If you've ever been to a zoo and watched the gorillas for a length of time, you'd have seen some pretty nasty behavior by human standards. Throwing feces, male aggression against females, etc. But they are magnificent animals if you take them for what they are. The most fascinating part being how much they remind us of ourselves. Now look at niggers, niggers are far superior to gorillas. Niggers can mimic human speech and other human behaviors, whereas a chimp can barely sign.

All the vitriolic hate for these animals is sorely misplaced. The hate belongs squarely on Whites - especially christians - and of course, our good friends the jews.

We're agreed on this one. I don't feel a general hatred towards niggers. I know they can't help being what they are. I sure hate our being locked in the same cage with them though.

Now (at last) you've made a good point -- assuming I understand your point. Niggers on their own -- unaided by our sanitation and cities and medication and schooling -- living as simple aboriginal humanish animals -- would be fine and even rather interesting ("fascinating and beautiful creations of nature" might be overstating it). Nature without White aid (plus black aids) would keep their population pared to a million or so. No problema. Then we could confine them to an African national park in Uganda, while we take over and save the rest of Africa and turn it into another wonderful White civilization.

(Just a brief and little daydream.)

I say this as a little daydream. BUT this really is what we should do with niggers, if we ever get the upper hand on the jew. Probably turn all of Uganda into a national park for the variously evolved great apes, including niggers.

I say this as a little daydream. BUT this really is what we should do with niggers, if we ever get the upper hand on the jew. Probably turn all of Uganda into a national park for the variously evolved great apes, including niggers.

Actually, niggers are an excellent currently existing example of transitional species evolution -- half way between the chimp and us. In another million years, given a bottleneck event, such as being forced to live in the U.S. without us, they might become White modern humans (by today's standards anyway -- not the standards of one million years from now, if there are any modern humans left after the present evolutionary bottleneck).

Your ignorance of evolution is showing. It happened in tiny steps over a 3.5 BILLION year period. The mechanism was survival of the best adapted. A number of different shots at vision were taken -- as is evidenced by fish eyes, insect eyes, reptilian eyes, mammalian eyes. Some animals have reversed this evolutionary process and are losing their eyesight: moles, for example.

You didn't answer my question. Where specifically do you differ from me in my one paragraph description given in my last post? Spell it out.

Seems I missed this response. So, you are saying that all the parts of this very complex organ just suddenly appeared, all at once, and was passed from multiple breeding pairs. Really? You believe that? Or, are you saying that in this one case, an amazingly beneficial mutation occurred and although the parts were mutated in over thousands of years, Natural Selection never culled these useless parts over those thousands or millions of years of evolution? You believe that? Do you at least admit that this is a problem for evolution?

If a species is going to survive, it has to evolve, or devolve.
I remember a good bet some of the guys I used to work with had, back in my old lab days. It all started with fishing lures, and fishing.

One of the guys said, fish don't see color, you do. That's a billion dollar industry, and they are selling you, the fisherman.

One of the guys said, well the why do Northern hit on Red Devils, and not Rapalas. It got real interesting after that.

We all went nuts over this ,cause they are fish, as it turned out, fish are monochromatic(they only see one color). some fish have no vision at all, the deep water fish, it's dark down there, but they have evolved a very good sonar system, to make up for the loss of vision. There is only one fish out there that can distinguish color, and believe it or not, it's the common goldfish/ catfish, how wierd is that?

Your gonna tell me this is all creationism. I still haven't seen the movie your espousing it. I will check it out.

I do believe in evolution.

Here's another example, more modern day. Let's take a look at the automobile, it started out as a humble project, that the horses could easily out run, that was only a little over a 100 years ago. Today you can go into a dealership and buy a new Z-06 with 505hp, or an M-5 with 505 hp. A lot of people would say that's progress, but no, it's evolving, or evolution.

Seems I missed this response. So, you are saying that all the parts of this very complex organ just suddenly appeared, all at once, and was passed from multiple breeding pairs. Really? You believe that? Or, are you saying that in this one case, an amazingly beneficial mutation occurred and although the parts were mutated in over thousands of years, Natural Selection never culled these useless parts over those thousands or millions of years of evolution? You believe that? Do you at least admit that this is a problem for evolution?

