Edgar Steele is working for our race everyday. No man presently active is doing more.

Steele is doing good so far, but he starts becoming more successful he's going to need a coherent ideology; in other words he would need to make an ideological stand. It's totally fine to play devil's advocate or tailor a message to a certain audience but one needs to maintain their balance when being flexible lest they totally fall over. Whenever we try to tailor a message to a certain viewpoint, we need to make sure that we are steering them towards our newer, more comprehensive outlook on life rather than simply catering to their narrow-minded beliefs by telling them what they want to hear.

Right now that isn't a problem for people like Duke or Steele, but at certain level it can come back to bite us in the ass later on.

I consider your criticism valid. I believe it is not profitable for our cause to take gratuitous swipes at NS Germany. That is why I specifically mentioned your criticism as being "Within bounds". Ed Steele monitors this board, as well as others. Time does not permit him to post profusely, but he certainly knows which posters have a mature knowledge of the situation our race is in.

I am sure that your criticism will be taken to heart if/when Ed sees it. I simply used the more strident posts directed at Ed here as a spring board to comment on the outrageous proclivity of many to pound on our leaders in public.

I think a lot of it is just immaturity. Some posters seem to think that when Hitler met with a room full of manufacturing magnates while soliciting their political and financial support in 1932, he started the conference with a chant of "Death to the Jews!". I am sure that you know that he did not. I am also sure that when he "Soft-pedaled" on any issue for political gain, there were some who told everyone who would listen that Adolf had "Gone soft".

The worst thing about what we loosely call "The movement" is this destructive tendency to devour our own leaders. It must stop!

Agreed.

-- Devere

The jews have controlled/ruled the White World for hundreds of years, secretly, invisibly. The buck stops with the ones making the decisions. The jews are to blame for the world we live in.

And how did those Jews get that control? Because white men let them for whatever purpose.

Obviously, Whites are also to blame. Whites, though superior in general, are not perfect, have imperfections (greed, cowardice, need for social approval) and also wonderful, almost unique, strengths (empathy, generosity, conscience, willingness to be led almost anywhere by seeming good leaders, patriotism, warrior courage).

This is the same kind of thinking that the Jew has, highlighting the cultural effect they have had on us. How many times have we seen Jews claim 5,000 years of persecution, only to reply with "Because we're so GREAT!" when you ask them WHY they were persecuted. The factor is a moral deficit that was caused by massive flaws in our mentality as a race long ago. This dates back to the Christianization of Europe. It has nothing to do with Jesus, Catholics, Protestants, or anything of this sort. What happened is that we abandoned a type of philosophy that we had kept alive for centuries. We had a massive change in the way we viewed religion, morality, and philosophy.

Both our imperfections and our strengths have been cunningly used against us by a people who seem to have been genetically programmed and designed specifically to destroy us, an utterly self-concerned, valueless, unjustifiably hateful, monomaniacal, parasitic, seemingly supernaturally satanic tribe. Who is more to blame, the perpetrator or the victim? (Hate to use that jew-corrupted word, but it fits.)

Given that they are such an allegedly powerful people with genetic advantages in these skills, why is it that only white people in general have a Jewish problem whereas nearly every other race has kept them down?

The jews are to blame for the world we live in -- in the sense of primary cause versus secondary cause. It is their world. They designed it thus. We just live in it. And, with the murder of Hitler and Germany, increasingly we die in it.

White men designed it, white men with no regard for their race. White men that were all too happy to pal around with Jews who could bring him riches and material gains.

If we put the blame for our society squarely on the Jew, we are handing OUR destiny over to them. Our only hope in that case is that we ask them nicely to stop what they are doing and hope they reconsider. Or, we can start taking responsibility for our people, our society, and our future, and we can take control of our destiny from them, from the media, and from the corrupt of our race that maintain the Jews' protected status.

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Like what exactly? Not the tv stuff, I can't take any BS people say on TV seriously. Rather, pease identify with quotes and links, exactly what he wrote that you think was ill advised.

While I can't speak for Devere, here's what I didn't care for from his "Crack of Doom" rant, and what I felt was definitely going out of his way to insult "Nazis."

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All that was missing from Bush's speech last night was a rousing chorus of "Ein volk! Ein reich! Ein Fuhrer!"

