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An increasing number of White Kwans are emigrating to our 40,000 year homelands: Europe and Central Asia. Some are instead emigrating to Australia and New Zealand -- both of which have few niggers, although they have growing non-white populations, thanks to the gd jew governments, and the non-whites are, as in kwa, encouraged to assault, rob, rape, and murder Whites with impunity. Nevertheless both Australia and New Zealand are islands -- muds have to travel by boat to get there. They can't simply walk en masse over a border, a la Mehiko and Mehikans.
Most of these countries, however, have disarmed their populations -- so that the people are unable to defend themselves and their families effectively against non-white attacks and unable to defend their nation against a tyrannical government. An exception is Switzerland -- which was a model for America's original right to keep and bear arms -- and still has a citizen militia, rather than a standing army. Of course, the EU is trying to outlaw armed citizenry in Switzerland now too. If someone knows the degree of freedom for Whites to keep and bear arms in Europe and Central Asia, please tell us. In Australia and New Zealand, I understand, Whites have been recently completely disarmed and aren't even allowed to carry a stick. Non-whites, of course, are permitted guns, clubs, knives -- whatever they need to attack Whites: the usual fucking shit. I imagine it's the same everywhere in the White world. However, since these are still very White nations -- those which still are very White nations -- there's not much need for weapons for purposes of self-defense (although there remains a need for armed citizen defense against growing jew governmental tyranny in all White nations). So the right to keep and bear arms is a very important consideration in this emigration decision.
Or is there a moral obligation on kwa Whites to stay and fight for the American homeland?
It's really becoming a question of whether the time has come for a strategic retreat of the White race back to our original European and Central Asian homelands.
Here's a post on AmRen by a White kwa engineer and his family on why they're moving to Germany.
I’m going to add my voice to the vast panel of others here on AR, to support the idea of emigration for whites from the US to a few European countries that have managed to stand up to the diversity madness, or at least clustering ourselves demographically into areas in the USA where whites are a solid majority— which will probably become new countries as the US falls apart from the current lunacy.
I’m a Mormon, and my wonderful wife and I have 5 fantastic kids (even when they’re turning the house into a demolition site with their antics!). But sadly, we’re not going to raise them as Americans— they’re going to grow up speaking German, as German children in the city of Koln (aka Cologne) in Germany to which we’ll be emigrating in a few years. They wouldn’t have a future in the 50 states, especially as whites decline to a minority and face the ever-greater wrath of the non-whites who surround us.
We of course accept all races/ethnicities into the LDS Mormon Church, and in my own job and community work I happily befriend and assist people of all colors. I like ethnic restaurants and some of the unique cultural celebrations of the different groups in Salt Lake City. However there’s a catch, which is obvious to everyone even if it’s unstated— our institutions in Utah and the US in general really do need a very large white majority to stay viable. The highly functioning institutions of the US are basically Western inventions by whites, and our generosity to others depends on them staying that way. If whites become a minority, then the squabbling and the affirmative action spoils system causes them to break down.
I’ve already seen this in action in many places. Even when doing something as simple as selecting schools for our kids, we had to deal with the “racial balance” fanatics in the diversity industry, who repeatedly denied us our simple requests to get our kids into the schools we sought, since this would disrupt “racial harmony” and make some schools “too white.” My kids in the US would be dealing with affirmative action madness [color="Red"] at every step in their schooling and careers, be scorned by companies, with affirmative action getting even worse with each new passing year, harming their prospects while thwarting their dreams in whatever they do.
I’ve dwelt in many once-pleasant towns and villages that have taken on a non-white majority, and it’s depressing to see the result almost without exception— failure to deliver basic municipal services, high crime, often violent anti-white resentment, gerrymandering and corruption anywhere you look. The crowding, crime and economic side effects make it tough to start and raise a family. This is why whites in the US have such sub-replacement fertility, and even we Mormons have been dropping fast in this regard. My 11-year old daughter— 11 years old— had to endure the hateful and often overtly sexual slurs of non-whites in our neighborhood and schools. My wife, who is a teacher, has come home in tears more days than I can count, being taunted and even assaulted by non-white kids who don’t have a shred of decency or respect for what’s made our country what it is.
I haven’t been to California much, though the mass exodus of many of my white friends and fellow Mormons from that state— and the stories they’ve told— tell me the place is essentially a ruined, developing country now. However, I have been to Arizona for extended time periods, and the place is horrendous. It’s been overrun so much that it now looks like a state of Mexico, complete with all the negligence and corruption that we see in a place like Tijuana. Even Utah of all places is suffering from many of the same anti-white plagues and forced-diversity initiatives.
