I am glad you found my response to you humourous Ronen.Its called sarcasm and irony which Germans use when they have to discuss with idiots.Epecially stubborn idiots.Nothing communist about it.

So to be able to stand your claptrap i had only two choices:
1.Getting drunk.And you know how hard it is for Germans to really get drunk.
2.Using sarcasm and irony to amuse myself at your unlogical posts.

By reading your posts over and over agein i was asking myself: "What does this idiot want from me?" "Why does he find refuge in conspiracy theories believing i'm some kind of communist/crypto-communist/mentaly disturbed east German?"And then it suddenly made sense.Your only argument coming over and over again which leads you to your funny conspiracy theories is the positive attitude i have to nationalizations.

In your confused mind you beleive that nationalizations are a "jewish thing" and thereby i must be some kind of philosemite/communist etc.

So before going and refuting again point by point your claptrap i think i have to refute the notion of "jewishness" in form of nationalizations first.To do so we have go way back in time cause otherwise every evidence i will give you will somehow see a "marxist" connection to it.

The ancient germanic tribes knew no private property.The land belonged to the community,since we cannot talk about states back then, and not in private hands.It was there for the stock farming which was the main working occupation of the ancient Germans.When new land was won (for the example through means of war) it was annexed,"nationalized" by the community and remained property of the community.Some of these ancient germanic traditions have remained alive today for example in Switzerland (look under the word Allmend).

Another very prominent example is Prussia.The time under king Friedrich became known in history as the "Prussian Socialism".For example the nationalization of all feudal property,the transformation of the "Vorwerke" into small farmers land for the farmers to freely cultivate free of charge etc.
Als very important the fact that the Prussian state bank was the numer 1 employer back then.Very important too the fact that the weaving mills and the spinning mills were state property.Now that doenst sounds fancy to us today but back in the 18th century these were crucial industries comparable to the car-industry of today for example.So was Prussia a communist state? Was king Friedrich a crypto-communist? Or was he simply a mentaly disturbed east-German?

Even in the 3rd Reich nationalization of jewish as well as gentile property did take place.The quote of Hitler you seem to have put on some kind of shrine and pray to every day was just a tactical rhetoric.If he really beleived in it he wouldnt have put it into his 25 point program.

Btw interesting is also the fact that many within the NPD (a german nationalist party of today) as well as the NPD itself are not negative to the idea of nationalizations,to say the least.And i consider the party to be moderates.So are the NPD crypto-communists as well?

Hopefully all this has helped you understand 2 things:

1.I am not a communist/crypto-communist/mentaly disturbed east German etc just because i'm favourable to the idea of nationalization.

2.There is nothing jewish about it.It has in fact deep aryan roots.

If you still dont get it after that,than you are not to be helped anymore.Sorry.

You simply haven't comprehended what you have read, so rather than bluffing your way through this discussion by telling me I'm wrong without providing textual support, might I suggest you reread Chapter 11 of Mein Kampf v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y, with particular emphasis on the section where he speaks of the factory worker and jewish tactics. There, Hitler clearly states that any social question which existed only came into being with the foreignization, indeed the jewification of Germany. For him it wasn't a natural German indigenous development. So to borrow a phrase, you got Hitler all wrong.

I can read Hitler a hundred times and my point still stands as it is.

Now YOU are putting your own communist wishful thinking into Hitler's mouth. Never ever anywhere did Hitler at any time state such a fiction. More baseless bluffing.

Of course he didnt state it explicitely since he assumed that his book was going to be read by aryans not some uncivilized humas living on the trees.He trusted whites of being capable to count 1+1=2.As it seems his assumption was wrong.No problem though.Thats why i'm here to help you make the first babysteps into logical thinking.

Typical of a communist to speak out of both sides of his mouth. First I'm wrong, yet you seek clarification. I simply meant that there is a melding to a degree from both ideologies. Marx's brotherhood of the single undivided proletariat class has morphed with the help from capitalism into a unit of labor and consumption, still alienated from its labor, yet accompanying the dissolution of nation-states just the same. This was just an observation.

Yes of course you did a 180 degree turn.To put it simple: Marx predicted that capitalism will "go global" and all the things we talked erlier about (the break-down of national boundaries and the nation-state, the movement of capital, goods, and peoples across borders) would be caused by capitalism on purpose.By no way did Marx endorse this things,otherwise the communist countries would have implememnted them.He only observed of how things were going and made the predictions.

