Moreover, as I've posted elsewhere a number of times, the jew war against us represents an artificially induced evolutionary bottleneck event, with huge evolutionary implications for us and the world, whether we survive or die. A bottleneck evolutionary event, by definition, necessitates the loss of a large percentage of current genetics.

Evolution does not necessarily go steadily upwards. It can reverse. It is reversing now -- as I've explained elsewhere. In that sense, since evolution is currently running in reverse, the odds favor an upward path from here if we survive. Assume that some of us (a sizable number) survive this bottleneck -- get through it. Those of the White Race who survive will have whatever characteristics are necessary to survive the jew-bottleneck-event. They will also have the other White characteristics they have. Since the characteristics necessary to survive the jew are not necessarily the characteristics which have prior to this bottleneck event allowed or impelled the White Race to create its wondrous civilizations, the White survivors may not necessarily be our best in any other respect except the ability to survive the fucking jew. Thus, the surviving people may not be able to re-create White Civilization at the same high level that we have achieved heretofore. On the other hand, the surviving Whites may very well have BOTH the ability to survive the evil jew and the ability to recreate White Civilization. Regardless, of course, we must strive all out for survival and victory over the jew.

We, at this point, don't yet know what characteristics will be required to defeat the jew. It may be the ability to shrink small and become unseen. It may be the ability and willingness to die and kill with utter ruthlessness. It may be the ability to, jew-like, wage a war of skillful deception. It may be an extraordinary increase in intelligence. Time will tell. Whatever the necessary characteristics, those characteristics will mark our race from that point on. The jew will leave his imprint, one way or the other. That imprint may improve us in many respects -- or it may degenerate us in some ways. Again, only time will tell.

Assuming we are, as a race, victorious, however -- those new racial qualities may well better equip us for future challenges from unexpected and expected quarters -- other human groups (the Chinese for example) or alien intelligences we must confront as we enter into outer space in earnest. This bottleneck may well give us the final missing ingredient our race has needed to embark successfully upon our ever upward evolutionary path into the universe beyond Earth. Our distant progeny may one day thank the jews for providing this evolutionary bottleneck event. Just as we now, when we think about it, must be grateful for the nearly unprecedented volcanic eruption that violently killed most of our ancestral predecessors in the Caucasus Mountains in Central Asia 200,000 years ago -- and initiated a new evolutionary species via natural selection: homo sapien sapiens, modern man: us.

Dude, give it a rest, will ya? Evolution is bullshit. It's jew science and I don't care that Darwin wasn't a jew. The jews parrot this asinine, mindless dogma from east coast college campus to west coast college campus to fool the dummys into believing that we're all related, doesn't that tell you something?

If you want to believe that you decended or ascended from a monkey then go ahead on, I'm not emotionally involved. I can tell you this, however. I'm not related to Rhesus monkeys, "Lucy", Peking Man or niggers. I am a White man. A completely different breed of man...a human. I don't know how my ancestors got to the planet Earth but it damn sure wasn't through "billions and billions" of years of evolution. We White guys showed up suddenly in Europe about 45,000 years ago in an era called the Upper Paleolithic. We spawned an astonishing number of human cultures, such as the Aurignacian, Gravettian, Perigordian, Solutrean, and Magdalenian and we haven't stopped since!

You can give me all the jew scientific references and refutations you want but it won't change anything in my mind, boy.

Dude, give it a rest, will ya? Evolution is bullshit.

I think it's the truth and important. If you don't, fine. Don't tune in.

It's jew science and I don't care that Darwin wasn't a jew. The jews parrot this asinine, mindless dogma from east coast college campus to west coast college campus to fool the dummys into believing that we're all related, doesn't that tell you something?

It's not a jew science, it's Science -- which is White by definition. Because the jews twist the truth to further their agenda, doesn't mean the truth they twist is no longer the truth. Indeed, it should be refreshing and even enlightening hearing the actual original White truth of evolution from a White man. Since I believe, based on the evidence, that niggers are a different and inferior species, that should tell you something about my opinion as to whether we are all the same. We ARE all related, of course. All living things on earth are related. All mammels are related. And so on. Why does that discombobulate you?

If you want to believe that you decended or ascended from a monkey then go ahead on, I'm not emotionally involved. I can tell you this, however. I'm not related to Rhesus monkeys, "Lucy", Peking Man or niggers. I am a White man. A completely different breed of man...a human.

