Ronen,

you actually made it to the point i wanted to make in your very last sentence.

Nationalist,or fascist,or nazi or whatever parties will be always and forever treated as pariahs by the mainstream parties.

But the same can be told for the radical communists as well.

Its therefore important to find the things we do have in common so to allow from time to time (depending on how profitable it will be for us) a common denominator for an alliance.

Let me also remind you that the NSDAP didnt came to power because of its anti-semitism.It did come to power because it proposed economical/social/ materialistic solutions to the german people.

If you read their homepage you will quickly catch up to the fact that they are trotzkyist communists.Now these are the least favorable to us but thank to god there are other kinds of communists as well Europe,especially eastern Europe,is filled with stalinist communists.I,as well as Hitler did, consider Stalin a national communist.

Then there are the millions of the generation of my parents (i'm in the 20's,they must have been in their 20's back in the 1970's) in the western world,who were influenced by another ,to us favorable creed of communism, namely maoists.

If you read the homepage http://www.wsws.org you will see them spitting vitriol and belitteling stalinists and maoists all the time.You really sense the hatred coming through.

Trotzkyists are a rather new "thing" in the far left scene and has its roots in globalization.The trotzkyists say :" the international problem of globalization can only be solved by international means".While stalinists and maoitsts always favored national solutions to the international problems.

As for speaking about multi-culti with communists/socialists i prefere to say the following:

"Without solidarity there can be no socialism.Solidarity is the prerequisite to socialism.Homogeneous societies are more inclined to show solidarity to each other,than diversified societies.The more diversified a society is the less solidarity you are going to find among its members.

Its therefore of the outmost importance for the benefit of socialism to fight any trends forced upon us by the capitalists to diversify our nation."

Best regards,
Alex

P.S. I almost forgot that.The point of the article i posted should not be what trotzkyists think about the german socialist author of the "junge Welt" Jürgen Elsässer.The point should be that even some prominent socialists,such as Jürgen Elsässer, are favorable to the solution of a red-brown alliance.

That line you made about risking western civilization on a theory was great.

Kids like that can be led to join us through logic. And if he were to join with us, he would have interesting viewpoints and ideas to add.

I think a lot of people want to belong to an organization period.. and one that seeks to make our societies better. The NSDAP was very futuristic in its social ideas, in a wide range of areas. Like public health as an example. I would define it as more revolutionary then reactionary.

Many people want to do something, but know they need to work with others in an organization. The communists are master organizers and we could learn a lot from them.

I don't see any real compromise or coalition with communists possible, but some of them would come to our side if they would know to truth. Hitler said some kind words about ex-communists, who often became the most fanatical national socialists.

Without solidarity there can be no socialism.Solidarity is the prerequisite to socialism.Homogeneous societies are more inclined to show solidarity to each other,than diversified societies.The more diversified a society is the less solidarity you are going to find among its members.

Its therefore of the outmost importance for the benefit of socialism to fight any trends forced upon us by the capitalists to diversify our nation."

Best regards,
Alex

Great quote, Alex! That states it perfectly!

Good work Alex. The key to dealing with "Communists" in Western countries is to first determine if they actually follow Marxist-Leninist doctrine or the social-democratic/liberal bullshit that corrupted and castrated the Western Communist/socialist movement long ago.

Marxist-Leninism is about:

Eliminating class
Self-determination/anti-Imperialism
Cultural development(made possible by education and reducing the economic burdens on the working class)

Marxist-Leninism is NOT about:
"Equality"
Eliminating race or culture
Gay rights, Transgender rights, Furry rights, etc.
Supporting immigrants simply because they are non-white when they clearly are only there at the behest of, and for the benefit of the bourgeoisie class.

The latter idiotic ideas corrupted the CPUSA, and they popped up in Europe under the guise of "Eurocommunism". These are nothing but opportunist, liberal ideals that have absolutely no bearing on the class struggle. In fact they hamper class struggle, which in turn hampers racial development.

So when someone says they are a "socialist" or "Communist" you must first hold them to that title. A lot of "anti-racist" jackoffs talk about "class struggle" or "communism" but they are really nothing but unrealistic anarchists or liberals.

