guy act and pretend he ran me off here ]

Has anyone ever read a more contradictory posting, or one more boring ?? I'd rather have all my few remaining teeth pulled without novocaine, than read it again.

In 4 of his sentences, he states he supports WN newspapers, ie., "I support anyone who carries on such a venture (as TAA)", etc. If he's telling the truth, they why hasn't he sent me some freakin money or promoted TAA on Stormfront ?? (Watch his spin his way out of that one too).

Then he goes on to list every reason in The-Book-of-Defeatism why WN newspapers are a waste of time and money. Which is precisely what he did on Stormfront yesterday, when he quoted the criticisms: "trash can", "fish wrappers", and a good use for "toilet paper", describing what WN newspapers are good for.

If I was that much of a chutzpah, contradictory, spin doctor I'd convert to Judiasm and wear a yamulka 24/7.

So which is it Fair Fairy, do you support TAA or not? If you support it, as you said (or clearly implied) 4 times in your above posting alone, then send me some money and promote it on Stormfront. If not, then say so, and without your vague, ambiguous, goobily gop jibberish.

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Shouldn't this post be in the Opposition Forum, Stauffenberg?

Anyone familiar with the infamous deed of the original Stauffenberg realizes also that this new pretender belongs in Opposition.

Has anyone ever read a more contradictory posting, or one more boring ?? I'd rather have all my few remaining teeth pulled without novocaine, than read it again.

Right!

This Francis PlaytimeFairy would have better spent his time fucking himself.

Nobody at VNN has spent $100,000 distributing TAAs, as he seemsto imply.

No matter the case here, it is apparent that VNN which has a much lower membership then t3h GREAT WHITE SF!1, has indeed a tabloid and activism projects which overshadow SFs. I agree Rounder is kind of an asshole, but in this day of America 2006 and your white, how can you not? SF needs their own Rounder to stir all the do-nothings, instead of financial supporters who only support the site just so they can get rep points, referral points, keep patting yourself on the back.

Ad Hominem attacks against actual real-world activist won't win you much support here.

I'm not here to win over hearts and minds, as I don't think anyone stupid enough to support TAA can be persuaded by appeals to reason.

We here at nasty 'ol VNNF place a premium on the opinions of those who do instead of just type.

Yes. I have heard your schtick a million times before. Those that contribute to TAA project are doing something. Those who don't are obviously doing nothing. It is the same old emotional appeal every time. Don't ask rational questions like whether or not TAA is convincing anyone to support White Nationalism.

Well, if the TAA that lands on Sally Soccermom's doorstep during "Oprah" pisses her off, then she's not really much fucking use to us anyway right now is she?

If the audience you are targeting isn't of much fucking use to you, then why are you wasting your time and money trying to persuade them to support White Nationalism? That makes no sense. And if you are not convincing anyone, as you seem to be admitting here, then why distribute crude propaganda that only leaves a bad impression of White Nationalism in the minds of thousands of citizens?

As for the 6 who have posted, I'm sure that there are many more who recieved a tabloid and are just too cowed to register and post (or just never bothered to vote in that thread.

Let me get this straight. You guys have raised and spent thousands of dollars distributing tens of thousands of TAAs to get six people to make a few posts on an internet forum? Are you retarded?

I know I have not, and I have been here over a year)

I don't recognize anyone here posting on VNN Forum that found their way here through TAA. Much has been made in previous posts in this thread about how many new members have registered accounts on VNN Forum since TAA began circulating.

Hopefully, they will find a wee bit of that courage our people were once so known for and register to speak their minds, and we strongly encourage them to do so.

How much courage does it take to make anonymous posts on an online messageboard? Isn't that what Glenn Miller is always beating his chest trying to point out? Here is an idea for you. Maybe these people browsed VNN Forum, were disgusted by what the perverse characters who post on this forum, and left with a bad taste in their mouth.

Also, that poll listed an option for those who had found VNN through the system media. You know, like one of the dozens of newspaper, television segments or radio interviews that were a DIRECT result of TAA distributions.

What kind of people were they? Are they assets or liabilities to the WN movement? You don't always catch fish when you go fishing.

No literature of a WN nature, no matter how toned down and warm & fuzzy is going to break the hold of nearly 75 years of the most pervasive egalitarian propaganda the planet has ever known in one fell swoop.

I don't recall ever suggesting otherwise. But tell me this: how is your crude tabloid supposed to sway dyed in the wool anti-racists to the cause of White Nationalism when you can't even get most bonafide White Nationalists to behind it? If you can't convince people who are already sympathetic to your ideals to support you, then how can you possibly hope to sway those who are not?

White people in America are still far too fat & lazy to be bothered with such unpleasant things.

Perhaps. There is still a substantial percentage of the white American population that is already predisposed to White Nationalism though. Millions of white Americans still disapprove of interracial marriage. The rational activist would thus ask himself what can be done to persuade these people to become White Nationalists.

At the first mention of race these type of people disconnect. They never think of themselves as "White".

If they don't care much about their race, then why should they care if you name the Jew? Suppose you name the Jew. Then what? What if you name the Jew and no one cares?

They never consider the welfare of our collective race. Ever.

This is true. That is why it makes no sense to make racial appeals to people who have no sense of racial identity. You have to first persuade them that the ideals they already hold are mistaken. Shouldn't this be your object?

They never question the party line that is driving us towards our very extinction as a people.

And they have reasons they would shoot back at you to justify their lack of social concern, namely, the proposition that we are all human beings and we should judge everyone as an individual, not as a member of any race or ethnic group.

They exist only to consume, generate taxes and curry favor with those who have their fucking boot on our necks...

What are you going to do about that?

And many of them would gladly send you or me to a government sponsored "re-education" camp for the sole reason of what we believe faster than you can say "MTV".

I agree. How are we going to convince these people that they are wrong and that they should support us?

So Sally Soccermom NEEDS to think about the reality of RACE here in the 'Kwa, if only for a few seconds, because believe me the average White person here in North America does everything possible to AVOID the topic of race.

This is true. The question thus becomes how are you going to get Sally Soccermom to thoughtfully evaluate the facts you hope to present to her without tossing TAA in the trash in a knee jerk reaction.