That's right, we are a completely different breed of man -- a human. I agree. On the other hand, that fact doesn't mean we aren't related to apes. In fact, we are, physically, apes. That's our genera. Isn't it obvious? Or do you think we look more like tigers than chimps? Sorry, humans are members of the ape family -- although a very different and superior variant. That concept is not jewish and is not demeaning. It's just the truth. You're related very indirectly and distantly to an ant too. You even share some ant genetics. But, not to worry. That doesn't make you an ant. You share some of the same genetics with a potato. That doesn't make you a potato. There. The worst is out of the way. Don't worry about that kind of thing, Steve.

I don't know how my ancestors got to the planet Earth but it damn sure wasn't through "billions and billions" of years of evolution.

From a soul standpoint, no. From a physical standpoint, yes, your ancestors and you got here through the process of evolution, which began about 3.5 billion years ago.

We White guys showed up suddenly in Europe about 45,000 years ago in an era called the Upper Paleolithic. We spawned an astonishing number of human cultures, such as the Aurignacian, Gravettian, Perigordian, Solutrean, and Magdalenian and we haven't stopped since!

That's right. Agreed. The Race of Civilization. But where did we White guys show up FROM? Outer space? God's mind? A thunderbolt? It matters -- to those of us who want to understand how the universe ticks and how we, the White race, fit into it.

You can give me all the jew scientific references and refutations you want but it won't change anything in my mind, boy.

Why would I give you jew scientific references and refutations? Real science is NOT jewish. Scientific refutations are NOT jewish either. Sorry to say this, Steve, but really -- your point of view on this topic reminds me a little of the nigger's point of view re education. It's a white man's thaaang. The scientific study of evolution, you seem to be saying, is a jew thaaaaang.

No it isn't. The niggers were right. It's a White man's thing.

But hey. Skip the thread, if you feel your creationist convictions threatened by evolutionary ideas.

Never be afraid of the truth, Steve. Aryan civilization only happened because Aryan men were not afraid to pursue truth wherever it led them. It led them to the highest culture ever created, Western Civilization.

ONLY the White Race is -- genetically in my opinion -- unafraid of the truth and willing to go where the truth leads him. It's the secret of our success. The Race of Truth.

There is more in heaven and earth than dreamt in your philosophy Devere...

Science is over-rated for answering the BIG questions. We gather information from our surroundings through our senses. This information is then processed and we create a world in our 'mind'. The sensory information is useless unless the ability to uitilise it is inherent. Kant took these a priori forms of knowledge to be time, space and causality. These are the things we help bring into the equation in order to establish the world in our head.

When we get to fundamental forces we are at a loss to explain them. What is gravity? If we eventually can describe gravity it will be in terms of some new esoteric force. In the end there is always that which cannot be explained. As it is, because we rely on sensory date in order to create the world around us; we can never know a thing for what "it is in itself".

This is the problem of living in a subject/object state. Never mistake the finger pointing at the moon for the moon. Yeah *groovying and nodding head...*

So what is the mechanism for evolution? No one has discovered it yet. It remains some occult action or force. Reason can only explain so much. Beyond that it is lost.

Schopenhauer's "The Four-Fold Root of the Principle of Sufficent Reason" is still a timely reminder of the limits imposed upon our reasoning power. "Know thyself," but then you become object for the reason. What however are you as subject? Yeah man, as the Waterboys sang it, the whole of the moon.

There is more in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy Devere...

I believe so. I believe there are realms of reality beyond the reach of science -- at least for the present.

Look up into a cloudless citylightless moonless black night. What you see there twinkling is what science describes and, as far as it can, explains. The physical universe. And we -- a temporary speck somewhere in it.

There are laws that the entire vast universe throughout all time MUST operate within, cannot break. There is dependability in that, there is predictability in that, there is comfort in that, there is beauty in that -- there is God in that.

Miracles.

There are no miracles. A miracle is an event that takes place outside of and contrary to the laws of the universe that contain and govern that event.

Miracles outside the reality of the miracle of the universe are impossible. If Christ really raised Lazarus and himself from the dead, that would NOT be a miracle. It would be an indication of laws or aspects of laws science had not yet incorporated into its explained realities.

No legitimate evidence whatsoever exists of God's hand having reached back into the universe after he created it -- to fiddle, to intervene, to do some more creating. For him to do so would be for him to abrogate and defile his own laws, to make them meaningless and undependable. He hasn't done so. He has had no need to do so. The universe and its laws are sufficient unto themselves. His universe's laws are utterly dependable, cannot and have not been broken. White science seeks only to uncover and describe and explain those laws.