A GREAT way to check someone's real beliefs is to see what they say about Stalin. If they say stuff like "I'm not a Stalinist!" or they blame Communism's problems on Stalin, you can be sure they are not a real Marxist-Leninist and they don't know what they are talking about.

RE: JP

A GREAT way to check someone's real beliefs is to see what they say about Stalin.

Yes, a fish does stink from the head down, no matter how elegant.

Is it any wonder that the White race has always looked to the alpha-male for leadership since the dawn of time? We seem to get in trouble when the strong man dies or when we try to build a governing body built upon consensus.

It’s all there for us to learn and take away a lesson. The Founder’s noble efforts put in as many layers of safeguards as they could possibly think of, and yet the jew still gnawed his way in. The definitions of the Founder’s ideals were allowed to be redefined by the jew.

How does one make words immutable? They are made immutable upon the pain of death. We should keep this in mind.

Ronen,If you read their homepage you will quickly catch up to the fact that they are trotzkyist communists.Now these are the least favorable to us but thank to god there are other kinds of communists as well ]

I really don't like what I've been reading from you and Slovjanski. I don't think any brand of communism, brand it what you like, is worthy of an alliance with white racialists. You seem to be clinging to jewish communism the way many whites still cling to jewish christianity. It's on behalf of the jewish creed that millions upon millions of Ukrainians and Russians were starved or butchered in the soviet union. Stalin, whom you seem to be speaking favorably of, used collectivization partially as a means of undermining Ukrainian nationalism, and it would be twisted reasoning to assume that this georgian (evidence suggests he too might have been a jew and married jewesses 3 times) did this in a bid to strengthen the Russian ethnos. Mao's cultural revolution is thought also to have slaughtered around 30-40 million of his own chinese people.

These are nothing but opportunist, liberal ideals that have absolutely no bearing on the class struggle. In fact they hamper class struggle, which in turn hampers racial development.

Hamper Class Struggle? WTF? Class struggle was nothing more than a seed planted by the jew to sow envy and discord within white nation-states and pit white people against each other. Feminism, the destruction of the family, the international brotherhood of mankind have all followed in its wake. You guys sound like a couple of communists pining for the good ole days. Alex is probably an eastern German and Slovjanski is obviously from behind the former iron curtain as well. Personally, I think the communists got off way too easily in the east. They should have all been treated not as enemies of the state, but as enemies of their people and received the same treatment they dished out to so many others while they rode high on the hog back in the day.

Sorry, you're not my kind of people.

RE: JP

Yes, a fish does stink from the head down, no matter how elegant.

It’s all there for us to learn and take away a lesson. The Founder’s noble efforts put in as many layers of safeguards as they could possibly think of, and yet the jew still gnawed his way in. The definitions of the Founder’s ideals were allowed to be redefined by the jew.

How does one make words immutable? They are made immutable upon the pain of death. We should keep this in mind.

The one thing, the Founding Father's did not take into account. Jews, and opportunistic leeches, do not behave honorably.

If everyone had integrity, and behaved honorably. I believe this country really could have worked.

It did work, and was working, then the jew came along.

I really don't like what I've been reading from you and Slovjanski. I don't think any brand of communism, brand it what you like, is worthy of an alliance with white racialists. You seem to be clinging to jewish communism the way many whites still cling to jewish christianity. It's on behalf of the jewish creed that millions upon millions of Ukrainians and Russians were starved or butchered in the soviet union. Stalin, whom you seem to be speaking favorably of, used collectivization partially as a means of undermining Ukrainian nationalism, and it would be twisted reasoning to assume that this georgian (evidence suggests he too might have been a jew and married jewesses 3 times) did this in a bid to strengthen the Russian ethnos. Mao's cultural revolution is thought also to have slaughtered around 30-40 million of his own chinese people.

Yes,am i supposed to feel bad now,cause i dont feel anything? Maybe i just confirm the popular belief of a sensless cold-hearted German.

I wont even bother touching the subject of the 40 million dead chinese since i assume that you care about them as much as i do.
So lets focus on the "millions" of Ukrainians and Russians.Funny though i find the fact that although Hitler himself knew about the "horror stories" from the east it didnt hinder him from signing an alliance with Stalin,although short-lived.How is that?
Again the "horror stories" from the east didnt bother the NSDAP to ally itsself occasionely with the KPD in their joint struggle against the Weimar Republic.
Strange isnt it?Could you explain that to me,Ronen?