There are a number of organs and abilities that, simply looking at the finished result now, three and a half billion years after the fact, seem such a fantastic evolvement as to seem miraculous: vision, fish evolving into land animals and breathing air, human intelligence, birds flying. And yet, we must remember how long a million years is: a thousand thousand years. Think about that time period. Think how long even one thousand years is -- now a thousand thousand years. Vision was almost certainly developed over a BILLION year time period: a thousand thousand thousand years. This is an incomprehensible period of time to a being whose physical life lasts about 75 years. A lot of things can happen over a billion years -- including the evolution of sight -- from simple rudimentary vision that can only see light and dark to vision that can only see movement to more complex black and white two dimensional vision to black and white three dimensional vision to color three dimensional vision, each step up taking a couple of hundred million years.

I think evolution is sufficient answer, even for vision. Think of the competitive survival advantage to living things that a creature which can only see movement would have over creatures which can see nothing at all. Once it happened to one species, it would have spread like wildfire.

For some of the other, non-soft-tissue, miraculous developments, there is actually quite good fossil evidence: fish to land/air breathing animals, non-flying to flying animals, intelligence based on brain-case size and tool fossils. Indeed, there are currently fish making the transition to land animals right now or which started to make the transition to amphibians and got stuck half way: one such is the lung fish -- http://www.nativefish.asn.au/lungfish.html

Or fish who are NOW evolving the ability to walk and live on land, such as the fearsome snake-fish: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/07/0724_020725_wiresnakehead.html

Tiny tiny steps of a combination of genetic drift and natural selection and sexual selection and mutations.

Seems I missed this response. So, you are saying that all the parts of this very complex organ just suddenly appeared, all at once, and was passed from multiple breeding pairs. Really? You believe that? Or, are you saying that in this one case, an amazingly beneficial mutation occurred and although the parts were mutated in over thousands of years, Natural Selection never culled these useless parts over those thousands or millions of years of evolution? You believe that? Do you at least admit that this is a problem for evolution?

There are a number of organs and abilities that, simply looking at the finished result now, three and a half billion years after the fact, seem such a fantastic evolvement as to seem miraculous: vision, fish evolving into land animals and breathing air, human intelligence, birds flying. And yet, we must remember how long a million years is: a thousand thousand years. Think how long even one thousand years is. Now imagine a thousand thousand years -- and that's only ONE MILLION years. Vision was almost certainly developed over a BILLION year time period: a thousand thousand thousand years. This is an incomprehensible period of time to a being whose physical life lasts about 75 years. A lot of things can happen over a billion years -- including the evolution of sight -- from simple rudimentary vision that can only see light and dark to vision that can only see movement to more complex black and white two dimensional vision to black and white three dimensional vision to color three dimensional vision, each step up taking a couple of hundred million years.

I think evolution is sufficient answer, even for vision. Think of the competitive survival advantage to living things that a creature which can only see movement would have over creatures which can see nothing at all. Such simple vision would have spread like wildfire.

For some of the other, non-soft-tissue, miraculous developments, there is actually quite good fossil evidence: fish to land/air breathing animals, non-flying to flying animals, intelligence based on brain-case size and tool fossils. Indeed, there are currently fish making the transition to land animals right now or which started to make the transition to amphibians and got stuck half way: one such is the lung fish -- http://www.nativefish.asn.au/lungfish.html

Or fish who are NOW evolving the ability to walk and live on land, such as the fearsome snakehead fish: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/07/0724_020725_wiresnakehead.html

Tiny tiny steps of a combination of genetic drift and natural selection and sexual selection and mutations -- over VERY long periods of time.

Devere, these creation guys are toast. I just finished watching the movie. It turns out, to be a movie of mental masturbation, by a bunch of psuedo scientists, that argue about amino acids, and proteins, vs DNA.

They are missing the point, that all life comes from the Hydrogen, and Carbon atoms, and everything we know in nature, builds on that. There are no exceptions.

There is no intelligent design, except the design of need, in nature, that compels, evolution to happen. Both Intelligent Design, and Evolution are one and the same.
This just shows how much we need to learn, and I'm a firm believer in science.

Devere, these creation guys are toast. I just finished watching the movie. It turns out, to be a movie of mental masturbation, by a bunch of psuedo scientists, that argue about amino acids, and proteins, vs DNA.

I suspected as much. What could they really say? All they can do is package "miracles" better. The only miracle is the universe and its laws, its order, its evolution from simplicity to complexity, unliving to life, non-intelligence to intelligence. Any actual miracle -- an event outside of the laws of the universe -- would contradict and nullify the order of the universe and make it all meaningless. Any event or object or reality that appears miraculous only confirms the miraculousness of the invariable laws and design of the universe. My guess, as I've said many times, is that there was or is an Intelligent Designer -- he created the inception of a universe that is completely self-contained and self-sufficient and ever-evolving, and He hasn't intervened since and hasn't needed to.

