Who is he talking about there? VNN?!? If so, he's full of shit, as I've never seen anyone make such statements, at least not in the way he states, envisioning some "evil Nazi", Hollywood-style, rubbing his hands together in anticipation of being able to shove more jews into the oven. Though I have stated that if we can take USZOG intact, that the NSA's Echelon may prove useful in rooting out any crypto-Jews or Jew-friendly resistance that may yet exist. He not only distances himself from National Socialists, he insults us too, perpetuating the Jew-produced imagery of "evil Nazis." I suspect that's why that kike Donny Douchebag or whatever the hell his name is, let him on his show to begin with. He reminds me of that General in Northern California in the Turner Diaries who simply seeks to restore the Constitution, and has no patience for the Organization's "Nazi agitators."

I too have never heard anyone in movement circles praise Bush's tactics in this way. The movement is unanimously opposed to the provisions of the NSA, Patriot act, etc.

That's a pretty hostile definition. Apparently, you have a contrary view. I doubt if there are many "neo-nazis" who would acribe to all or any of your enumerated descriptions wholesale.

You beat me to it, Devere. While I would subscribe to numbers 2 and 3 on that list, I don't think anyone believes 1 and 4.

Steele is somewhat of an enigma sometimes on an ideological level. I totally support playing devil's advocate whenever it is appropriate, as I also support tailoring a message to the audience you are aiming at. However, I do believe one must clearly ennunciate their own beliefs first and make it clear what one is doing when one is playing the devil's advocate. Alinsky wrote about how important it is to stay "within someone's experience" when trying to convince them of something]

I have to say that I agree with most of your post here. I too have on previous occasions noticed him really shitting on socialism. The guy is an Adam Smith Capitalist and he's made statements in which it appeared he assumed everyone else here was too. I think he really is more in tune with Alex Jones and infowars.com than Alex Linder or VNN.

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Based on the description you gave, we should refer to such people with terms like "baggage".

Or "Hollywood Nazi." Though I think our friend/(foe?) Amalekite would apply the term more broadly than you or I. For instance, I believe he would consider his 4 listed characteristics to be disjunctive, rather than conjunctive. A candidate for the Opp Zoo, I think.

Or "Hollywood Nazi." Though I think our friend/(foe?) Amalekite would apply the term more broadly than you or I. For instance, I believe he would consider his 4 listed characteristics to be disjunctive, rather than conjunctive. A candidate for the Opp Zoo, I think.

Well since he agreed with a better term such as that, I don't think he is being hostile. He's been on here for quite some time and I don't remember him ever voicing ideological contradictions against racialism.

There are some other minor jabs at "Nazis" and then, he advocates democracy

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Finally, Bush also stated last night that "the United States of America supports democratic reform across the broader Middle East." Unlike so many, I actually think that is terrific news. If we can make democracy work elsewhere, then there is a chance, however slim, that someday we might actually give it a try here in America!

John, you would think that a guy as smart as Steele would know that America was never set up as a democracy. America was created as a "free republic" with a representative style government...NOT as a—rule by the majority, disregard for individual rights, democracy. Sheesh!

Well, so am I, but I still say:

DEATH TO THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you John, but don't discount the programming of the lemming, and in Steele's book. He does hate the jews, and he makes it very clear.

I blame the damn jews for everything bad, and rightly do. I think he was doing it, to not turn off the progrmmed lemming. He was being strategic about it.

I have had arguements with lemmings. The minute Hitler is mentioned, they shut down. I have had it happen.

Why do you think White Pride is considered such a bad thing? The fuckin jews have tied it in so closely with Hitler, with their media blitz, it's ridiculous.

Ridiculous, but true. You can't just unload a whole bunch of info on these lemmings. Ya have to spoon feed em, a bite at a time.

Think about your self. did you become a White Racist overnight? I didn't either. I don't think most of us did.

We always knew something was wrong, but it wasn't till we got ourselves educated that we realized, who the real culprits are.

Patience Grasshopper, it will come. We just need to stay focused. Distribute the flyers, and do our best to represent our people. It will come. I know it seems hopeless, sometimes, but stay the course, be relentless, and our message will get out.

