Generally, anybody who is going to put a great amount of time into promoting the survival of the White Race, where such activities involve actual work and/or risk, is going to need to be compensated, unless he is independently wealthy or receiving regular checks from the government. Very very few people will put a lot of time into such activities without any pecuniary compensation, and Dr. Pierce found that competent people willing to work for their ideals on a substandard salary were also nearly nonexistent. Compensation has the nice effect of reducing or eliminating the conflict between self-interest and idealism. I think that a big infusion of money into the White racial cause would make an enormous difference if it were used wisely.

So the bottom line is if someone can do a job better than you why should they not be compensated? If you can do a better job why are you not doing it?

Sure.

But the problems begin when people are not accountable as to the quality of the work they do.

Or, when adequate care has not been taken in the selection of candidates for (important) roles in a political organisation.

Or, when a person puts on airs of being a selfless activist type, fighting the good fight for a cause they believe in... and still insists on getting paid just the same as if they were doing an ordinary job for a ordinary, for-profit company. They're not activists, they're hypocrites and mercenaries.

Sure.

But the problems begin when people are not accountable as to the quality of the work they do.

Or, when adequate care has not been taken in the selection of candidates for (important) roles in a political organisation.

Or, when a person puts on airs of being a selfless activist type, fighting the good fight for a cause they believe in... and still insists on getting paid just the same as if they were doing an ordinary job for a ordinary, for-profit company. They're not activists, they're hypocrites and mercenaries.

The name Hal Turner comes to mind.

I believe Adolph Hitler was originally paid to infiltrate the NS chapter in Berlin and soon determined that he could make more money by advancing NS as a political party.

Certainly, with enough cash, White nationalism could become a very popular idea in a very short time.

Jewish Liberal whores are paid everyday world wide, to "preform" their filthy task,with absolutely no concern for the real ideals of the Jews.

Pass the collection plate.

Yes, White Activists should be financially supported for their efforts. It would be reasonable for those starting out to not be compensated, to prove their convictions and worthiness, since the pot is limited. But established writers, even if they're working anonymously, should have the support of their people. It would help them focus on their work and bring out better product, for instance.

Fine and dandy, but where do we get the money?

What needs to happen is someone like the Mighty Flynn to set up a trust, foundation, whatever, that we can all donate to that can then be used to compensate labor and buy shiny new things. It has to be set up though so that we don't get Duked, if you know what I mean.

I'm willing to contribute $100.00 a month if something like that is set up.

Of course, especially if its full time. Who in all of history is providing a more valeueable service? This is war,and officers and enlisted men are compensated for their efforts.
This is especially true because once someone becomes a well known WN its difficult and often impossible for him or her tomake a living in mainstream society because of employment terrorism.
Id quit my job in a New York minute if I could make a living fighting fior my race. Its really my true calling and always has been. I see normal work as just a necessary but very annoying distraction.
I almost wish I was not that single minded because it becomes a real bitch to concentrate on making a normal living.

The concept of paying a white nationalist to do good for the race is like paying a Christian to be a good Christian. Or is it like paying a Christian to preach Christianity? Wait! We do actually do that.

Okay, better put… it’s not a matter of whether or not some “should” get paid; it’s about what they do to earn money.

There was this debate between my two uncles about NASCAR drivers getting paid X amount and football players getting paid X amount. The argument was who ever has the hardest or most dangerous job should get the most amount of pay. But as my other uncle said “People get paid not what they deserve, but by how much others are willing to pay them.”

It’s rather tough to answer your question. Not because I am undecided, but because I don’t fully understand what you’re getting at.

Should a white nationalist get paid to serve the cause? Well the words “should” “can” “will” all seem to come to mind.

First off, what is a service to being a white nationalist? I mean what is it that any said person is doing to theoretically earn a paycheck?

Second, who will be the one paying that person? And how much should that person pay?

Should?-Can?-Will?

Should they get paid?
Can we devise a way to ensure any given person in the movement gets paid?
Will any said person make money by offering a service to white nationalism?

If you want to get paid, you need to offer something specific; not general.
If you are selling me white power CD’s, I will pay money for that.
If you are selling me a very informative book, I will pay for that.
If you are asking me for money because you ramble on white power web forums and call that “Doing a service for white nationalism” then I’d have to decline.

What always got me was the fact that people paid dues to be a member of the national alliance. Same with other groups. I stand there and say “why should I pay money to work for you? Shouldn’t you be paying me?”

Perhaps I have completely misunderstood your point, and if so please forgive me it’s about time for bed and I am getting groggy.

