There is no "nice" way out of our predicament. There is no way to use ideals of liberty and freedom In order for us to acheive liberty and freedom. Our ideals of liberty have been co-opted and freedom is just another word for "sucker bait." If we are going to achieve our goals, we are going to have to be very un-nice and very un-free.

That sums up our situation rather well. When the time comes, I will have no problem supporting what it takes to get the job done.

Our situation is quite like that of pre-WWII Germany. Hitler was created by German Jews and, in the same fashion, American Jews are busy building Hitler's modern-day American analog as we speak. Hitler and his Nazi followers were what it took to take back Germany from its sadistic Jewish, interloping, would-be masters. I don't know what form it will take, I only know that it will happen, as surely as night follows day, because that is just what Jews always have created. However, I am relatively sure that he/they will not be calling himself/themselves National Socialists.

If my loose usage of things Nazi and Hitler's image have offended some hereabouts, I apologize. But my apology really is restricted to being sorry that some of you take it in that way. Offense was not intended. Now, having said that, I deserve better from those who assume that I employ such imagery in an attempt to offend. I use it to awaken those still sleeping and to bludgeon our true foes...you know that, of course. Get a grip.

I simply do not possess the almost religious fervor that I see manifested concerning Hitler. I respect the religious sensibilities of others in not defaming, for example, Muhammed, but do not believe that Hitler really deserves placement alongside the likes of Christ, Buddha, Muhammed and others.

Thus, I see little wrong with employing Nazi imagery negatively in pursuit of a bigger cause, particularly since it works. Note how that differs from making light for the sake of mere levity or ridicule. There is a difference.

Also note that I do not demand that you employ the imagery in which I engage in order to be my friend. This last may seem a flip or irrelevant observation, but think about it.

-ed

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Mr. Steele,
I've enjoyed reading your writing. But I make, as many others in this thread have made, this request: you can praise Hitler, or you can ignore Hitler, but don't attack Hitler.

The point of Nazi-hatred is to pound into the subconscious the equation Hitler = white nationalism = absolute evil incarnate. When you use Hitler as a red flag to rouse the emotions (and your references to Hitler in the article were appeals to the emotions, not the intellect) you reinforce that programming. Even if you are attacking our enemies at the time you cause more harm than good to WN.

You don't seem to be dedicated to WN, and you don't regard Hitler as a hero. But you can't expect WN's to accept it if you attack Hitler and WN's.

If my loose usage of things Nazi and Hitler's image have offended some hereabouts, I apologize. But my apology really is restricted to being sorry that some of you take it in that way. Offense was not intended. Now, having said that, I deserve better from those who assume that I employ such imagery in an attempt to offend. I use it to awaken those still sleeping and to bludgeon our true foes...you know that, of course. Get a grip.

Kind of an insulting non-apology.

I simply do not possess the almost religious fervor that I see manifested concerning Hitler. I respect the religious sensibilities of others in not defaming, for example, Muhammed, but do not believe that Hitler really deserves placement alongside the likes of Christ, Buddha, Muhammed and others.

To WN's in general Hitler is far more important than the aforementioned.

Thus, I see little wrong with employing Nazi imagery negatively in pursuit of a bigger cause, particularly since it works.

It works to provoke a reaction - the reaction the anti-Hitler propaganda has always been intended to provoke. Specifically, the equation Hitler = white nationalism = absolute evil incarnate is intended to produce guilt, shame, fear and hatred in whites. It shouldn't be, but apparently is, necessary to point out to you that provoking this reaction is highly counterproductive if attempting to promote white nationalism.

It's been mentioned in posts above that you don't seem to approach issues with an entirely coherent ideology and tend to offer arguments for all sides. From a WN standpoint, however, Hitler-criticism and white racist-bashing is highly detrimental -- obviously!!

Our situation is quite like that of pre-WWII Germany. Hitler was created by German Jews and, in the same fashion, American Jews are busy building Hitler's modern-day American analog as we speak. Hitler and his Nazi followers were what it took to take back Germany from its sadistic Jewish, interloping, would-be masters. I don't know what form it will take, I only know that it will happen, as surely as night follows day, because that is just what Jews always have created. However, I am relatively sure that he/they will not be calling himself/themselves National Socialists.

ROFL! Conspiracy theorists start getting on my nerves.

