it's collapsed in value quite a bit against the euro, already, past few years. however, it's in the midst of a small rally. who knows what the long term situation is. if the jew figures out he can't lose the compliance of White Amerikwans, my bet would be that the dollar's value will hold for a long time.

The dollar, world’s trading currency is loosing its status. I would say that by 2020, the dollar will no longer be dominant. Even at home, once Aztalan nueva mehico of southwest claim independent, the dollar will further be marginalized.

by 2020-- that's a big time frame. what will replace it? Only China promises the social stability that the USA COULD HAVE delivered if we werent owned by the Jews, entirely, such that they have utterly ruined our once fine nation.

I'm no soothsayer, but I can't wait to see what happens to the dollar in March when Iran opens its Euro-based oil Bourse. The Bourse has the potential to become the world's largest petroleum-trading-platform, essentially a stock market for oil. It's primary trading currency will be the Euro, not the Dollar.

Enkidu

Watch out!! Incoming.

With the mounting deficits, outsource economy, war spending, large aging population nearing retirements, by 2016, the dollar” is a goner, but not before a nuclear confrontational in the Middle East and here at home will signal the end of the dollar".

Just by coincidence I posted this elsewhere. So I'll repost it here and ask the same question: When do we tank???

People I know are wondering how much time is left. The elites are openly looting the country now and that's usually a pretty dependable signal that the lights won't be on much longer.

So far we've been told the wheels will come off the wagon when:

1. An appreciable number of "Baby Boomers" start to retire,

2. An appreciable segment of the Global Economy switches to Euros and dumps the dollar,

3. Japan and China dumps our T-bills in large numbers,

4. The housing boom goes bust.

I'm not sure it's all that simple.

We can forget about (1) because Boomers are more likely than their parents to have been downsized, switched careers, and stiffed out of pensions. I think that's always been a straw man argument. Most Boomers I know are going to work till they drop, excepting a handful with government pensions.

We've seen (2) already start and the sky ain't falling.

Since both Japan and China need us as customers, forget about (3) entirely. They can hold useless dollars till the sun freezes as long as America is stupid enough to get credit from them to buy more junk. (Bankers have been doing this for centuries.)

And I'm betting (4) will be the equivalent of the 80's "rolling recession". That was where part of the country is always in the toilet but other parts will make up for it, they just switch places a lot. Same here with real estate. I'd say right now California will start to tank. Watch for the Dakotas to start bubbling up.

Anyone have any idea what indicators might say more? I think the economy has been hollowing out for 25 years to the point America no longer makes even a significant percentage of its domestic steel or grows enough food to feed itself. Under any president before Reagan this would have been considered a disaster. As it is, our indicators don't even... well, indicate these things.

Actually this whole subject is more about perceptions than the scientific method. Honestly. The best stock analyst I know gave up trying to predict anything. I agree. But if anyone has even a good guess as to when the ceiling might fall & why, I'd be curious.

... by 2016, the dollar” is a goner, but not before a nuclear confrontational in the Middle East and here at home will signal the end of the dollar".

That might be optimistic if President Moron tries to invade Iran. Hope it's right though.

That might be optimistic if President Moron tries to invade Iran. Hope it's right though.

2016: 2+1= 3- 666 the beginning of the end of Jew-usury

I'm no soothsayer, but I can't wait to see what happens to the dollar in March when Iran opens its Euro-based oil Bourse. The Bourse has the potential to become the world's largest petroleum-trading-platform, essentially a stock market for oil. It's primary trading currency will be the Euro, not the Dollar.

Enkidu

Watch out!! Incoming.

The Bourse is scheduled to open in March 2006. William Clark wrote a good article called Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse.
http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html

BOHICA (Bend over, here it comes again)

. . . America no longer makes even a significant percentage of its domestic steel or grows enough food to feed itself.

America is the biggest exporter of agricultural products in the world. American food imports are mainly luxury goods, such as off-season fruits and vegetables, coffee, cocoa and wine.

http://www.lfbf.org/news/stories/2005/12-06/

"The Agriculture Department says it will likely be time to raise the bar on record U.S. agricultural exports again in fiscal year 2006.
That comes on the heels of a record in fiscal 2005, when U.S. ag exports totaled 62.4 billion, equaling the record set in fiscal 2004. For fiscal year 2006, USDA predicts U.S. agricultural exports will top $64.5 billion."

Anyone have any idea what indicators might say more?

There just might not be any indicator ! It could just be a spontaneous collapse in the same way that an avalanche occurs, with no obvious cause.

One thing you might want to keep your eye on is Fannie Mae (FNM) the Federal Mortgage Insurer. The amount of debt held by Fannie Mae is fantastic and a lot of the accounting at FNM is very opaque with a great deal of foggy derivative activity.

The value of the dollar is already in a slow collapse, price of oil, price of copper, price of lead. All these are showing that the dollar is losing its value.

With a fiat currency, its like the shell game, only the man moving the shells really knows.

'jews are masters of the rigged game' ........ Agis

America is the biggest exporter of agricultural products in the world.

Was, more likely. There is in fact an argument going on about this subject since Buchanan reported an agricultural deficit of about $170 million in 2002.

The reliable William Hawkins says the trend is the problem, whether we're actually in a deficit situation at the moment or not:

http://www.americaneconomicalert.org/view_art.asp?Prod_ID=2172

This graph shows why:

My understanding is that the Dept of Agriculture and the Dept of Commerce are still quibbling over the exact figures, but the import/export lines have been too close to call for a number of years now.

I'll stay pessimistic on this subject. Forget the Argentine beef at McDonald's and the Mexican broccolli at the supermarket, the fact is agriculture in America is just like industry now: Who knows what's happening where? If Mexicans are harvesting crops on American land own by a Japanese keritsu, I don't care if it's considered a surplus. It ain't helping us.

The Bourse is scheduled to open in March 2006. William Clark wrote a good article called Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse.
http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html

BOHICA (Bend over, here it comes again)

Hmm, excellent article. I congratulate myself on not banning you for your flagrant flaming of myself. You are indeed a productive user of this forum.

I found 2 parts of that article especially interesting:

The most recent, and by far the most troubling, was an article in The American Conservative by intelligence analyst Philip Giraldi. His article, “In Case of Emergency, Nuke Iran,” suggested the resurrection of active U.S. military planning against Iran – but with the shocking disclosure that in the event of another 9/11-type terrorist attack on U.S. soil, Vice President Dick Cheney’s office wants the Pentagon to be prepared to launch a potential tactical nuclear attack on Iran – even if the Iranian government was not involved with any such terrorist attack against the U.S.:

question: if this were to come to pass, would there be a possibility of a coup d'etat, by the military, to thwart such an insane order from the civilian leadership?

2...

While central bankers throughout the world community would be extremely reluctant to ‘dump the dollar,’ the reasons for any such drastic reaction are likely straightforward from their government’s perspective – the global community is dependent on the oil and gas energy supplies found in the Persian Gulf.

Fuck, you can say that again. Yes, the world JEW bankers will be VERY reluctant to dump the UNCLE SCHMUEL DOLLARS. Like, it aint gonna happen. Just like that first item-- no coup d'etat in this country would be successful, UNLESS COMBINED WITH AN ANTIJEWISH POGROM. Whether it's the question of ANY national interests being asserted against US govt as cat's paw of international jewry anywhere, none of it will get off the ground anywhere unless Jews are first removed from positions of power.

Nothing the EU does to compete with dollars will accomplish jack shit in terms of world-historical conquest or supremacy, unless it's done with a simultaneous defanging of Jewish power in Europe. That right now is about as likely as a ski resort opening on Waikiki beach.