The part I don't understand is why someone who claims he's not communist but NS would think that in the future there would be the need for nationalization when even Hitler was plainly against it in the absence of there being jewish economic influence within society. You seem to hold nationalization as some sort of ideal, yet maintain your NS, that's the incomprehensible part.

Already answered that one.Scroll up.

Besides engaging in sophistry you haven't explained anything. You keep making the same baseless assertions over and over without support. That's what communists do because you got away with it so long in Eastern Europe. People would have placed their lives in jeopardy if they had every questioned phony communist assertions and outright lies.

You are paranoid.

Again, Hitler's Stalin alliance was a tactical move of political expediency. Had nothing to do with ideological assent. Your logic is simply non-existent.

Yes whenever it fits your worldview its just a "tactical move".To some extent it was.Sure but there is more to it.

Are your feelings hurt? The above is nothing more than empty rhetoric. A red-brown alliance would be nothing more than allowing in a wolf in sheep's clothing. Hitler himself never entered into any political alliance at home with the communists. FORMER COMMUNISTS were won over, but communism was never compromised with.

Already refuted by me.But then again Hitler didnt need to go into depth concerning alliances with the KPD because there was already an other nationalist Party he could ally himself with.Had it not been for the DNVP who knows what course history would take.

Btw in the end he simply nationalized the property of the leader of the DNVP.A funny fact which fits so well in this discussion.

Now this was the most humorous part of the post for sure. Here you are spending line after line trying to convince someone that Hitler's national socialism is somehow politically and ideologically compatible with Marxism, and when I present a paragraph of what Hitler really thought, for you it's irrelevant. Another Orwellism.

It still remains irrelevant because i dont see a ideological connection between NS and Marxism but at the very least a common ground in ways to solve some of the problems of capitalism (nationalization).

The communist ideology you find so compatible with Aryan National Socialism crippled psychologically the white peoples under its dominion after a mere 50 or so years so as to render them almost unrecognizable from what they were, and you come back with this crap about the unemployment rate, huh? This is why you people belong nowhere near the reigns of power. Hitler definitely knew how to deal with jewish bolshevism.

Seldom have i ever read such bullshit.

This last statement of yours definitely reveals you to be the cynical wolf in sheep's clothing that only an unrepentant communist can be. Everyone I've spoken with from eastern Europe, and I myself have relatives there, know that there's been huge psychological damage to the peoples there, and that the observations about the change in the east Germans I posted above are accurate. Of course you would not want anybody to notice this, for the same reasons you would not want you or yours to be held accountable for it. I have a cousin in the east just like you]

Again you are paranoid.While i give you facts that it was indeed "capitalism that has destroyed white lives in eastern europe" you give me more bullshit.
As for your "observations" concerning my german people better leave that to those who were born and live here.

And:

"If there is one small thing I hope I have accomplished during these exchanges, it's that people who might have been lurking here and read all this have seen for themselves what an insidious menace reactionery views still remains and what a deadly danger it is for any Aryan movement."

Which is why I am no longer NS.

I am sorry to hear that.We have lost a clear thinking person like you and have won some of the likes of Ronen.What an enrichment!

Socialism and its natural consequence, communism, spell Jews and millions of corpses. It is the place where the rat feels most confortable...

Alex, why did you waste so much of your time refuting,Ronen? 90% of what you wrote is bullshit.

Go away, your annoying, and wrong.

I think your yarmulke is on too tight, and screwing up the circulation, to your brain.

Perhaps the communist sympathizers haven’t noticed, but the vast majority of Westerners live pretty damn good. In general, the ones communists are crying big crocodile tears over, are those lacking motivation, intelligence, marketable skills and education. These types would not fare better in a communist society either, after all, who swept the floors at the MIG plant, who cleaned the rooms at the Inter Hotel, who cleaned the toilets at the airports, who farmed the pigs, etc. etc.? Some people you can not help, they are simply the way they are. It’s mainly human biology and psychology that determines whether some people will do well and others will not.

Westerners live pretty good? But aren't you always bitching about multiculturalism, degeneracy, globalization, third-world immigration? By your claims Western society is doomed.

Did you ever stop to consider that perhaps there are ECONOMIC reasons behind all those problems you constantly talk about? Did it ever occur to you that maybe all those things succeed because they are PROFITABLE to people in power?

Comparison TIME!!!

Socialism

National Socialism

Western Capitalism

Any questions?

Why aren’t you a fickle little fucker, next you’ll probably tell us that you joined the antifa, and have rejected racialism. I always wondered why some members on this site picked on you, now I see that they were just being good judges of character.

