Note: Kaminski's discovery of Atwill's Caesar's Messiah is good news. I read it about a year ago with great trepidation -- the "Flavian Jesus" theory has been around for ages. Atwill himself urges caution... then he puts 2 and 2 together in a way that makes the case air-tight. For a real understanding of the sub-jewish cult called "Christianity", Atwill is a must. You'll never buy the fraud again once you realize what an ugly joke it really is. -- FJ.
The sucker punch
Were both Christians and Muslims
created as punching bags
for clandestine Jewish rule?
By John Kaminski
... the Flavian emperors invented the character of Jesus to deceive the
Jews into worshipping a false messiah.
— Joseph Atwill
A time is coming to men when he who adheres to his religion will be
like one who seizes live coals."
— Muhammad, Tirmidhi Hadith 5367
'Turn the other cheek' my ass! When somebody steals something from me, I'm going to do two things. I'm going to get it back, and I'm going to
make sure he doesn't steal it again.
Thus, in contemplating the poisonous gap between public crimes
deceitfully reported by robot journalists as positive steps for freedom
— and what is really going on in the world that leaves so many people
bleeding and poisoned — you owe it to yourself to examine the major
rules you learned as a child which you now follow in your presumably
satisfying adult life.
'Turn the other cheek' is probably the main offender, but it is
followed closely by 'it's better to give than receive' and shortly
thereafter by 'render unto Caesar what is Caesar's!' All of these
statements are subliminal cues to be a victim, and to give up what is
rightfully yours without a fight, particularly if someone is trying to
steal from you.
Buddha advised taking nothing on faith. Thomas Jefferson thought God wanted us to use our brains.
A new area of thought in my religious history studies brought me to
Joseph Atwill's little known classic, "Caesar's Messiah," which
describes a political trick of stupendous magnitude. Atwill describes
"texts deliberately created to trick Messianic Jews into worshipping
the Roman Emperor 'in disguise'."
Atwill insists the so-called Christian Gospels are NOT accounts of a
historically Jewish Jesus compiled by his followers 60 years after his
death. (Notice how he slips in “Jewish Jesus.”)
After centuries of Jewish slaughter culminating in the Jewish War in 70
A.D., Roman postwar propaganda sought to eradicate the Jewish threat by creating a literary equivalent to the Torah, according to Atwill.
Events in the Bible correlate to events involving Julius Caesar in
Gaul.
Or as Atwill declaims forthrightly: To replace the Torah, then, the
Romans created a literary equivalent, the gospel of Matthew (and
shortly thereafter the Hellenistic and Roman versions known as Luke and
Mark).
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/summary.html
Which brings us to the research of Francisco Carotta, who insists that
the Jesus figure venerated by billions over the course of time was
really a composite model based on none other than Divine Julius, the
much-talked-about Roman emperor who brought an end to the republic
phase of the empire’s history.
Carotta writes:
Julius Caesar, son of Venus and founder of the Roman Empire, was
elevated to the status of Imperial God, Divus Julius, after his violent
death. The cult that surrounded him dissolved as Christianity surfaced.
A cult surrounding Jesus Christ, son of God and originator of
Christianity, appeared during the second century. Early historians,
however, never mentioned Jesus and even now there is no actual proof of his existence.
On the one hand, an actual historical figure missing his cult, on the
other, a cult missing its actual historical figure: intriguing mirror
images.
The question that still dogs us down through the ages is this. Is the
research of Atwill and Carotta just more of the same Jewish attempt to
subvert the Catholic church and the true Christian faith for the
purpose of denigrating and subverting the admirable messages of Jesus
that so many people base their lives upon? Or, is it really true that
some nefariously clever group of clandestine operatives created this
divine mythos to keep us in mental chains and therefore more
controllable?
Sorry to leave you hanging, but I have to do more research, because I
don’t know the answer and I bid you to help me consider the true
dimensions of this dilemma.
What I am really trying to illuminate is the effect of religious
propaganda on people’s lives that really has nothing to do with an
actual supreme deity, but more with political control.
And for my money, nowhere is this phenomenon demonstrated more clearly than in the description by popular theology whistleblower Charles
Carlson on the effect that a man named Cyrus Scofield has had on public
Western thought.
Carlson writes:
The Scofield Reference Bible was not to be just another translation,
subverting minor passages a little at a time. No, Scofield produced a
revolutionary book that radically changed the context of the King James
Version. It was designed to create a subculture around a new worship
icon, the modern State of Israel, a state that did not yet exist, but
which was already on the drawing boards of the committed, well-funded
authors of World Zionism.
