I would gladly and willingly die for my race is only enough of my brethren were willing to do the same. My fantasy death is going down in a hail of bullets yet knowing that tens of thousands like me are doing the same but will prevail due to sheer ingenuity and better killing skills. I'm not joking. Giving up your life to be used in a freak-show about some aberrant racist murderer is one thing. Giving up blood and life is another thing altogether when one dies knowing that the overall cause will prevail.

It's the difference between pointless death and death with honor. One is done alone and only to be exploited by the sytem. The other is done with many others and helps to result in the end of the current system and an establishment of a new whiter one.

These aren't just the hollow words of some keyboard commando. What we need is a bloody revolution and overthrow, rather than just a few nobodies offering themselves up for the jewsmedia exploitation.

Powerful post.
If we had a 1,000 such people as you our race may stand a chance.
It is ironic that many people outside of white nationalism are willing to die bravely for their cause,eg moslems,animal rights activists,IRA etc.
Yet white nationalists who one would have fought held their convictions just as powerfully are not willing to do likewise.That is a damning indictment on both our race and movement.
Bob Mathews I understand died alone but even his solitary sacrifice has not gone unnoticed and he is regarded as a martyr for our cause.
So in that sense his sacrifice was not in vain.
Revolutions are possible.One eastern European country after another overthrew their governments and this was in the main peaceful with little or no loss of life.
So yes revolution is what we should be focusing on not canvassing handfuls of votes for insignificant politically marginalised parties.

All those groups that you referred to were willing to risk their lives for their cause.I see no-one in this movement since The Order that are willing to do likewise.We simply have run out of time.We have only decades left before we approach the point of no return and and all that we have accomplished in the meantime is hot air.Do you think our ancestors would have deliberated and debated endlessly while the alien invaded their shores? Do you think they would have even have let it happen? We have gown weak and we are ready to perish.

Nobody followed the Order because they had no real ideology or plan. Would YOU follow someone who did that? While I can respect that they put their money where their mouths were, it is not surprising that nobody has followed in their footsteps. How can people fight for a cause if that cause is vaguely defined and thus there are no standards and because of no standards there is no movement?

Very nice - let's start with the most difficult step. A perfect recipe for failure. In a nation where millions of Whites are fearful of Muslims, angry at illegal aliens and fed-up with crime, our goal should be to incorporate these increasingly popular themes into our movement. Those here who say we need to ally with Muslims or try to make common cause with the radical left are just spitting on the people who are most likely to join us - White blue collar working men who are falling farther begin economically and are extremely angry aqbout affirmative action, feminism, exported jobs and media filth. There is a difference between hating America and hating what America looks like today. Hating America will get us nowhere.

What you are describing is basically what White Nationalist leaders have been doing for decades- and it is one of the biggest roots of our failure. It could be called the "Path of Least Resistance". We've all fell for it, that's why many of us worked tables at gun shows. We figure, "here's a lot of 'right wing' people, it won't be hard to push them over to the racialist viewpoint." While it seems logical in theory it doesn't quite work that way.

When you recruit these people, usually the real racialists in charge of the group will treat him with kid gloves; "Sure, you and I know that the real problems in the Middle East are based on American foreign policy but that would piss off our new member, Peter Patriot. Let's just humor him and stomach his rants about those dang 'A-rabs' and prayer in schools because he usually puts a ten in the collection hat every meeting." But what eventually happens in the end? As these individuals multiply throughout the movement, a change occurs. Often it is very subtle. I've met a few racialists in the past who, while they were in some cases very dedicated and hard-working members for the unit, seemed to have questionable motives. Not questionable as in they might have been Feds but questionable in the sense that I wonder how much these people are truly racialists, caring about our European culture, or are they just extreme conservatives or libertarians who don't get along in the normal circles. I believe that many people come into the "racialist" movement simply to have a place where they can fully speak their mind about anything, good or bad.

The new movement must set standards, and an ideology. As to patriotism the answer is clear: We must be loyal to any government that serves the survival and existence of our race, all else is illegitimate. What that country may have represented 50, 100, or 200 years ago is wholly irrelevant. Obviously this might cause some people to have cold feet, which is one purpose for the next major point of the new movement: People that join the movement adjust as necessary to its ideology, they do not change the ideology to fit their personal beliefs. We cannot afford to coddle some outdated reactionary who still loves his flag and his dream of some mostly white, capitalist America oppressing white nations overseas or allowing the oppression of such nations. We should tolerate a healthy amount of independent thought and personal beliefs but what we cannot tolerate under any circumstances is allowing people to swear loyalty to our cause while living under the veil of delusions. To "humor" such individuals and feign support for their delusions would make us liars.