They are missing the point, that all life comes from the Hydrogen, and Carbon atoms, and everything we know in nature, builds on that. There are no exceptions.

Yes. No exceptions. There are and can be no exceptions to the physical laws of the universe.

There is no intelligent design, except the design of need, in nature, that compels, evolution to happen. Both Intelligent Design, and Evolution are one and the same.

Yes, evolution is intelligent design. But we may differ re there being Intelligent Design in an initiating sense. There was/is an initial Intelligent Designer -- because that's the only rational explanation for there being anything.

This just shows how much we need to learn, and I'm a firm believer in science.

Science is rational explanation and objective search for truth. Rationality is the only sound foundation for civilization. Irrationality is what the jews indoctrinate our people with -- and is what allows the jews to control us. For example, "Diversity is our strength" is an irrational statement. Mixing inferior with superior does not equal higher but, rationally, only lower. How could it be otherwise? "Tolerance is our highest attitude" is an irrational statement. Tolerating uncivilized, degenerating behavior and the people who so act can only be harmful, not helpful, to civilization. "God created human beings" is an irrational statement. There is absolutely no evidence of his having done so and no explanation for how he did it and no need for him to have done it. Moreover, did God create each variety (race) of the human species (Whites, niggers, NE Asians, Australian aborigines) or the species? And every variety of every species on earth, from viruses to whales? That's a lot of creating. You'd think there would be objective evidence of the creation process. There is none. Since variation within species is a continuum, what is it exactly that God created? Where did he draw the arbitrary lines, when there are often no clear natural or permanent demarcations between species, let alone within species. The creationist claim, actually, is that he created the species, not the varieties (new ones of which appear constantly). Did he create the species whole, INCLUDING all the varieties? Can the varieties vary after the day of creation? They better be allowed to since they do. And if variety continue to vary, they will inevitably evolve into new species. Will this new species now be attributed to God as his creation? No. Evolution is the only rational explanation, one we can observe happening before our eyes.

Intelligence is a function of the brain. Where is the brain of this intelligent designer? Funnily enough you can take some cells from a person and keep them alive. Are they intelligent? No. Jellyfish don't have brains, and funnily enough they don't build cars. But then again I suppose they never had a need for them. Neither do trees, yet they know which way is up. The ancients called it mind, not intelligence. Others have called it will. Others horseshit.

I am going to link this thread to a thread started on the Opposition Forum re this thread and topic: http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=40587

Fascinating article about evolution in action. Lions, marooned on an island with giant buffalo, evolving in short 15 years to become twice as large and as strong as mainland lions and becoming expert swimmers and herders of buffaloes. Fascinating evidence of the truth of evolution. These lions were NOT just CREATED by God. They evolved and are evolving.

There's also a tragic but interesting twist: sabotage of these magnificent lions from within. What effect will this saboteur have on the evolution of these new cats?

The superlions marooned on an island
By ZOE BRENNAN, Daily Mail

Marooned on an island, this group of lions should have died out. Instead, in an evolutionary twist, they've learned to swim and become strong enough to tackle their only prey... giant buffalo
Fearless, ferocious and mightier than the world has ever seen, this is the new breed of super-lion.

Only one species of prey holds its attention: the buffalo — and in order to bring its powerful foe to the ground, it will take to deep water, use sophisticated hunting techniques and then silence the gigantic beast with a single swipe of a savage paw.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=392292&in_page_id=1766&in_a_source=&ito=1490#

What is the relevance of this lion evolution story to us? I think it is obvious, is it not?

While we can't count on God to save us, per se -- might one of the laws of the universe play a pivotal role in our eventual survival: the "law" of evolution? The possibility exists of our people finding a genetic way out of our jew death trap, out of this jew artificial genetic bottleneck event that is upon us -- but perhaps not until our backs are truly against the wall.

One thing is for sure, the Whites who survive this jew bottleneck we have been struggling with for over 2,000 years -- will be a different kind of White folk. A White race re-proven and re-forged in evolution's fire. (Not a newly created race, a newly evolved race or even species.) If we survive...

Yep, they have evolved in the 15 years since they were marooned. Try change in dietry habits and habitat instead.