One of the very few American clerics speaking out about current U.S.
atrocities around the world, Carlson explains: “Scofield imitated a
chain of past heretics and rapturists, most of whose credibility
fizzled over their faulty end times prophesies.
His mentor was one John Nelson Darby from Scotland, who was associated with the Plymouth Brethren and who made no less than six evangelical
trips to the US selling what is today called "Darbyism." It is from
Darby that Scofield is thought to have learned his Christian Zionist
theology, which he later planted in the footnotes of the Scofield
Reference Bible.
The Oxford University Press owned "The Scofield Reference Bible" from
the beginning, as indicated by its copyright, and Scofield stated he
received handsome royalties from Oxford. Oxford's advertisers and
promoters succeeded in making Scofield's bible, with its Christian
Zionist footnotes, a standard for interpreting scripture in
Judeo-Christian churches, seminaries, and Bible study groups. It has
been published in at least four editions since its introduction in 1908
and remains one of the largest selling Bibles ever.
And what does this really mean to us today? Carlson reveals a very
interesting connection:
Among more traditional churches that encourage, and in some cases
recommend, the use of the Scofield Reference Bible is the huge Southern
Baptist Convention of America, whose capture is World Zionism's
crowning achievement. Our report on Southern Baptist Zionism, is
titled "The Cause of the Conflict: Fixing Blame.
So how do we know what we’re actually seeing? How do we identify this
deliberate poisoning through interpolation and subtle footnotes in the
supposedly holiest book on the planet? Carlson shows us.
Scofield, whose work is largely believed to be the product of Darby and
others, wisely chose not to change the text of the King James Edition.
Instead, he added hundreds of easy-to-read footnotes at the bottom of
about half of the pages, and as the Old English grammar of the KJE
becomes increasingly difficult for progressive generations of readers,
students become increasingly dependent on the modern language
footnotes.
Scofield was not a Bible scholar, Carlson writes, but an opportunist, a
political animal with the charm and talent. Scofield's background
reveals a criminal history, a deserted wife, a wrecked family, and a
penchant for self-serving lies, a controllable man capable of carrying
the secret to his grave. (See “The Incredible Scofield and His Book” by
Joseph M. Canfield).
Carlson, who hosts one of the great clearinghouses of literature on
Jewish perfidy, http://whtt.org/ concludes:
It is no exaggeration to say that the 1967 Oxford 4th Edition deifies —
makes a God of — the State of Israel, a state that did not even exist
when Scofield wrote the original footnotes in 1908. This writer
believes that, had it not been for misguided anti-Arab race hatred
promoted by Christian Zionist leaders in America, neither the Gulf War
nor the Israeli war against the Palestinians would have occurred, and a
million or more people who have perished would be alive today.
What makes Carlson say this? Listen just a bit longer.
"FOR A NATION TO COMMIT THE SIN OF ANTI-SEMITISM BRINGS INEVITABLE JUDGMENT." (page 19-20, footnote (3) to Genesis 12:3.) (our emphasis added)
Put that Scofield bible quote in your pipe and smoke it!
This statement sounds like something from Ariel Sharon, or the Chief
Rabbi in Tel Aviv, or Theodore Herzl, the founder of Modern Zionism.
But these exact words are found between the covers of the 1967 Edition
of the Oxford Bible that is followed by millions of American
churchgoers and students and is used by their leaders as a source for
their preaching and teaching.
This essay has been a sucker punch. And chances are extremely high,
especially if you’re a Christian evangelical shabbez goi like an
Episcopalian or a Pentacostal still pretending to everyone that you
have a conscience, then you’ve just been nailed .... right in your
soul, in fact.
Although judging by your lack of personal integrity about your own
beliefs, you may not realize it. You may never.
Think for a moment about this dark spiritual hegemony that rules our
planet with empty platitudes and endless debauchery.
Then remember St. John’s Epistle to the Jews (I’m making this up):
“We know you’re scared because of all the vicious lies you’ve told and
all the people you have so needless and callously killed. One thing
religious people know and are always willing to forgive is simply that
you admit your faults and ask forgiveness. That’s all there really is
in this life, and knowing that makes all the difference.
“All that is required is not hurting anybody else.
“Quit fucking around. Come home. Your family’s waiting for you.
Otherwise, you’re going to hurt yourselves in a way that can’t be fixed.
“When I get re-elected I'm going to fuck the Jews" -- Jimmy Carter, 1980.