Adding to my own anger is the way I’ve been treated as a well-trained mechanical engineer. It’s clear that the US has nothing but contempt for its own hard-working technical class these days, and engineers in particular are treated like dirt. Our earnings on the market are undermined by vast importations of medium-skilled Indians willing to work for pennies on the dollar, or offshoring to India for similar reasons. This is pervasive, and you can’t escape it anywhere in the US.
On the other hand, Germany especially in the west, south and parts of the east, has one of the fastest-growing tech sectors in the world, and if you learn German you not only have good job prospects, but you’ll actually be admired for your skills and considered a valued member of the team, as I found out on an international project years ago. Cologne (Koln) not only has a fledgling yet rapidly growing tech sector, it’s also one of Europe’s most beautiful and culturally rich cities. My wife and kids and I all feel like we’re finally taking in fresh air whenever we make trips there.
No country has all of its policies right and you’ll never have a place that you agree with 100%, but you just have to consider countries relative to each other, and Germany’s one of the best. It’s changed its immigration laws to halt the inflows of Turks to a trickle, while providing incentives to the natives to increase family size and to people of Nordic ancestry in North America and elsewhere to learn German and immigrate. (It helps to learn and practice some German before emigrating, but the German authorities are great with language classes and tutors to help you become fluent in it.) Also, there are mechanisms to help us find a great job there, especially if you’re in the computer or engineering industries. There are start-ups and entrepreneurial fervor galore, and the people really do deeply respect and value their Western heritage. I know there are many other European countries like this, but Germany is especially superb, and as a place to raise our children, it’s far preferable to the US or other places like the UK and Australia that are determined to reduce their founding white populations to minority status with their every policy. [color="Red"][He may have here answered the question of Australia and New Zealand as emigration options.]
Posted by BYU Cougar at 12:55 AM on June 10
Posted : 11/06/2006 6:48 am
Let the chicken shits run like chickens. The Jewish-Commie Plague is a worldwide problem. You can't run away from it because it is everywhere. The Jews and Bankers and Commie-swine are determined to own and rule over all of Mankind. So, either kick their asses wherever they are found or run into them somewhere else and get your own ass kicked.
America was founded by brave men and women. If the chicken shits want to run away to the mythical "someplace safe" then they are deluded. Life is a struggle. Either struggle for the right to survival or wimp away somewhere else. But I will step on the chicken shits just as surely as I will step on the Jews and Commies. To hell with all of them. Run, Chicken, run to where your head will roll. Or be a man and beat the hell out of the enemy wherever the enemy is found.
Posted : 11/06/2006 7:05 am
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Let the chicken shits run like chickens. The Jewish-Commie Plague is a worldwide problem. You can't run away from it because it is everywhere. The Jews and Bankers and Commie-swine are determined to own and rule over all of Mankind. So, either kick their asses wherever they are found or run into them somewhere else and get your own ass kicked.
America was founded by brave men and women. If the chicken shits want to run away to the mythical "someplace safe" then they are deluded. Life is a struggle. Either struggle for the right to survival or wimp away somewhere else. But I will step on the chicken shits just as surely as I will step on the Jews and Commies. To hell with all of them. Run, Chicken, run to where your head will roll. Or be a man and beat the hell out of the enemy wherever the enemy is found.
I don't think a strategic retreat equals cowardice at all. A strategic retreat is just that -- a strategy for final victory. If an area becomes indefensible because it has already been overrun by the enemy, a rational approach is to retreat and regroup in order to attack the enemy from a concentrated position of strength, rather than from a diluted position of weakness.
Posted : 11/06/2006 7:13 am
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The question is: Is America savable at this point? Many nations in Europe and Central Asia are definitely still savable. I'm not so sure about America (or perhaps even the UK or Australia or New Zealand).
I think America is probably no longer savable. However, I also believe that America may still be savable. America is not yet certainly lost. There's a small chance yet to save her. So I don't altogether disagree with your point of view, Billy Banjo. In fact, it's a close call for me. (Unfortunately, now that you've stigmatized the poll with your "chicken shit" stuff, I'm not sure we'll get a valid reading of VNNers' opinion. OTOH, I like your brave post, Billy, as usual. Still, I can see I should have made this a nameless poll -- but I can't find a way to edit it at this point.)