Nah...forget it,i will explain it to you.I will tell you a little secret.There is something called "Realpolitik".If the mainstream considers us pariahs and wont ally with us,then to hell with them i say.I'm going to find myself allies elsewhere.To get me what i want i'm prepared to ally myself even with the devil himself,so to speak.

Hamper Class Struggle? WTF? Class struggle was nothing more than a seed planted by the jew to sow envy and discord within white nation-states and pit white people against each other. Feminism, the destruction of the family, the international brotherhood of mankind have all followed in its wake. You guys sound like a couple of communists pining for the good ole days. Alex is probably an eastern German and Slovjanski is obviously from behind the former iron curtain as well. Personally, I think the communists got off way too easily in the east. They should have all been treated not as enemies of the state, but as enemies of their people and received the same treatment they dished out to so many others while they rode high on the hog back in the day.

Sorry, you're not my kind of people.

Two things:

1.Class struggle is a reality.It is been waged upon the working masses by the plutocrats.You see it every day in their demands for lower wages,healthcare and welfare cuts,flexibility of the worker etc. The list is endless.You think there exists no class struggle because you havent seen the working masses react to this "war" yet.But the exploitation is on and very real.

2.Instead of calling for more blood to be spilled and other such idiotic ideas when dealing with people from your own race who happen to have a different worldview than yourselve,lets examine how the sytem successfully dealt with the "Nazis" after 1945:

In the Nürnberg trials they killed the leaders of the movement.After that many trials have taken place in Germany which most of them dealt with accusation of war crimes.

No National Socialists were killed because of their beliefs.Instead Democracy tried,and partly successfully integrated former Nazis into the system.

And this is the way we NS should deal with them after coming to power.We must learn to forgive and dont exclude them from our society.On the contrary we must reward them if they show repentance by being particularly overzealous in advancing our ideas and ideals.We are all "Volksgenossen" and they too belong in our "Volksgemeinschaft".Simple as that.

The East European countries, before they were ruined 15-16 years ago, were in the phase of National Communism. If they were left alone, it would have morphed into National Socialism. Something like that is happening in Belorussia. And it works. The other example would be China. In 50-60 years the transformation of China will be complete and they would set about solving their racial problems. Something we could not do when we had the chance.

About joining forces with Communists: this is wishful thinking. They seem like us, they talk like us, but they are not us. The reason: they do not see the genesis of our problems. They register the symptoms, feel strongly about them but that's it. The moment you hint of the cause of our missgivings, they will eat you alive. They'll defend the jew to the end (yours).

So lets focus on the "millions" of Ukrainians and Russians.Funny though i find the fact that although Hitler himself knew about the "horror stories" from the east it didnt hinder him from signing an alliance with Stalin,although short-lived.How is that?
Again the "horror stories" from the east didnt bother the NSDAP to ally itsself occasionely with the KPD in their joint struggle against the Weimar Republic.
Strange isnt it?Could you explain that to me,Ronen?

Yes, I know alliances of expediency were made between the two, and that's all they were as Hitler knew full well that jewish bolshevism was a deadly enemy that sooner or later would have to be dealt with. You, on the other hand, go beyond mere realpolitik and sound like you have ideological sympathies with bolshevism. The two are not just a difference of degree but of kind.

Two things:

1.Class struggle is a reality.It is been waged upon the working masses by the plutocrats.You see it every day in their demands for lower wages,healthcare and welfare cuts,flexibility of the worker etc. The list is endless.You think there exists no class struggle because you havent seen the working masses react to this "war" yet.But the exploitation is on and very real.

Right. And we should do what? Nationalize and aim for liquidation of classes and aim for one undivided plebian proletariat class? Give me a break. Since you've invoked Hitler, is this what he aimed for? Obviously not since the Strasser brothers didn't get too far in the Third Reich.

2.Instead of calling for more blood to be spilled and other such idiotic ideas when dealing with people from your own race who happen to have a different worldview than yourselve,lets examine how the sytem successfully dealt with the "Nazis" after 1945:

Aside from Ceaucescu in Romania, nobody got any justice at all in the eastern bloc and there was never a de-communization program. On the countrary, the communists just changed their parties' names, got re-elected by the naive masses and have gone on to rape and pillage their countries in gangster-like fashion. Not a chance for an alliance with this filth, and don't bother giving me the bit about these not being the "real" idealistic communists either. We've seen all too well where this sort of "idealism" leads. The fact is bolshevism and national socialism are irreconcilable ideological antipodes and can only remain implacable enemies.