Sorry forgot link:
http://www.johnkaminski.com/suckerpunch.html
“When I get re-elected I'm going to fuck the Jews" -- Jimmy Carter, 1980.
http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23214
95% of the Christian organizations are tools today of the N.W.O. but I feel many White Christian's are upset at their leadership, but do not know any real history or many whole picture facts, nor will the media that they watch give them any. Couple that with decades of hate brainwashing.
Speaking of brainwashing the majority of Churches today push the lie like Tom Brokaw did that WW 2 was a good thing! Check this out.
This link for archived radio shows, check out Sept. 29th to see what Christian rebels are saying, about the results we have today because of WW 2. When something needs fixing it's best to have a variety of tools.
http://www.sfaw.org/archives/past-archives/09-2006.asp
Isn't it strange that we talk least about the things we think about most?
We cannot allow the natural passions and prejudices of other peoples
to lead our country to destruction.
-Charles A. Lindbergh
Here'ssome Old English:
Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum,
Si þin nama gehalgod.
To becume þin rice,
gewurþe ðin willa, on eorðan swa swa on heofonum.
urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us todæg,
and forgyf us ure gyltas, swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum.
and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge, ac alys us of yfele. soþlice.
Here is some of the KJV Bible:
1] Then Moab rebelled against Israel after the death of Ahab.
[2] And Ahaziah fell down through a lattice in his upper chamber that was in Samaria, and was sick: and he sent messengers, and said unto them, Go, inquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease.
[3] But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, Arise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Samaria, and say unto them, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that ye go to inquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron?
Do you see the subtle difference?
Here'ssome Old English:
<snip>
Do you see the subtle difference?
Right, my dual-language edition of Chaucer tells me somebody was not paying attention. About here:
Instead, he added hundreds of easy-to-read footnotes at the bottom of about half of the pages, and as the Old English grammar of the KJE becomes increasingly difficult for progressive generations of readers, students become increasingly dependent on the modern language footnotes.
This shouldn't be difficult to clean up. "An archaic version of Modern English" might be more accurate. The KJV was deliberately cast in this kind of verse when it came out, a not widely appreciated fact. They felt the style focused the mind on higher things. And it may have worked up till the Post-WWI era, when it became the subject of satire.
The KJV, for all it's stilted old wankerisms, beats Revised Standard for entertainment value any day of the week. Look at what C.B. DeMille did with it in The Ten Commandments. A laff riot!
“When I get re-elected I'm going to fuck the Jews" -- Jimmy Carter, 1980.
fuck christianity. flush it down the god damned toilet with the jews.
ban all religion. ban all superstition.
worship only reason.
any christians here who don't like what i'm saying: stick it up your ass.
I'm listening to Kaminski on Non-Random Thoughts right now. The October 14th. (Below it is the Paul Craig Roberts show for the 12th. Also worth it. In it, Roberts says the only way he can imagine Bush being stopped is a Stalingrad situation, where the neocons finally bite off more than they can chew and the US is checkmated. Grim stuff for an ex-Reaganite.)
Kevin Barret is guest host. I'm at the very beginning but at least the commercials are over.
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Fetzer06.html
“When I get re-elected I'm going to fuck the Jews" -- Jimmy Carter, 1980.
I'm listening to Kaminski on Non-Random Thoughts right now. The October 14th. (Below it is the Paul Craig Roberts show for the 12th. Also worth it. In it, Roberts says the only way he can imagine Bush being stopped is a Stalingrad situation, where the neocons finally bite off more than they can chew and the US is checkmated. Grim stuff for an ex-Reaganite.)
Kevin Barret is guest host. I'm at the very beginning but at least the commercials are over.
I liked Kevin on Hannity, but based on what I heard he seems to think that Kaminskis statements of the jews as being insensative makes me think that he truely has no clue because as a scholar he needs to remove all of his blinders. Then he sucks some jew cock when he discusses Barbara Boxer, etc. He might be knowledgeable about 911 but he's a complete tool when it comes to the real enemy, the jew....
I'm NOT a jew, I just play one on youtube....
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I liked Kevin on Hannity, but based on what I heard he seems to think that Kaminskis statements of the jews as being insensative makes me think that he truely has no clue because as a scholar he needs to remove all of his blinders. Then he sucks some jew cock when he discusses Barbara Boxer, etc. He might be knowledgeable about 911 but he's a complete tool when it comes to the real enemy, the jew....