If I had to make the decision today (which I don't), I would come down on the side of strategic retreat to our native homelands of Europe and Eastern Europe and Russia and the other White nations of Central Asia. Once the jews have been defeated, we can, at a later time, from a position of strength and clear understanding of who we are as the White race, reconquer America and North America.
Posted : 11/06/2006 7:33 am
If anybody is interested in replicating my actions regarding this thread title, and if I know you or if someone I know well knows you, plus-- for some minimal remuneration, I will take you through the entire process. (It cost me to learn-- attornies and all. It takes time and gas to drive you to the places, to find the right apt., get you acclimated etc.)
Please. Only serious takers more or less ready to hop on the plane. Better take advantage of this opportunity before the laws change. Additionaly, it's summertime, the time to see it more comfortably, completely. I think flight from NY JFK to London are around $350 or $400 one way. It's another $120 from London.
If we lost the War Between The States, how in the world are we going to win there now?
The Kwa is a killing floor for we Whites.
Posted : 11/06/2006 7:38 am
My family and I plan to remain in the US for the moment, but are already planning our "escape hatch" by having our passports and enough money to survive on. We've chosen the Land Down Under, a country whiter than America, speaks English (an important point to us) and likes Yanks. Everyone should have an "escape hatch" planned.
Additional note: I think we're losing the Multicultural War, at least in part, because those who fight against it insist on Nazism as the solution.
Posted : 11/06/2006 7:59 am
Actually it really doesn't matter if you stay or go;
because :
If your White
you have to fight............now or later............or die
There is no "safe" haven any longer.
Nonwhites will search you out,and follow you.This is the business of ALL nonwhites-parasitic animals who feed on White enterprise; and any form of White existence anywhere on the planet.
Pick you place;and defend it.Choose wisely,your life depends on it.
I've moved all over the US; and to many other countries and found many White areas(99.9%),only to buy a house or rent an apartment;then slowly see the white pristine neighborhood or city welcome one black person to do some menial task,then just two or three more to work at a fast food location or do manual labor,then a couple of harmless Asians to open a restaurant,then a few Mexicans to pick the fruit and vegetables,then a half dozen Hindus as cheap doctors and medical attendants.
I would attend the town council meetings and tell my objections to the county officials and explain in detail all of my own previous first hand experiences with integration,diversity and acceptance over four decades in well over two dozen locations-all to no avail;as if I were trying to sell them a truck load of horse shit.
Everyone, at every location ,for over forty years; has looked at me with the same astonished,confused,disgusted look that clearly says they will NOT,can NOT understand or accept my information.
The stupidity,ignorance ,misinformation,cowardliness and idiocy regarding this matter(integration/diversity) is monumental, and well past an epidemic in US national proportions.
Posted : 11/06/2006 8:04 am
No surrender.
"The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference."
—Richard Dawkins
Posted : 11/06/2006 8:07 am
It is futile to retreat, because we no longer have any safe heaven.
America, so far, is the only country with a law specifically defending its citizens' right to free speech. It is always amusing to see how many of you imagine Europe as a sort of promised land. Well, I hate to dissapoint you but nowadays Europe is a filthy gutter of all sorts of human excrement, where the law protects only the Jew and his friends. In my country, emprisoning "haters" (of Jews) and "Holocaust Deniers" is a fully constitutional "right".
The moment you would move into Europe and hold tight to your views, you would be arrested, your fortune confiscated, your children reeducated into agitprop machineguns.
"Any man who is not attacked in the Jewish newspapers, not slandered and vilified, is no decent German and no true National Socialist." - Adolf Hitler
Posted : 11/06/2006 8:19 am
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Actually it really doesn't matter if you stay or go]It's not just a matter of safety for yourself and your family. Not by a long shot. It's a matter of moving to a White nation that has a good chance of becoming racially aware that they are White and the significance of that -- that that is worth preserving and fighting for.
And then, once there, strive to do your part to awaken your fellow Whites in that White nation. Strive, in every way you can, to convince your fellow Whites to increase their population growth, to stop non-white immigration, and to fight the jew. If we can get even one or two White nations to fully awaken racially, the awakening will spread to other White nations. It will NOT happen first in America. American Whites are too brainwashed and too engulfed in non-whiteness and anti-whiteness.
Posted : 11/06/2006 8:29 am
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I was once in sales. To be successful in sales, you have to target your sales pitch to people who are likely prospects. The first step, then, is to winnow out those people who just aren't interested or genuinely can't afford your product. It's called prospecting.