Lemmings weren't programmed overnight, they certainly are not going to be deprogrammed, overnight either.

Do your best in your day to day life, and contribute what you can, when you can. I'm sure most of us do exactly that. It's just that the programming of these people has gone so far,the task seems insurmountable. I for one don't think so, If i did I would just give up, but, I'm sure as hell, not gonna do that.

Look at it as a challenge, our people, and race depend on it. i for one, am not gonna piss on anyone. I know is on my side. He has his reasons, let's not get on the bandwagon, and beat him up for it.

You beat me to it, Devere. While I would subscribe to numbers 2 and 3 on that list, I don't think anyone believes 1 and 4.

Whoops. I mean "subscribe" (not "ascribe"). Thanks for the gentle correction.

To be realistic, it is pretty stupid to blame Jews for everything bad. Maybe it wouldn't seem so if our country were occupied by Jewish tanks and soldiers like the Palestinians, but it isn't. Jews have gained the influence they have because OUR SOCIETY LET THEM. We need to start looking at what weaknesses we have in our society and throughout history to see why we can't seem to shake these people off our neck. This is not an easy process, nor is it pleasant for the nostalgic or dogmatic types. But it has to be done. It must be done because there is no other choice.

To be realistic, it is pretty stupid to blame Jews for everything bad. Maybe it wouldn't seem so if our country were occupied by Jewish tanks and soldiers like the Palestinians, but it isn't. Jews have gained the influence they have because OUR SOCIETY LET THEM.

And we enjoy what they've made. Oh yes we do. They are the "entertainment industry", which more and more has the news outlets congealed into it.. We need to blink, maybe...

We need to start looking at what weaknesses we have in our society and throughout history to see why we can't seem to shake these people off our neck. This is not an easy process, nor is it pleasant for the nostalgic or dogmatic types. But it has to be done. It must be done because there is no other choice.

We need to stop consuming the poison, which is a negative and not as sexy as RAHOWA.

To be realistic, it is pretty stupid to blame Jews for everything bad. Maybe it wouldn't seem so if our country were occupied by Jewish tanks and soldiers like the Palestinians, but it isn't. Jews have gained the influence they have because OUR SOCIETY LET THEM. We need to start looking at what weaknesses we have in our society and throughout history to see why we can't seem to shake these people off our neck. This is not an easy process, nor is it pleasant for the nostalgic or dogmatic types. But it has to be done. It must be done because there is no other choice.

The jews have controlled/ruled the White World for hundreds of years, secretly, invisibly. The buck stops with the ones making the decisions. The jews are to blame for the world we live in.

Obviously, Whites are also to blame. Whites, though superior in general, are not perfect, have imperfections (greed, cowardice, need for social approval) and also wonderful, almost unique, strengths (empathy, generosity, conscience, willingness to be led almost anywhere by seeming good leaders, patriotism, warrior courage). Both our imperfections and our strengths have been cunningly used against us by a people who seem to have been genetically programmed and designed specifically to destroy us, an utterly self-concerned, valueless, unjustifiably hateful, monomaniacal, parasitic, seemingly supernaturally satanic tribe. Who is more to blame, the perpetrator or the victim? (Hate to use that jew-corrupted word, but it fits.)

The jews are to blame for the world we live in -- in the sense of primary cause versus secondary cause. It is their world. They designed it thus. We just live in it. And, with the murder of Hitler and Germany, increasingly we die in it.

In hundreds of years, only Hitler and Germany have handed them a temporary defeat -- and shown us the way to defeat unnatural evil: by close adherence to biological truth, to natural law, to cosmic design.

If we manage to survive the jew, the jew will have brought us close to godhood -- perhaps closer than we could have come without them. If not for the jews, there would have been no Hitler and no National Socialism, the first political system in two thousand years grounded on conscious biological, natural, racial truth.

The jews will have led us by their evil to this ultimate good.

IF...

Edgar Steele is working for our race everyday. No man presently active is doing more.

Anyone who has read his website, listened to his rants and read his book knows what he believes. As long as he is practicing law and trying to reach the jew-blinded masses of our people, he will say things that do not measure up to the purity of many posters on VNN.

For the love of our people, please allow our leaders the freedom to maneuver in the face of the enemy.