Also, like one of my favorite movement leaders(rob freeman) tries to get across-
dying in a hail of bullets is a glamorous and easy way out-- but can you thanklessly shovel manure for ten hours a day for your race? Will you go over financial data for 8 hours behind a cubicle for you ancestors? It's boring, but that is why we whites managed to get on top-- through administration and infrastructure!

Nobody followed the Order because they had no real ideology or plan. Would YOU follow someone who did that? While I can respect that they put their money where their mouths were, it is not surprising that nobody has followed in their footsteps. How can people fight for a cause if that cause is vaguely defined and thus there are no standards and because of no standards there is no movement?

Your argument has merit and one look at VNN confirms that there is no single ideology and there probably never will be but there is a cause and there is a goal and that is the removal of the Untermensch from our lands.
Our ancestors would not have troubled themselves in identifying or formulating an ideology they simply would have fought to have prevented the overrunning of their lands by aliens.
The Order set an example in terms of resisting the invader:they were no afraid to be men.By contrast to other movements and peoples,the IRA,ETA,PLF,moslems etc we are sadly lacking.

Also, like one of my favorite movement leaders(rob freeman) tries to get across-
dying in a hail of bullets is a glamorous and easy way out-- but can you thanklessly shovel manure for ten hours a day for your race? Will you go over financial data for 8 hours behind a cubicle for you ancestors? It's boring, but that is why we whites managed to get on top-- through administration and infrastructure!

And what has this "infrastructure" achieved or will achieve in the limited time that is left?

So long as Joe Sixpack and Sally Soccermom don't know the issues and aren't aware of their interests, or aren't even aware of the fact that they have interests to fight for, we won't get anywhere.

In fact, Joe and Sally will easily be recruited to fight us or at least inform against us.

Right now the infrastructure belongs completely to ZOG.

You can't skip steps, however awful things are.

My goal is to see ordinary White people aware of ZOG propaganda, and do everything possible to resist it, beginning by cancelling their cable, growing gardens, doing car sharing, and even having an arrangement where several of them rent a house from another. That is, when they are willing to have 3 trusted families squeezed into their house with them. The 3 families of renters are paying dirt cheap rent; at the same time, the owning family is paying zero mortgage. All families are accumulating precious metals, sharing cars, and getting their food cheap from the garden and from the local CSA farm, and paying one of the house's moms to home school the kids.

When ordinary Whites won't take such steps, we won't get anywhere. If and when they do, we may be able to win without a shot being fired, even considering how bad things are right now.

The other thing to mention is that when Joe and Sally stop spending, it will crash the ZOG economy. They can forcibly stop spending because they are broke, and starving, or they can voluntarily stop spending because they are getting their needs fulfilled locally, outside of the ZOG economy.

I got more to say but a long work day ahead. Good thread. I'll check back tonight.

Rob

Your argument has merit and one look at VNN confirms that there is no single ideology and there probably never will be but there is a cause and there is a goal and that is the removal of the Untermensch from our lands.
Our ancestors would not have troubled themselves in identifying or formulating an ideology they simply would have fought to have prevented the overrunning of their lands by aliens.
The Order set an example in terms of resisting the invader:they were no afraid to be men.By contrast to other movements and peoples,the IRA,ETA,PLF,moslems etc we are sadly lacking.

If you feel that the Order is the epitome of what we should be doing than feel free to follow them rather than just being another internet Order nutrider. Have we NOT had enough people running around on the net hailing the activities of the Order, lamenting that nobody follows them, and...NOT FOLLOWING THEM?! It's as though they are hoping that SOMEONE else is going to do the fighting, the jail time, and the dying.

Muslims succeed because they have standards, they know who they are, they know who they aren't. Most White people have no clue as to who or what they are, where they came from, or what their own values are. Everyday whites have some kind of excuse for this ignorance, but the fact that so many, if not the majority of white "racialists" cannot even give a decent appraisal of our goals or values, or even identify which ethnicities are "white" with any consistancy, is ridiculous.

I heard a quote that outlines our problems here:

"An immature mind seeks to die nobly for a cause, while a mature mind seeks to live humbly for one"