The realm of the soul is gradually coming within the sight and understanding of science. If there are truly realms of reality beyond the physical (I believe there are), then they are part of reality and will increasingly come within the reach of science to help us see and understand.

No legitimate evidence whatsoever exists of God's hand having reached back into the universe after he created it -- to fiddle, to intervene, to do some more creating. For him to do so would be for him to abrogate and defile his own laws, to make them meaningless. He hasn't done so.

Devere,

Do you realize that is the base definition of Jewish Kabalism ?

And if that is correct then there is no moral code nor retribution for what we do.

If we have no obligation to act in certain ways then in reality the Kabalistic stance of "if it feels good, do it" should be the order of the day, shouldn't it ?

Why should any base act be avoided if there is no God ?

Dang, looks like Madonna was right after all...

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Devere,
Do you realise that is the base definition of Jewish Kabalism ?

wotz the diff'?
jewz acted like jewz even in Old Testament times when, supposedly, they DID believe in some form of monotheism!
the behaviour of an ethnic group springs directly from its genetic composition......thus: the behaviour of jews will always be vile because jews are vile per se!
(wouldn't matter wht they did or didn't believe....their 'Cabbalism' simply gives them a smidge more justification is all!)

And, if that is correct, then there is no moral code nor retribution for what we do

sure there is...there are Nature's Eternal Lessons: like for instance: the society that does not hallow and encourage the family unit above all will disintegrate......if you engage in homo-sexual practices, you will suffer a painful and agonising death.....if you steal from yr racial neighbour, the stability of the racial unit will be effected....if you miscegnate: your 'race traitor' actions will effect future generations of yr children and yr race's children....white people had their own moral codes long before the jews or their twaddle appeared on the scene.....in effect: the correct moral code for the White Race is: the New Golden Rule: that which is good for the White Race is the ultimate virtue, that which is bad for the White Race is the ultimate evil!

If we have no obligation to act in certain ways then, in reality, the Kabalistic stance of "if it feels good, do it" should be the order of the day, shouldn't it ?

the White Race DOES have obligations to act in certain ways: those obligations are: the debt we owe our ancestors, the avenging of the hideous out-rages committed against our race over the last 100yrs, the future we owe our children and our grand-children. These obligations are the same that every species on the planet has to its ancestors and off-spring! And, if we don't address those obligations, we have to learn Nature's hardest lesson: extinction!

Why should any base act be avoided if there is no God ?
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what 'God' are we talking abt here?
the 'jew god' foisted on the white race?
the god of the white race?
the god of the niggaz?
the god of the spics?
'men' are NOT EQUAL...therefore: they cannot be judged equally!
the only 'base acts' are those which violate The New Golden Rule(see abv!)

*C-Stoff*: where are u 'coming from'.......?.......are you SURE you are a White Nationalist?........doesn't sound like it TO ME!
not for me to judge: but: perhaps you should re-consider what yr doin' on this forum?

(*an aside*: re: the 'evolution issue'.....science will ultimately determine whether or not Darwinism 'holds water'..but the standard 'argument' trotted out by vrs jd-xian groups that Darwinism under-mines morals is bogus...'evolution' has been taught to school-children now for well over 100yrs....the current decline in 'morality' is NOT due to the teaching or not teaching of this esoteric theory but to the fckn JEWz......look no further than THAT!)

(jimbo!)

Devere,

Do you realize that is the base definition of Jewish Kabalism ?

And if that is correct then there is no moral code nor retribution for what we do.

If we have no obligation to act in certain ways then in reality the Kabalistic stance of "if it feels good, do it" should be the order of the day, shouldn't it ?

Why should any base act be avoided if there is no God ?

Dang, looks like Madonna was right after all...

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I know nothing about kabalism. Since it's jewish, I suspect it's bullshit and irrelevant to our discussion. If a non-supernatural description of the universe is kabalism -- then you're saying that White Science is kabalism. And, without knowing anything about kabalism, I can assure you that kabalism is NOT science.

But...

Do we live in a moral universe? Interesting question.

We live in an ordered universe. There is order. There is form. I see no evidence that the physical universe, in and of itself, follows a moral code. Good and evil are utterly irrelevant to 99.999% of the universe. When a tiger kills a buffalo, morality has nothing to do with it -- and yet murder has been committed. When a star explodes, its planetary system is destroyed -- even if inhabited by the most morally good intelligent life in the universe.