Fickle or just realizing the futility of an ideology that has failed consistently since 1945?

National Socialism is NOT "racialist". It was German Nationalism and it only expanded its scope upon realizing that they could not beat the Soviet Union without massive help. The Third Reich invaded NUMEROUS white nations, sometimes on false pretenses- ensuring their own demise.

Fickle or just realizing the futility of an ideology that has failed consistently since 1945?

National Socialism is NOT "racialist". It was German Nationalism and it only expanded its scope upon realizing that they could not beat the Soviet Union without massive help. The Third Reich invaded NUMEROUS white nations, sometimes on false pretenses- ensuring their own demise.

Then fix the flaws of National Socialism, don't jump ship and become an instant Marxist. No one is asking you to repeat the Third Reich's ideology word for word.

What do you want exactly? European Fascist leaders such as Leon Degrelle and Horia Sima both had complaints about the limited nature of National Socialist ideology and tried to expand it into a Pan-European concept.

Why can't you stay within the framework of Fascism and accomplish that?

I get the impression that you have a fixation with Eastern Europe so why not dig deeper into that? What about the Hungarian National Socialism of the Arrow Cross movement under Ferenc Szalasi?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferenc_Sz%C3%A1lasi

http://hist.academic.claremontmckenna.edu/jpetropoulos/arrow/sbio.html

http://www.osa.ceu.hu/galeria/sites/siege/section6.html

Look at those martyrs!!! Sandor Szivos and Rotyis!!!!

Now that's European Fascism!!!

Then fix the flaws of National Socialism, don't jump ship and become an instant Marxist. No one is asking you to repeat the Third Reich's ideology word for word.

I am by no means an "instant" Marxist. I am someone who was driven to reevaluate these concepts upon seeing the reality facing our race, realizing the complete failure of racialism to improve that reality to date, and having such a love of race that motivates me to look beyond old prejudices.

It makes no sense to try to rehabilitate NS- its failures outweigh its accomplishments. Even far-leftist NS thinkers such as Povl Riis-Knudsen have failed to fully sever their ideology from Hitler and the Third Reich, as well as the ridiculous view that Marxism is some kind of "secular Christianity" aimed at creating worldwide equality.

What do you want exactly? European Fascist leaders such as Leon Degrelle and Horia Sima both had complaints about the limited nature of National Socialist ideology and tried to expand it into a Pan-European concept.

Still, the damage was already done before they could have any effect on it.

Why can't you stay within the framework of Fascism and accomplish that?

Because I have realized that the problems with the movement are caused by fundamental flaws within the ideology. It is simply not a realistic ideology and cannot adequeately fight capitalism- which stands as the cause of all racial problems to date.

Let me just say this about Eastern European fascism.

The day I see Ferenc Szalasi, Joseft Tiso, or Stepan Bandera come back to life and actually make a difference in the miserable lives of Eastern Europeans today, will be the day that I reconsider my current views on Fascism.

Comparison TIME!!!

National Socialism

Any questions?

And who is responsible for that?

Eastern Socialism and Western Capitalism!

Westerners live pretty good? But aren't you always bitching about multiculturalism, degeneracy, globalization, third-world immigration? By your claims Western society is doomed.

Yes, materially they do live well, in almost every other regard, no.

Did you ever stop to consider that perhaps there are ECONOMIC reasons behind all those problems you constantly talk about? Did it ever occur to you that maybe all those things succeed because they are PROFITABLE to people in power?

Yes, of course, but that still is no reason to sympathize with communism. Fascism, unlike communism was a smashing economic success. The secret to fascism&#8217]

The funny thing about communism is that when it was put into practice, it turned out to be a giant monopoly, where one single entity owns all the factors of production, not really the workers. It is a well known fact that monopolies produce inferior products and services. If I am not mistaken, in communist economies all managers were assigned from the central government, all production quotas came from central government, most product decisions came from central government, all capital came from central government. But who was the central government, did the workers have much of a say in who runs their affairs, did they have much of a say when it came to the allocation of resources?

In a way, workers in communist countries were employees just like in the West, but they worked for a very shitty, incompetent, totalitarian organization that provided them with an inferior life in almost every regard other than being guaranteed a place to work, and worst of all, they did not have the choice to find themselves a better employer.

And who is responsible for that?

Eastern Socialism and Western Capitalism!

Well lets look at who invade Germany:

Free French Army(Germany had invaded them prior)
Soviet Army(Germany invaded them and caused massive destruction and loss of life)
Polish Army(Polish People's Army): Ditto

So they made their bed.