I had to put it on hold but I'm just getting to some of that. Damn. Kevin started off fine.
My guess is you have to put as much time into the jew issue as somebody like JK (at LEAST that much) or the blinders are still on good and tight. JK is getting some pretty good licks in though.
On the other hand, truthseeker.com, the one that still runs Kaminski's articles, seem to be less hysterical with their disclaimers these days. I think he brought them around, I really do.
“When I get re-elected I'm going to fuck the Jews" -- Jimmy Carter, 1980.
I had to put it on hold but I'm just getting to some of that. Damn. Kevin started off fine.
My guess is you have to put as much time into the jew issue as somebody like JK (at LEAST that much) or the blinders are still on good and tight. JK is getting some pretty good licks in though.
On the other hand, truthseeker.com, the one that still runs Kaminski's articles, seem to be less hysterical with their disclaimers these days. I think he brought them around, I really do.
Franz I think your right, but any white man that converts to Islam is really not intouch with the reality of what we see going on... Based on his statements I think he's living in the world that jews portray in TV land, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kevin doesn't have a black wife, he reeks of that type of person...
I'm NOT a jew, I just play one on youtube....
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OMFG, this idiot just stated that jews gave up GOD over the Holohoax, what a fucking idiot..... Kaminski owned him and the little bitch couldn't DENY anything he stated, got pissed and pulled the plug on him... As Kaminski stated, JEWS WORK FOR THEMSELVES AND CONSIDER EVERYONE ELSE AS GOYIM....
I'm NOT a jew, I just play one on youtube....
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I'm listening to Kaminski on Non-Random Thoughts right now. The October 14th. (Below it is the Paul Craig Roberts show for the 12th. Also worth it. In it, Roberts says the only way he can imagine Bush being stopped is a Stalingrad situation, where the neocons finally bite off more than they can chew and the US is checkmated. Grim stuff for an ex-Reaganite.)
Kevin Barret is guest host. I'm at the very beginning but at least the commercials are over.
I've now listened to the recording of the show. A caller, at the very end (as it turned out), brought up the Israeli/Jew connection. Kevin said he wanted to talk about it because Kaminski had "written some questionable things in the regard to the Israelis." And then the show ended. No discussion of jews at all. Did I get a defective link?
Shit, Mark. Yeah, I just got to it.
Well, Kaminski is no stranger to getting the plug pulled on him. Kevin surprised me though, he seemed genuine. Or worse, he IS genuinly naive, which makes it worse.
Still it made Kaminski look okay, at least to me.
“When I get re-elected I'm going to fuck the Jews" -- Jimmy Carter, 1980.
OMFG, this idiot just stated that jews gave up GOD over the Holohoax, what a fucking idiot..... Kaminski owned him and the little bitch couldn't DENY anything he stated, got pissed and pulled the plug on him... As Kaminski stated, JEWS WORK FOR THEMSELVES AND CONSIDER EVERYONE ELSE AS GOYIM....
Kaminski was excellent. He tried -- and to a small extent succeeded -- in getting out the message of who the jews really are and what they're doing, in giving the jew context for 9-11. The ONLY reason Kaminski wasn't more successful is that the fucking host used a drown out with words approach to Kaminski's Truth. Kaminski was allowed 5 words for every 5,000 words by the host. Hard to get the jew-truth out under those circumstances.
But in my book Kaminski came through big time and proved himself a White Man and a White Patriot during this interview.
Well done, John Kaminski.
Kaminski was allowed 5 words for every 5,000 words by the host. Hard to get the jew-truth out under those circumstances.
Typical gatekeeper strategy. But then it was Kaminski himself who noted that the whole 911-truth movement was being infested with disinformation artists a long time ago.
Anyone see the obvious parallels between the 911 truth and WN? Both filled with provocators, criminals and loose screws. Go to a 911 meeting now and it's probably over half filled with Feds. Just like WN always has been. The dismissive articles in the mainstream media are about the same too except it's all lots newer for the 911 people.
The grass is pushing though the concrete anyway. The stuff I've been placing in the library, for instance, don't get pulled much anymore. ADL thugs pretty much banned the Brit play My Name is Rachel Corrie in America so I made sure a copy of it got on the local shelves a few months back. It's still there!
Little by little..
Note for other "quiet activists": A new edition of "My Name is Rachel Corrie" came out in September, from what I can gather it's a lower-priced version of the April edition, and it really annoys all the right people:
“When I get re-elected I'm going to fuck the Jews" -- Jimmy Carter, 1980.