However, intelligent humans -- because and to the extent that they possess understanding and conscious free will -- live lives immersed in moral decisions, decisions of good and evil. Humans appear utterly free to pursue either good or evil. Neither the amoral universe itself, nor a moral force outside of the universe (your view of God) -- intervenes to punish evil and reward good. Evil often wins on earth. Evil, in the form of jews, has been winning and winning big for thousands of years.

Moral codes are created or not created by human beings -- and only human beings. Hopefully, those codes are in alignment with good, rather than evil.

Is there absolute good and evil? All good and evil acts are so relative to their context. If you shoot a policeman, that may be an evil act or a good act, depending on the context -- on who you are, who he is, why you shot him, and so forth. However, there do appear to be good and evil standards. Good is fair, just, compassionate, understanding, and so on. Evil the opposite.

Where do these moral standards come from? God? Perhaps. If so, he doesn't demand we follow them and he doesn't dole out punishment or reward based on them. There may be some sort of natural consequence in the after life. A hell is unlikely. But learning lessons again and again until really learned via reincarnation is more likely, in my opinion.

The universe may be amoral -- while we live, or try to live, our lives according to moral laws or principles. Science seeks to describe the amoral universe. Human morality or lack thereof is outside its purview. Kabalism has nothing to do with it.

wotz the diff'?
jewz acted like jewz even in Old Testament times when, supposedly, they DID believe in some form of monotheism!
the behaviour of an ethnic group springs directly from its genetic composition......thus: the behaviour of jews will always be vile because jews are vile per se!
(wouldn't matter wht they did or didn't believe....their 'Cabbalism' simply gives them a smidge more justification is all!)

sure there is...there are Nature's Eternal Lessons: like for instance: the society that does not hallow and encourage the family unit above all will disintegrate......if you engage in homo-sexual practices, you will suffer a painful and agonising death.....if you steal from yr racial neighbour, the stability of the racial unit will be effected....if you miscegnate: your 'race traitor' actions will effect future generations of yr children and yr race's children....white people had their own moral codes long before the jews or their twaddle appeared on the scene.....in effect: the correct moral code for the White Race is: the New Golden Rule: that which is good for the White Race is the ultimate virtue, that which is bad for the White Race is the ultimate evil!

the White Race DOES have obligations to act in certain ways: those obligations are: the debt we owe our ancestors, the avenging of the hideous out-rages committed against our race over the last 100yrs, the future we owe our children and our grand-children. These obligations are the same that every species on the planet has to its ancestors and off-spring! And, if we don't address those obligations, we have to learn Nature's hardest lesson: extinction!

what 'God' are we talking abt here?
the 'jew god' foisted on the white race?
the god of the white race?
the god of the niggaz?
the god of the spics?
'men' are NOT EQUAL...therefore: they cannot be judged equally!
the only 'base acts' are those which violate The New Golden Rule(see abv!)

*C-Stoff*: where are u 'coming from'.......?.......are you SURE you are a White Nationalist?........doesn't sound like it TO ME!
not for me to judge: but: perhaps you should re-consider what yr doin' on this forum?

(*an aside*: re: the 'evolution issue'.....science will ultimately determine whether or not Darwinism 'holds water'..but the standard 'argument' trotted out by vrs jd-xian groups that Darwinism under-mines morals is bogus...'evolution' has been taught to school-children now for well over 100yrs....the current decline in 'morality' is NOT due to the teaching or not teaching of this esoteric theory but to the fckn JEWz......look no further than THAT!)

(jimbo!)

You raise a most interesting point, Jimbo. I believe, as I've stated in my prior post, that human beings create the moral codes we try to live within or without -- God does not intervene within this life or this universe to punish or reward. However, as you imply, nature doles out natural consequences for actions. Race-mixing is genocidal and dysgenic for the White Race. Therefore, it is evil. This is the ultimate moral touchstone of good and evil for the White race. That which benefits the White race is good; that which harms it is evil.

The consequences themselves can be explained and understood through science. Thus, the evolutionary consequences of race-mixing can be best explained and understood by evolutionary science. This understanding helps us determine which acts are good and which evil -- for us. The universe doesn't itself care whether good or evil wins. It only requires its laws are followed. Thus, although the universe's laws are not themselves moral, nature's consequences can punish or reward actions according to the dictates of universal physical laws. And we, as humans, can define those consequences as good or bad and create our code of morality accordingly. Thus, that which works against the interests of the nigger or jew race/people may be beneficial for the White race -- and should, therefore, from our point of view, be judged morally good. However, there may be moral codes beyond what is beneficial to our own race to consider though -- compassion toward other non-human or sub-human life, for instance.