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Here is something that should send a chill down the spines of all who consider themselves to be either liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican: I regularly see satisfaction expressed on many hard-core, Nazi skinhead Internet forums with the progression of America ever deeper into fascism. Why should this bother you? Because they say, "Good. Now, when we come to power, the mechanisms already will be there to implement our agenda." Think about that for a moment.

Who is he talking about there? VNN?!? If so, he's full of shit, as I've never seen anyone make such statements, at least not in the way he states, envisioning some "evil Nazi", Hollywood-style, rubbing his hands together in anticipation of being able to shove more jews into the oven. Though I have stated that if we can take USZOG intact, that the NSA's Echelon may prove useful in rooting out any crypto-Jews or Jew-friendly resistance that may yet exist. He not only distances himself from National Socialists, he insults us too, perpetuating the Jew-produced imagery of "evil Nazis." I suspect that's why that kike Donny Douchebag or whatever the hell his name is, let him on his show to begin with. He reminds me of that General in Northern California in the Turner Diaries who simply seeks to restore the Constitution, and has no patience for the Organization's "Nazi agitators."

There are some other minor jabs at "Nazis" and then, he advocates democracy

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Finally, Bush also stated last night that "the United States of America supports democratic reform across the broader Middle East." Unlike so many, I actually think that is terrific news. If we can make democracy work elsewhere, then there is a chance, however slim, that someday we might actually give it a try here in America!

This was helpful, John. Specific instances in black and white.

the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew. -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

To be realistic, it is pretty stupid to blame Jews for everything bad.

And how did those Jews get that control? Because white men let them for whatever purpose.

Out of indifference, mostly.

This is the same kind of thinking that the Jew has, highlighting the cultural effect they have had on us. How many times have we seen Jews claim 5,000 years of persecution, only to reply with "Because we're so GREAT!" when you ask them WHY they were persecuted.

Ya, like vice is not an evil. Jews have never had an ascetic sense, or a drawing closer to God by withdrawing from worldly things, mostly because they think the world was made for them. They have a crassness that is peculiar to their race.

The factor is a moral deficit that was caused by massive flaws in our mentality as a race long ago. This dates back to the Christianization of Europe. It has nothing to do with Jesus, Catholics, Protestants, or anything of this sort. What happened is that we abandoned a type of philosophy that we had kept alive for centuries. We had a massive change in the way we viewed religion, morality, and philosophy.

That moral deficit continues to multiply today. Christendom at least provided a framework of right actions and responsibility. Today, we have almost nothing. Anything, no matter how base, is permissible.

the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew. -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

The personification of Satan was a Christian invention.

Sorry MOMUS and Adolf.

That moral deficit continues to multiply today. Christendom at least provided a framework of right actions and responsibility. Today, we have almost nothing. Anything, no matter how base, is permissible.

Yet somehow Christiandom led to the society we have today. We can trace some of the core beliefs of Christianity to the creation of Enlightenment era Western liberalism, which itself later spawned Communism(albeit as a competing ideology).

Like I said before, I can understand him trying to court certain audiences, but you have to be careful doing that so that you don't end up catering to the audience rather than bringing them to your side. This kind of thing can bite you in the ass later. Let's say one uses certain issues to acquire a lot of support and membership from the typical evangelical Christian types. They often have a lot of money, and love supporting political causes. But when they start providing the money, and they start getting clout, they will inevitably turn it to their concerns. Suddenly issues like the illegal war in Iraq get edged out by issues like evolution being taught in schools. In short, it's better to truly convert someone than just recruit from other ideological factions, because if they get a foothold they can bring down the movement.

Bashing Hitler and skinheads is past soft-pedalling for the masses. He could have made his points without.
Perhaps Mr. Steele will enlighten us.
All this bush=Hilter crap is annoying. bush=stalin is a much better fit. Never heard. Too close to naming the jew?

Another typical example of the American movement problem. Some guy, a lawyer, who likes the sound of his own words and the sight of his own material in print, and who likes to think himself clever, is playing games.

We don't need people like this. We don't need these "intellectual" article writers and others to bore the white race to death. In Germany our writers get out and take action, as I do, every time they can. In the streets, in the housing areas, in the towns and cities.

No surprise that there is so much concern by all the other supporters of article writing. The white man in America is not impressed by what Rockwell might have termed the "sneaks and cowards" who pass papers around. The white man is impressed by those who act. And action isn't the Edgar Steele modus operandi.