Perhaps you mean to ask “Is it morally acceptable for a person within the movement to make a profit on what they do?”

If this is your question, than I would say “yes”. It is perfectly moral and acceptable to offer a specific product or service to the white nationalist community and draw a profit for yourself.

The only problem with this is how much money are you charging, and what is the quality of your product and or service?

If you are charging a lot of money and giving a rather empty product, you will be seen as a money grubbing fraud and you lose reputation points with the target audience. If however your charging a reasonable price for a really good product, then people will see you as a good Samaritan of the cause.

Take David Duke for example. People often bitch that he’s just in this to sell his book and make money. It is true he plugs his book a lot, but it is one of the best written books on our struggle. If you wrote one of the greatest white nationalist books of all time you’d be plugging it left and right too. Jewish Supremacism is a damn good book, well worth the money. It is a legitimate product.

Some of Dukes opponents within the movement have said that he doesn’t really believe in what he says, it’s all about the money. Even if this were true, he is still opening peoples eyes to the reality of multiculturalism and recruiting people all the time, more so than any other one person in the movement. So to me it doesn’t really matter if he believes what he says or if he is an informant blah blah blah. The point is Duke gets results, period! (and for the record, I don’t think a man that just got out of ZOG prison is an informant; so that rumor can stop)

So should a person within the movement make a profit? Of course.
If you have a means of making a profit and do so honestly there is nothing immoral or unethical about it.

The National Alliance even during its magnificent days with Dr. Pierce at the helm, made a profit.

Making a profit is very important especially if it is a group profit as opposed to an individual profit.

ZOG has trillions of dollars: we have the truth. But we still need money to spread that truth through leaflet distributions, rallies, internet sights (which are probably way more expensive than most of you think), radio time, lawyers, and an organizational infrastructure.

So yeah, money’s important.

You know, this reminds me of the case with John Burdi the former front man for the white power band Rahowa. He was an amazingly talented, charismatic, and good looking young man. He was very dedicated to our cause. He founded Resistance Records and opened up new doors for white revolution. Then he went to jail, came out a changed man, walked away from the cause, and married an Indian Woman, and now speaks out against racism.

I read an interview with him one time after his metamorphosis. He made a lot of comments about why and so forth. But out of all his reasoning, one thing stood out in my mind; something I’ll never forget. He mentioned that when he was on trial by ZOG (clearly becoming a political martyr) no one sent him any money to help with his legal fees. He mentioned that a few people sent a few hundred dollars, but he hadn’t accumulated hardly anything.

He said that if he had just released a new album, he could easily have brought in $20,000. But now that he didn’t have a product to sell, people didn’t seem to care.

All of his loyal fans were only loyal so long as he was singing and dancing and giving them an excuse to party. But when he needed help to fight ZOG, to fight for his freedom, they simply turned their backs on him.

He mentioned that was really the turning point. The whole concept of “white brotherhood” was a daydream.

I’ve never gotten over that statement. That part of the interview where he talks about all of his white brothers letting him down because they were just too greedy to give a damn. It’s the one thing that given me any doubt to the validity of our cause.

But to get back on track. Money, should we make it? Yes we should. If we have something legitimate to sell than there is no harm in making a profit, especially a group profit.

So tell me, anyone have any products in mind?

This is the type of response I was seeking. Thank you.

The concept of paying a white nationalist to do good for the race is like paying a Christian to be a good Christian. Or is it like paying a Christian to preach Christianity? Wait! We do actually do that.

I know you probably don’t believe in Christianity but let me give you an example. A full time minister that does his job usually works a minimum of 10 hours a day (a lot of that is on the road). They are on call 24 hours a day 7 days a week for visitation, funerals ect. Most of the time they are out up to $100 a week on fuel. Where I preach our former minister makes the trip once a month (120 miles each way) to preach. He has never received funds nor has he ever asked. I don’t get paid either. Before I came there he preached for 5 years making 3 eighty mile round trips each week. He has never been compensated anything. A few miles away the congregation built a $250,000 home in their parking lot for their minister who does the same job I do for free. I have money and have never asked for any, but there are those that are in it purely for the money. Also I have gotten more converts in the past month (6) than he has since he has been preaching.

However when ministers or white racial leaders drive several hundred miles, stay in motels, and eat to give a speech or perform a service. They deserve to be well compensated given that they probably spent hours preparing their lesson. If they are sincere I don’t have a problem in over compensating them to help them with future endeavors. Even if they already have gainful employment.

But as my other uncle said “People get paid not what they deserve, but by how much others are willing to pay them.”