Anyway, much of this is beyond the reach of and irrelevant to science -- however, some of it is definitely affected by scientific understanding.

I know nothing about kabalism. Since it's jewish, I suspect it's bullshit and irrelevant to our discussion. If a non-supernatural description of the universe is kabalism -- then you're saying that White Science is kabalism. And, without knowing anything about kabalism, I can assure you that kabalism is NOT science.

Kabalism, the Talmud, the Torah are things we need to be familiar with to know the enemy.

You cannot effectively fight the enemy if you know nothing about them.

The Kaballah teaches that God (God defined as an unknowable quantity) created the universe and then moved on without further interaction with his creation.

This is basically the same thing you say here:

No legitimate evidence whatsoever exists of God's hand having reached back into the universe after he created it -- to fiddle, to intervene, to do some more creating.

If there is no reason to follow a moral code then we are reduced to the animal state and our instincts guide our morality.

The base instinct of humanity is to do the easiest and most pleasurable thing, the path of least resistance, and isn't that almost always the amoral path ?

If humanity had fallen back on instinct, instead of producing a moral code based on his belief in God, where would we be today ?

The Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek and Roman empires were filled with debauchery of any imaginable sort and while there was great scientific progress in those cultures they all ended in destruction.

After the dark ages man began to scientifically progress again but the entirety of the civilized world was running on the moral codes set forth in Christianity, codes that held society together and kept neighbors civil.

If we remove those moral codes and run on instinct we can see the result:

In the last 50 years great scientific progress has been made but our society is rapidly becoming uncivilized and animalistic because the non-religious "if it feels good do it because there is no God to punish you" mentality is being propagated by the world of gadgets and Talmudvision.

Even if there is no "God", is the animalistic thing we call "mankind" ready for a world where there is no punishment for amoral acts ?

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However, there may be moral codes beyond what is beneficial to our own race to consider though -- compassion toward other non-human or sub-human life, for instance.

Anyway, much of this is beyond the reach of and irrelevant to science -- however, some of it is definitely affected by scientific understanding

AFA i can tell: white people have always been compassionate to lower life forms(@ least: much more compassionate than non-whites have ever been!).....the current pre-dominance of whites in vrs animal protection and ecological societies demonstrates this....i would argue that this is because of the White Race's inherent altruism....this can be both a curse and a blessing.....a curse when applied to non-white races but a blessing when there is no non-white 'barrier' between us and Nature!

the inter-relatedness of life is now an accepted tenet of science:
'open slather' farming practices can cause wide-spread erosion which has a 'snow-ball' effect on many things....such as: the water table and rising salinity...the destruction of rain-forests can effect the oxygen level in Earth's atmosphere(and deprive us of valuable medicines and herbs)....the wide-spread use of toxic chemicals in industry and/or agriculture harms the environment AND us.....the removal/extinction of one species from a particular environment(exmpl: birds....who spread seeds) can, like waves in a pond, cause further ill-effects...like: certain trees and flowers die out.....meaning less bees to pollinate crops.

i hesitate to invoke the 'Giaia' concept but it does possess a certain validity........it is not too far-fetched to compare the Earth to a giant organism....the harming of one part of which(whether fauna or flora) harms another part and, ultimately, us.

It seems that, again, white people are first and foremost in the promotion and under-standing of this and, indeed, the only ones that really care.

Other races seem only interested in exploiting Nature for their own short-term gains. Consequently, all Nature suffers! It seems that the White Race is the only 'higher species' that 'fits in' to any degree with Nature's scheme.....is Nature trying to tell us something or simply stating the obvious?!?

(jimbo!)

Talmudvision

heh heh

I think the biggest problem for evolution remains "where did all the monkey people go?" Really, Devere, what is your opinion on the missing linx? Think they just haven't really been looking very hard for the past 100 years?

The "monkey people" would have been Ardipithecus, Orrorin, Kenyapithecus, Homo habilis, and species like that.

'Missing link' hasn't been a term actually used in science since around the turn of the previous century. These days it's a media/pop culture term. 'Missing Link' is about as likely to show up these days in a scientific paper as terms like "crunk," "Britney" or "K-Fed."

Where did all the snakes with legs go? Check the rear end of a boa constrictor sometime.