You have to find your market.
You have to pick your fights.
Same principle applies to saving the White race. Let's focus first or mostly on those nations that are most likely to awaken. Then, after they awaken, focus on the less likely, farther gone, White nations -- who, as they see other White nations becoming truly White, will be more amenable to our message, to our attempts to save them.
I think this is our best chance. I think this is what David Duke has decided too.
Posted : 11/06/2006 8:36 am
Actually, I started planning to move to Europe long before I figured out that the US was going to morph into a jew run insane asylum. I had planned to go this Spring, but for some practical reasons have posponed (my worst habit) the move for a year. I have a Ukrainian [fellow engineer] friend who has been in the US for about 10 years and now wants to take his family out of the US, but not necessarily back to the Ukraine. We have been talking and planning a lot over the last two years and, well--we'll see.
I moved to Europe when I was 23 and came back to the US when I was 26 (thanks to the US Navy). I traveled a lot, and honestly every single country, without exception, I found more pleasant and likeable than the US. After two years plus in Europe I got physically ill even contemplating moving back to the US. I went back twice, once for three months in 2000. Yeah, the cities have more muds, but Europe is still far whiter than the US. Remember, the US isn't 20% mud, it is at least 40% mud, and if truth be known, maybe approaching 50% mud. The Muslim percentage in Europe is far less than that, and I honestly think that Europeans are waking up to this, and are far likely to do something about it than Americans.
Enkidu
Hunter S. Thompson, "Big dark, coming soon"
Posted : 11/06/2006 9:26 am
I was once in sales. To be successful in sales, you have to target your sales pitch to people who are likely prospects. The first step, then, is to winnow out those people who just aren't interested or genuinely can't afford your product. It's called prospecting. You have to find your market. You have to pick your fights.
Good. I'm glad to see someone else here has a passing knowledge of marketing. I was a business major for three years before deciding accounting wasn't for me.
Same principle applies to saving the White race. Let's focus first or mostly on those nations that are most likely to awaken. Then, after they awaken, focus on the less likely, farther gone, White nations -- who, as they see other White nations becoming truly White, will be more amenable to our message, to our attempts to save them.
There are millions of white Americans who already hold racialist attitudes to some degree. Why not concentrate on getting people who already agree with us, our fellow citizens, organized and involved in racialist activities?
I think this is our best chance. I think this is what David Duke has decided too.
If David Duke has arrived at that conclusion, then he is sorely mistaken. He got the majority of the white vote in Louisiana when he ran for governor a few years ago. There is absolutely no reason why racialists cannot achieve similar success in places like my home state of Alabama.
"The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference."
—Richard Dawkins
Posted : 11/06/2006 9:38 am
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There are millions of white Americans who already hold racialist attitudes to some degree. Why not concentrate on getting people who already agree with us, our fellow citizens, organized and involved in racialist activities?
True, but i doubt it matters. There is a huge problem. These racist Americans just never seem to get it. Most of my friends are in this category and this is what I hear them say...on and on and on:
"Damn them messicans, why don't we line the spics and shoot em. You know George Bush would...that is if he had a chance. It's them damn liberals in congress...Yep, them damn Democrats that force Bush to not send the messicans back. If we could just get enough Republicans, the right kind of Republicans, in Congress, our boy George Bush would round them messicans up and send em back."
This is what they think, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I've gotten to the point where I no longer give a shit what happens to these goobers. Not liking niggers and spics is not enough. These racist American good-old-boys will still be thinking the same, "God bless America and God bless George Bush" bull shit when the jews are having their children butt-fucked into an American Brazil.
Enkidu
Hunter S. Thompson, "Big dark, coming soon"
Posted : 11/06/2006 9:54 am
I respect those who think it's time to leave; they can serve as a vanguard if the rest of us eventually must follow suit.
But far too many of our white ancestors built this country by the spark of their brain and the sweat of their brow for us to give it up without a fight. If there is a next world, and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson asked us what we did with the country they sacrificed so much to form, could we look them in the eye and tell them we ran without a fight?
If we fight and lose, we will at least have gone down swinging instead of standing there with the bat on our shoulder.
However, Russia should be seriously cultivated. I recently read an article in which Putin was complaining about Russia losing more population. I would think he would prefer his thinly-populated Far East inhabited by foreign whites instead of by Chinese. Russia could ultimately be the source of our racial salvation.
Posted : 11/06/2006 11:34 am
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