Second, who will be the one paying that person? And how much should that person pay?

Here is a good statement. Because people are working for a cause do they deserve to live on starvation wages no matter how hard they work. If someone can produce vast results they deserve to be compensated, however sitting in a basement writing a letter a week is nothing more than many VNNF’ers could do for free. We have some good writers here on VNNF that never charge a cent for their articles. But someone that is out in the streets organizing and recruiting is a different story.

If you want to get paid, you need to offer something specific]
This is very true. But many people that do this are accused of selling nazi junk. If there is a market then why not? Unfortunately many white power dealers sell at an unreal markup, and you can buy the same memorabilia from an anti-racist for ¼ the price.

Perhaps you mean to ask “Is it morally acceptable for a person within the movement to make a profit on what they do?”

Yes, that was the question.

Take David Duke for example. Jewish Supremacism is a good book, well worth the money. It is a legitimate product.

The point is Duke gets results, period!

Yes, personally I don’t care what he does with the money being that I got full dollar value for the book. When I purchase something and get full dollar value for the product (unless they are specifically determined to harm the white race), I don’t care if someone spends the money on a nice car, home or whatever. About Duke making bad investments, I am sure all of have invested money in products or ideas that have failed. I have lost several thousand dollars in investments and bad purchases but that doesn’t make me a bad person or a hypocrite just someone that made a mistake.

When you buy a product expecting a certain performance and get jipped that is the way it is. The same in investments.

But we still need money to spread that truth through leaflet distributions, rallies, internet sights (which are probably way more expensive than most of you think), radio time, lawyers, and an organizational infrastructure.

Very true as none of these things are free and for Aryans usually at inflated costs. The enemy has several resources available, we have to make our own way the best we can.

You know, this reminds me of the case with John Burdi the former front man for the white power band Rahowa.
He said that if he had just released a new album, he could easily have brought in $20,000. But now that he didn’t have a product to sell, people didn’t seem to care.

All of his loyal fans were only loyal so long as he was singing and dancing and giving them an excuse to party. But when he needed help to fight ZOG, to fight for his freedom, they simply turned their backs on him.

I was thinking of this very same thing. I even made a thread here on VNNF about the statement you quoted. It was titled something about Muslims and George Burdi. He made good music but when it came time for people to help him he got nothing. One of the problems is everyone wants recognition, however many life changing works often go unrecognized. Sure we can’t personally thank everyone that sends a donation or puts out a flyer but that is not the point. We do things for the greater good.

On a final note, people pay dues to the NRA to perform a service. This service is to protect a right that should never come into question. They have a full staff and many paid employees to perform services. However they offer something with membership such as firearm/hunting insurance and a magazine. They are organized and do offer some return for your investment. This is something WP organizations should do. Offer a service in return, it may not be much or a dollar value but at least it is an act of good faith.

A lot of the complaints I read from dues paying NA members was that a handbook or magazine wasn’t on time. If those in charge could have kept those two small things up, I don’t think there would have been near the complaints. The thing is they had the equipment and the ability to do so very easily.

You know, this reminds me of the case with John Burdi the former front man for the white power band Rahowa. He was an amazingly talented, charismatic, and good looking young man. He was very dedicated to our cause. He founded Resistance Records and opened up new doors for white revolution. Then he went to jail, came out a changed man, walked away from the cause, and married an Indian Woman, and now speaks out against racism.

I read an interview with him one time after his metamorphosis. He made a lot of comments about why and so forth. But out of all his reasoning, one thing stood out in my mind]
George Burdi is not a good example. There were signs of bad character in him before he flipped. I suspect that the Heritage Front was just a big lark to him and when it ceased to be fun that's when he turned. Apparently he thought he could make the $20,000 of his dreams by forming a band with niggers in it.

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Some of the political prisoners, such as David Lane, Bruce Pierce and other members of the Order should receive financial help. However, I do not think that any patriot would want "pay", even though, if you promote this cause full time, then you do have to live and support your family. Others, such as Thom Robb, Tom Metzger and several others who work full time do deserve to be rewarded financially. But, then there are people who make a living off of the movement and spend the money on whores, beer and other non essentials. These people should be ignored.

Just to satisfy my curiosity, tell me how much money you've sent your White racist leader Alex Linder during the 2 years or so, you've been posting on his website ???

Of all the posters on this thread, not one has ever contributed one cent to VNN's newspaper project.

How come ??

(Now watch um all lose interest in this thread, and run off to a more entertaining one to better satisfy their entertainment hobby. Tits on a boar hog have more value than the whole lot of um).