It is easy to attack our leaders on an anonymous chat board. It is hard---very hard---to give up a lucrative law practice or a business in order to fight OPENLY every day for the 14 words. Ed Steele believes in the 14 words, and fights, openly for them every day. And he has paid a great price to do so.

Everyone, no matter his position in the movement, is subject to criticism, sometimes deserved. Many of the posts here, Devere's and others, are valid criticism, whether I agree with them or not. But there are far too many gratuitous slaps at him, just as there are at others who have carried the load for us through the heat of the day.

Some say David Duke gambled. I say David duke FIGHTS! I will listen to your criticism when the day comes when you have done as much for our race as David has done.

Some say Glenn Miller ratted. I say Glenn Miller FIGHTS! I will listen to your criticism when your deeds equal his.

Some say Ed Steele equivocates. I say Ed Steele FIGHTS! When the day comes that the ADL devotes a page on its website to slandering you, like it does Ed Steele, I will pay attention to your criticism of him. http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/steele.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=steele

Since Alex Linder is the only VNN poster I know of who shares a place on that ADL honor roll with Ed, I will pay attention to his criticism. The rest of it I will ignore.

Stonewall you're 150% correct..... :cheers:

And if anyone disagrees, you should do the movement a favor and go hang yourself....

This bullshit infighting is getting rediculous.

Edgar Steele is working for our race everyday. No man presently active is doing more.

Anyone who has read his website, listened to his rants and read his book knows what he believes. As long as he is practicing law and trying to reach the jew-blinded masses of our people, he will say things that do not measure up to the purity of many posters on VNN.

For the love of our people, please allow our leaders the freedom to maneuver in the face of the enemy.

It is easy to attack our leaders on an anonymous chat board. It is hard---very hard---to give up a lucrative law practice or a business in order to fight OPENLY every day for the 14 words. Ed Steele believes in the 14 words, and fights, openly for them every day. And he has paid a great price to do so.

Everyone, no matter his position in the movement, is subject to criticism, sometimes deserved. Many of the posts here, Devere's and others, are valid criticism, whether I agree with them or not. But there are far too many gratuitous slaps at him, just as there are at others who have carried the load for us through the heat of the day.

Some say David Duke gambled. I say David duke FIGHTS! I will listen to your criticism when the day comes when you have done as much for our race as David has done.

Some say Glenn Miller ratted. I say Glenn Miller FIGHTS! I will listen to your criticism when your deeds equal his.

Some say Ed Steele equivocates. I say Ed Steele FIGHTS! When the day comes that the ADL devotes a page on its website to slandering you, like it does Ed Steele, I will pay attention to your criticism of him. http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/steele.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=steele

Since Alex Linder is the only VNN poster I know of who shares a place on that ADL honor roll with Ed, I will pay attention to his criticism. The rest of it I will ignore.

Eloquent and true. I can't disagree with what you have said. But I do think that no one, not even our best, can or should place themselves above criticism by those who also only want us to win. Some course corrections must always be considered. Honest counselors should be listened to.

Eloquent and true. I can't disagree with what you have said. But I do think that no one, not even our best, can or should place themselves above criticism by those who also only want us to win. Some course corrections must always be considered. Honest counselors should be listened to.

I consider your criticism valid. I believe it is not profitable for our cause to take gratuitous swipes at NS Germany. That is why I specifically mentioned your criticism as being "Within bounds". Ed Steele monitors this board, as well as others. Time does not permit him to post profusely, but he certainly knows which posters have a mature knowledge of the situation our race is in.

I am sure that your criticism will be taken to heart if/when Ed sees it. I simply used the more strident posts directed at Ed here as a spring board to comment on the outrageous proclivity of many to pound on our leaders in public.

I think a lot of it is just immaturity. Some posters seem to think that when Hitler met with a room full of manufacturing magnates while soliciting their political and financial support in 1932, he started the conference with a chant of "Death to the Jews!". I am sure that you know that he did not. I am also sure that when he "Soft-pedaled" on any issue for political gain, there were some who told everyone who would listen that Adolf had "Gone soft".

The worst thing about what we loosely call "The movement" is this destructive tendency to devour our own leaders. It must stop!