Again we see the terminal decline of the American racial conservatives desperately hoping to win new recruits by wearing suits and ties and looking like those Mormon kids we have stalking families in Europe. And trying to recruit by attacking the "extremists" - the National Socialists, skinheads, white men with tattoos, white men on motorcycles, white men who fight, white men who get arrested, white men with the kind of attitude we need to win.

Who the fuck does Steele think he is? I think he's just another American pale white windbag. What we need is men and women with guts prepared to take action in the streets in defence of our people and to take militant political action in the certain knowledge that they will incur the wrath of the system by doing so.

Another typical example of the American movement problem. Some guy, a lawyer, who likes the sound of his own words and the sight of his own material in print, and who likes to think himself clever, is playing games.

We don't need people like this. We don't need these "intellectual" article writers and others to bore the white race to death. In Germany our writers get out and take action, as I do, every time they can. In the streets, in the housing areas, in the towns and cities.

No surprise that there is so much concern by all the other supporters of article writing. The white man in America is not impressed by what Rockwell might have termed the "sneaks and cowards" who pass papers around. The white man is impressed by those who act. And action isn't the Edgar Steele modus operandi.

Again we see the terminal decline of the American racial conservatives desperately hoping to win new recruits by wearing suits and ties and looking like those Mormon kids we have stalking families in Europe. And trying to recruit by attacking the "extremists" - the National Socialists, skinheads, white men with tattoos, white men on motorcycles, white men who fight, white men who get arrested, white men with the kind of attitude we need to win.

Who the fuck does Steele think he is? I think he's just another American pale white windbag. What we need is men and women with guts prepared to take action in the streets in defence of our people and to take militant political action in the certain knowledge that they will incur the wrath of the system by doing so.

What we need is everything, everyone. White men in the streets. White men analyzing and assessing. White men writing. White men talking and giving speeches. White men advising. White men and women awakening. White men planning. White men networking. White men hiring only brother Whites and firing non-whites at every opportunity. White women in search of White men for husbands and fathers. White women having White babies. White women refusing to have abortions. White women at home where they are needed.

And so on.

Everyone. Everything.

It all helps.

One day, out of all the everything and everyone may arise the One who Hitler said he wasn't but who would come.

The jews are impelled by their own jew-only network. Aryans by great men, great leaders. We await and try to create the ground from which will arise The One.

What we need is everything, everyone. White men in the streets. White men analyzing and assessing. White men writing. White men talking and giving speeches. White men advising. White men and women awakening. White men planning. White men networking. White men hiring only brother Whites and firing non-whites at every opportunity. White women in search of White men for husbands and fathers. White women having White babies. White women refusing to have abortions. White women at home where they are needed.

And so on.

Everyone. Everything.

It all helps.

One day, out of all the everything and everyone may arise the One who Hitler said he wasn't but who would come.

The jews are impelled by their own jew-only network. Aryans by great men, great leaders. We await and try to create the ground from which will arise The One.

Unfortunately, and here may be the real weakness in the White Race which makes us vulnerable -- that JP and others have been reaching for: Our race is a race of warriors. Our people are impelled by great leaders. Our people will follow a great leader through hell to achieve his vision, if his vision connects deeply with, crystalizes, the people's own inchoate, vaguer vision of their true path. And so we await that leader. But individual great leaders can be murdered. It is this vulnerability by which the jews have nipped in the bud every budding Aryan defense and response against them. By murdering and murdering and murdering our best.

With the jew, in contrast, we are confronted by a hive, a network, one mind, intelligent termites striving toward one ridiculous and unworthy self-centered goal -- themselves on top, come what may -- even if what they are on top of is a steaming stinking brown dung heap, which is all they will be on top of -- if they make it there.

Burn the hive.

..... If Steele wants to avoid talking about Hitler for the tactical purpose of not getting dragged down into a totally unproductive WW2 debate, this is totally understandable. But one cannot evade such a debate by joining in with the anti-Hitler crowd. It is far more honest to simply point out that Hitler's movement was Hitler's movement, and that even many of the Nazi intellectuals after Hitler's time greatly altered the ideology of National Socialism. It is also VERY important to point out the atrocities of the victors since 1945 to the present- showing that there is simply no case for moral superiority. Many of the crimes the US committed in Korea for example, were identical to those which Nazis were hanged for. In some cases, such as the bombing of Korean dams vs. bombing dikes in Holland, the American crime did far more damage and killed many more people- but Nazis were hanged for destroying those dikes.
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That is exactly right. Avoid the topic if the audience can't get it, but DO NOT feign agreement with our enemies over Hilter and NS. That creates real credibility questions doesnt it?