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Edgar J. Steele
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com

Bashing Hitler and the 3rd Reich suggests a willingness to BELIEVE the war propaganda still being promulgated by the jewish media. You are intelligent enough NOT TO FALL FOR THAT. Whatever you *think* you know, or believe, about Hitler is probably little more than your prior ACCEPTANCE of what you heard from those jewish sources, their agents, or their dupes. People could read your post here and assume that Hitlew was indeed a "tool" of the jews because of your comment that "Hitler was created by the German Jews". You would NEVER argue a case in court based on mere heresay, even from a multiple of mainstream publications - you would go directly to the source so you couldn't be BLINDSIDED with better evidence. There are several writings (NOT mainstream) about Hitler by those who knew him best, and, others who maybe were trying to report a truthful, non-biased account. Two websites that might help are http://www.faem.com, and http://www.smoter.com. All I suggest is that you hold off making those popular mainstream denigrations of Hitler and the 3rd Reich until you develope a case for it as thoroughly as you would were you to be making a case in court. I assume you have been subjected to a lifetime of propaganda concerning Hitler et. al, as all of us here have been - the difference may be that many of us here have looked to see what those contemporaries of Hitler had to say - you have to dig for that kind of information. In the end, who to believe - in my mind, the pro-, or neutral- Hitler voices come accros more believable.
People may have reacted emotionally to your comments, but, a better response is to worry that you would accept the propaganda when you don't have to, being as intelligent and jew-savvy as you are. Can you imagine the tales that could be told about YOU to the world - the same mentality has been engaged to discredit Hitler for over 70 years now. Contumacyman

J: "So, Mr Miller, what do you think of Hitler ??

Me: "Greatest White man who ever lived. He stood up for White folks, and there were no drugs, no colored aliens, no black crime, no pornography, no faggots marching in the streets, no race-mixing and God and the bible was allowed in public schools, when Hitler was in power. White Americans with good eyesight who criticise Hitler, ought to have their brains examined."

J: "But, but, but what about the holocaust !!!"

Me; "You actually believe that Hollywood fairy tale ?? My God man, how the hell can you believe the German holocaust of the jews, when it's a criminal offense in Germany to even question it, much less deny it ??" Suppose I accuse you of being a mass murderer, and you get sent to prison for denying it? Same thing. Only brainwashed idiots believe Germans killed 6 million jews. What's the matter with you ?"

"Besides, I wish we had Hitler right now protecting our border with Mexico, and fighting violent Black and Hispanic gangs, and the drug cartels, don't you ??"

(NOTE: I'm not a Christian).

= WE LOSE

Any Questions?

Professor of total bullshit! Haven't you noticed we're losing anyway because we are trying to compromise? In Germany we are NS. We're starting to win, slowly.

How ironic that 40 years after Rockwell talked about this question of being smeared by the opposition, why he used the swastika and the open NS approach some in the USA are so hammered by the Jewish lies about National Socialism that they believe we can win by telling a little bit of the truth, rather than the whole truth.

That race-mixing is financed, organised and promoted by Jews.

That the destruction of white values and the consequent rise in crime, violence and anti-social behaviour is the responsibilty of Liberal values (pushed by the Jews).

That environmental problems are caused by greed and capitalism, again organised by and for international jewry and its allies.

The cure for this international anti-white effort IS National Socialism. If you have an illness you want the best, most effective cure. It may not be popular but it is what the doctor uses!

What's the matter with you, Rounder? Don't you know you're not being "clever"?

IMO, a million "clever" Steele's aren't worth a Miller fingernail.

Nazi symbols don't work in America. That's why GLR never went anywhere and died with a faggot's bullet in his head. Nazi flags don't work, never have. Nazi salutes are laughed at. Has it even occured to ANY of you that Alex Linder himself does NOT use Nazi swastikas anywhere on his website? Have you ever cracked two of your three brains cells together to wonder WHY?

God damn, are you that stupid!

Alex Linder does not even agree with you, so why the living fuck are you even here promoting your views on his website? Go over to the NSM site and let Von Bluvins blow you off with a great big Nazi swastika suck-off fest.

Ker-SPLAT!!!!

Gulp! ummmm....Nazism tastes GOOOOOD!!!!

I'd be interested in finding out what Dr. Pierce says on the subject and what you have to say on the subject, but here's how I would distinguish the two terms Nazi and Neo-Nazi. A Nazi is a National Socialist, in line with Hitler's envisioning of National Socialism. A Neo-Nazi is a derogatory jew term summing up the anti-German, anti-Hitler Hollywood myth of what the jews want the White public to think of when they hear the word Nazi.

Interesting to get your take on this thread. Thanks for checking in.

I had forgotten this thread but am glad to see that Ed Steele has weighed back in again to explain why he sees it necessary to compare the greatest Jew-fighter in history, Mr. Hitler, with the nincompoop Bush, and add that Mr. Hitler should never be compared with that greatest Pale Jew, the "King of the Jews," in fact, the mythical Jesus Christ.

I seem to remember that "Lycia" posted the old NA Membership Handbook on this forum so looked around a bit and found this thread:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=21411&page=3

See her posts, numbers 49, 52 and 54 (was her link to the text of the old Handbook removed?) or contact Lycia to see if pages 120-122 can be reposted here. If so, or if someone will simply type those two pages in here, then Ed and others can read exactly what Dr. Pierce's suggestions were as to how his NA members could effectively deal with the questions of "Nazis," neo-Nazis," and the so-called Holocaust, without demonizing AH, apologizing, and backpeddling from the truth as Ed does. Dr. Pierce's advice on the subject is infinitely more sound than is Ed's, unless, as Ed does, one prefers the teachings of non-Whites --- Jesus, Buddha or Muhammed -- to those of Mr. Hitler. I tend to prefer Rounder's straightforward ridiculing of such loaded questions even more than Dr. Pierce's polite approach at this point.