Alex

Before we argue anymore, could you explain to us, to what degree you sympathize with communism? Do you just want to get rid of the monopolies and oligopolies or do you want to go as far as to nationalize the flower shop down the street?

Alex, your blind support of everything jewish, is ridiculous. Everything your trying to promote, has been tried, and failed miserably.

It appears to me, your only changing the names, so it's the same ole shit, all over again.

Your communistic/bolshevistic crap, doesn't work, never has, never will. Your assuming everyone has the I.Q., of a snail. We are not all equal, get it.

The only government, that has a chance to work, is self-determination.

You should try your ideals in an african country. There you can find a bunch of idiots, that may buy your recycled, bullshit.

Yes, I know alliances of expediency were made between the two, and that's all they were as Hitler knew full well that jewish bolshevism was a deadly enemy that sooner or later would have to be dealt with. You, on the other hand, go beyond mere realpolitik and sound like you have ideological sympathies with bolshevism. The two are not just a difference of degree but of kind.

Yes i do have some ideological sympathies for "bolshevism" but really i dont consider myself a communist of any kind.You can have my word for it that i am and remain a NS.

Right. And we should do what? Nationalize and aim for liquidation of classes and aim for one undivided plebian proletariat class? Give me a break. Since you've invoked Hitler, is this what he aimed for? Obviously not since the Strasser brothers didn't get too far in the Third Reich.

Yes,yes and indeed yes he did.You should know that Germany of the time was seriously divided through class and religious lines.So overcoming the class bounderies is indeed an ideal of NS.Since you wont beleive what i say and i assume you havent read "Mein Kampf" either read it from the lips of the "Führer" himself: Here talking to the german youth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf6_zKLbykQ&mode=related&search=Hitler%20speech
Of course as you correctly stated the way Hitler used was a different one,of which the murder of Röhm and the sacking of the Strasser brothers speak a clear language.But the times have changed and the realities of today,especially the globalization of the capital,are not to be compared with the realities of 1933 for example.So the way i'm favouring is a bit different,but the ideal of a homogeneous classless german society have remained the same as 1933.

Aside from Ceaucescu in Romania, nobody got any justice at all in the eastern bloc and there was never a de-communization program. On the countrary, the communists just changed their parties' names, got re-elected by the naive masses and have gone on to rape and pillage their countries in gangster-like fashion. Not a chance for an alliance with this filth, and don't bother giving me the bit about these not being the "real" idealistic communists either. We've seen all too well where this sort of "idealism" leads. The fact is bolshevism and national socialism are irreconcilable ideological antipodes and can only remain implacable enemies.

On dealing with communists i have stated my position clear enough.I dont wish the death of any white man/woman only because of their "wrong" worldview.And no i dont beleive NS and bolshevism are antipodes but two different anti-capitalistic ideologies competing with eachother for the power in the state.

Alex

Before we argue anymore, could you explain to us, to what degree you sympathize with communism? Do you just want to get rid of the monopolies and oligopolies or do you want to go as far as to nationalize the flower shop down the street?

I'm favouring the nationalization of the big businness so to speak.The nationalizations of stock corporations,especially the multinationals. And no i dont want to nationalize small-and middle-sized businness.Maybe this can be done in the far future (always depending on the technological level,the general world situation and the maturity of the working masses) but today it would simply fail.

Alex, your blind support of everything jewish, is ridiculous. Everything your trying to promote, has been tried, and failed miserably.

It appears to me, your only changing the names, so it's the same ole shit, all over again.

Your communistic/bolshevistic crap, doesn't work, never has, never will. Your assuming everyone has the I.Q., of a snail. We are not all equal, get it.

The only government, that has a chance to work, is self-determination.

You should try your ideals in an african country. There you can find a bunch of idiots, that may buy your recycled, bullshit.

I dont give up white people,no matter how stupid they are.Always hoping that people like yourselve will smarten up.

I think that we can all agree, that any form of government that has jews in control is going to be oppressive towards it’s citizens.

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