While I can't speak for Devere, here's what I didn't care for from his "Crack of Doom" rant, and what I felt was definitely going out of his way to insult "Nazis." ........Who is he talking about there? VNN?!? If so, he's full of shit, as I've never seen anyone make such statements, at least not in the way he states, ........:

Well, Metzger's made the point many times, and I happen to agree with him on a certain level.

We DO need a big intelligence apparatus and a standing army and modification of the bill of rights, on and on and on, if we would ever come to power, to uproot Jewish power in this country. Make no mistake about it.

If the cancer were removed, and White sovereignity and racial order restored, THEN and only then we could go back to some kind of classic-liberal style liberty system. But, let's be frank. Our enemies once in the USA used our liberties against us, and once in power they are taking them away from us. That is a game with no ideal solution. Let's consider Mithradates'solution to ausrotting Roman power:

Mithradates the Great, the 6th king on this name from Pontus, in Asia Minor, was aflamboyant schemer, a dreamer, and a skilled survivor who tried to claim the mantle of Alexander the Great and unite all Greek speaking peoples in a crusade against the rising power of Rome. Mithradates' own career was the stuff of legend. Born around 120 B.C., he inherited at age 11 the kingdom of Pontus, a small rather unimportant realm on the south coast of the Black Sea. However, his ferocious mother seized power, forcing Mithradates and his entourage to flee to the mountains. There he grew into a man of power and insatiable appetites. He received an advanced Greek education and could speak 25 languages. He was also a large, exceptionally strong, and skilled warrior. To thwart assassins he took minute doses of poisons daily to build up immunities. At age 18 he returned to Pontus, aunched a counter coup and put his mother and brother to death. He embarked on a career of conquest which brought many Greek kingdoms and cities into his domain.His expansionist aims brought him into conflict with Rome, which had established astranglehold on all commerce in the Greek East. Roman merchants and bankers swarmed everywhere and were universally detested. Mithradates conceived a vision of liberating the East from Rome and winning himself an even greater empire. He prepared for war by ecruiting a huge army which he unleashed in 88 B.C. in the First Mithradatic War. He began invading neighboring kingdoms allied with the Romans, and by ordering the execution of every Roman citizen in Asia Minor. Over 80,000 Italians perished in "The Night of the Vespers." Mithradates crossed over from Asia Minor to Thrace and south to Greece proper, calling for a general insurrection against Rome. Athens welcomed him as a liberator, but more far-sighted Greeks realized Mithradates was as ruthless as the people he sought to replace, and that Rome would not be easily defeated. The Roman response came in 87 B.C., led by the consul Sulla and five battle hardened legions. Sulla recaptured Athens andpursued Mithradates back to Asia Minor. Political discord in Rome forced Sulla to cut short his campaign, and in 85 B.C. he settled a peace with Mithradates. Mithradates had to evacuate his annexed territories and return to Pontus, surrender his fleet of 70 war galleys and pay a tribute of 2,000 talents, or roughly equivalent to 2.75 million silver tetradrachms. Thus ended the First Mithradatic War.The Second Mithradatic War broke out when the Roman general Murena invaded somedisputed areas near Cappadocia in 83 B.C. Mithradates soundly defeated Murena, and
Sulla, still occupied in Rome, ordered the Romans to withdraw. Some scholars date this tetradrachm hoard to 83/82 B.C. coinciding with this campaign. Mithradates continued rebuilding, and by 74 B.C. he had amassed an army of 120,000 foot soldiers, 16,000 cavalry, and countless barbarians, (who probably preferred to be paid in "Alexanders".) The Third Mithradatic War swung back and forth until Mithradates was defeated by Pompey the Great. An army mutiny led by Mithradates' own son, Pharnaces, sealed his fate. In 63 B.C. after he ordered his harem of 500 slain, he attempted suicide by poison, but his immunity worked too well, and Mithradates died on his own sword, or ordered his bodyguard to kill him. The Roman orator Cicero called Mithradates the greatest of all kings after Alexander.
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