1) The hollow-hoax is the most powerful weapon in the jew's arsenal supporting their onslaught against White Western Civilization.

2) White Nationalism's main counter-thust in this war to dis-empower the jew must be revealing the hollow-hoax for what it is: a WWII disinformation, propaganda lie grown to behemoth proportions.

3) This task requires two necessary steps:

a) Marshaling the scientific/forensic and historical/documentary evidence into a logical argument that will demonstrate to the masses of duped white people the deception that is the hollow-hoax. Enough work on this has already been done in my opinion to acheive that result but more can and should be done to further solidify the case against it. See, amongst many others, http://www.ihr.org and http://www.vho.org.

(If WNs ever create something like a WN sainthood, St. Germar should be high up in the pantheon of our heroes. He is an intelligent, decent and honorable man whom I have had the privilege to talk with personally, look into his eyes and shake his hand.)

b) The demonically evil portrait of Hitler, National Socialism and the German people that the jew-controlled, court historian's post-WWII false histories put before the masses as truth must be erased in order to establish the monstrous deception that the hollow-hoax is. Hitler must be historically re-habilitated in tandem with exposing the hollow-hoax lie.

No evil Hitler, no hollow-hoax....no hollow-hoax, no evil Hitler. Either way, it's a tautology, something that must logically be the case.

Have you ever wondered why pictures like those below are never seen in any form of mass media...TV, school books, movies, magazines, newspapers? Who has suppressed them? Who?

Rhymes with screw and you as in...screw you. Does that hint help? I thought that it would.

And many more at: http://volkermord.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=36&page=1

http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/

In his latest rant, Steele mocks Hitler, fascism, and skinheads. Re skinheads, he says racist whites want America to become more fascist, so that when they take over, America will be already set up for fascism. He strongly suggests he is an anti-fascist.

In this rant, he also ends with an ambiguous joke about his personally wanting "democracy" to be forced on the Middle East -- perhaps then it will be tried here, he says. As we know, democracy has been the jew tool for nearly a century to gain control over White homelands -- and to incite immensely damaging fratracidal White wars. Understanding that, any support of democracy raises doubts re the supporter.

I notice that during his prior tv defense of Prussian Blue, he said he would not want another Hitler in the world. He didn't have to say that. He volunteered it. He also claimed he wasn't a racist and would have no problem if his daughter married an Asian. He did say he wouldn't want his daughter marrying a black man, so that was good.

Everything else he says in his latest rant is indirectly pro-white by being directly anti-bush and hintingly anti-jew.

He seems to be becoming rather tentative. I still think he's a good man. But he doesn't openly defend the White Race. My guess is that he's being a little cagey so that he can't be smeared easily as a racist.

But it still bothers me.

I think it is wrong for conscious White men to ridicule Hitler or Nazism in any way -- or play into the jew propaganda against our race in any way. We don't have to be blatent about our deep beliefs but we don't need to volunteer that the jews have been correct and justified in demonizing Hitler or Germany or NS.

Hitler was the greatest hero for our race who perhaps has ever lived. And Germany has been our race's greatest and most successful defender through the centuries (not just in WWI and WWII). The only reason few White people think so is because of 75 years of vicious anti-German and anti-Hitler jew propaganda before, during, and after WWII. Given that fact, our leaders and would-be leaders and all of us and all conscious White men need to be respectful at all times of Hitler and Germany and National Socialism -- even if they believe NS is no longer possible for the White World.

I always thought Mr Steele was supportive of our fight as a movement in whole.

Bravo, Burrhus! I was hoping beyond hope to get Edgar to at least, for one tiny moment, ask himself if maybe all he has *learned* about Hitler could be jewish lies. Unfortunately, as I have already found with my own relatives and close friends, it is HOPELESS. Some folks are just too darn saturated with the propaganda to even dare stop and ask themselves this dangerous question, "maybe there is another side to the Hitler story"?. I think we need intelligent, successful people like Edgar to help form the new white elite, and he seemed like a good candidate. Too bad. Maybe he is already too thoroughly indoctrinated with the anti-Hitler propaganda to resist. These jews did a good number on us, eh?
Good photos, and thanks for the website reference.
Contumacyman

If you like Hitler so much and Marxist-Lenninist derived "National Socialism" is your cup of tea, then you're free to take a plane over to Germany and start the Revolution.

This is America, you will never turn Americans into Germans, even Hitler 60+ years ago knew that.

America is an Anglo Saxon country, not a Roman-Germanic one.