Yes, materially they do live well, in almost every other regard, no.

Exactly, making that material wealth utterly meaningless.

Yes, of course, but that still is no reason to sympathize with communism. Fascism, unlike communism was a smashing economic success.

Actually it wasn't. Only in Germany, which was already a major industrial power, did Fascism in the form of NS make any major progress. Spain was still hurting, Italy couldn't even manufacture decent small arms, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania- speak for themselves.

Also, the production of the Soviet Union far eclipsed that of Germany even after all the initial destruction and having to move the factories int the Urals.

The secret to fascism’s success was that it controlled the excesses of both labor and capital.

Again, that "success" was very limited]
The funny thing about communism is that when it was put into practice, it turned out to be a giant monopoly, where one single entity owns all the factors of production, not really the workers.

But the workers DID own the enterprises and had a say in their workplaces. Of course its identical to a monopoly; the difference is that the benefits are more evenly distributed than in a market-economy monopoly.

It is a well known fact that monopolies produce inferior products and services.

Tell that to Microsoft.

If I am not mistaken, in communist economies all managers were assigned from the central government, all production quotas came from central government, most product decisions came from central government, all capital came from central government.

Managers were elected at the workplace. Other than that it was centrally planned]
But who was the central government, did the workers have much of a say in who runs their affairs, did they have much of a say when it came to the allocation of resources?

They did at the local level.

In a way, workers in communist countries were employees just like in the West, but they worked for a very shitty, incompetent, totalitarian organization that provided them with an inferior life in almost every regard other than being guaranteed a place to work, and worst of all, they did not have the choice to find themselves a better employer.

Considering the conditions that existed before Communism, and those that exist now, and considering the monumental tasks that were accomplished under Stalin, it clearly had potential.

You cannot blame a system that is deliberately betrayed by those who consciously reject the "instructions" given and followed by past leaders.

I think i did Ronen wrong and treated him a little bit too harsh.If Ronen reads it i'm sorry for calling you an idiot.

The problem is that the lack of knowledge on these issues is tremendous.The root of the problems lies partly in the upbringing of people under western capitalism and partly on Hitler himself.

Hitler till the end believed that communism was stronger than capitalism and that eventually communism would win.This wrong estimation of his came from his own experiences with the Weimar Republic.Another fault of Hitler can be found with his seemingly pro market rhetoric.What people dont understand is that Hitler as every politician,sometimes said some things so to appease people he would ally himself with.It was just tactical rhetoric and not the true essence of NS.The purging of the Strasser brothers and the execution of Röhm worsened the situation for the left-wing of the party and gives ammunition to the idiots of today.

In any way i'm not interested in restoring the Third Reich 1 by 1 and i certainly beleive that some of the problems of today are not comparable with 1933 and need other solutions.I'm positive that in the future a more left wing approach to NS will become necessery and eventually it will be the correct way to go.

So has communism had a negative mental impact on the people in eastern Europe,including east Germany?

I dont think so.If one observers the mentality of the nations of eastern Europe with those from the West he quickly comes to the conclusion that eastern Europeans are in fact mentaly healthier than their western counterparts.And i'm not just talking about racial and national sentiments.

The fact alone that there are certain members on this board who look down on working class whites and who look down on manual labor speaks volumes about the negative impact capitalism has had on its people.In very extreme cases capitalism even produced totaly dysfuctional personalities like Proud White Guy for example.I dont blame him for beeing the way he is.He is simply the product of a capitalist system.

Also, the production of the Soviet Union far eclipsed that of Germany even after all the initial destruction and having to move the factories int the Urals.

Yes but Germany was under heavy bombardment and even had to move the factories under the earth!

Yes, materially they do live well, in almost every other regard, no.

I agree with almost everything you said in that post with the exeption of the sentence i put in quotes.It shows me that you still havent "disconnected" mentaly from capitalism.People in capitalist societies increasingly do not live well,materially speaking.Poverty which was unknown in the former eastern-bloc is increasing.

But what is even more important is that you can rest assured that the personal economic situation will in the future continue worsening.Because thats the way capitalism operates.

Germany's production actually INCREASED as the strategic bombing increased. It peaked some time in 1944. However, the Soviet Union had already passed it long ago. Nazi Germany released propaganda films about the Soviet Union belittling their production and capabilities(The Soviet Paradise is one example). The German people were a little pissed years later when they discovered the quantities and quality of Soviet production.