http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=9252

Bush Working Toward Union of US, Canada, Mexico

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The real reason for Bush's reluctance to enforce U.S. immigration laws, Corsi contends, is that the President intends to abrogate U.S. sovereignty to the North American Union, a new economic and political entity that the he has been quietly forming with Canadian and Mexian leaders, in a pattern based on the European Union.

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Good find, Doppelhaken. Some of the USA-or-Die patriots better read it, here's why:

In 1992, the year NAFTA was hustled during the presidential run, and 1993, the year it passed, scads of us were passing out flyers (futility didn't start at VNN) from articles in the old Spotlight and anywhere else we could get got copy against the North American Free Trade Agreement (Mexico Division]could not buy space in The New York Times to refute the benefits of the NAFTA treaty. (NYT called it an "advertorial" meaning "Advertisement/Editorial" and no contrary views were permitted during the run-up to passing the bill.)

That's just how much support you're going to get from Your Fellow White Americans when the other shoe drops. None.

1992 was paradise compared to now. The money was still fairly good. Union people were not loved, but we had lots of support in places that depended on union wages, like meatpackers in Iowa and old industrial centers like Decatur. Look what happened to both.

Now consider: Your Fellow White Americans are trained from birth to hate WNs, like all of us. Union guys they might suspect, even call thieves once in awhile, but it's peanuts compared to what they think of Naaazis.

Whites fighting for their race in America are going to be outnumbered by their own people, like we were. That's what it means.

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This thread is about options, I think, not yea/nay though Devere set it up that way to make it more interesting, and I think he succeeded. But where options are concerned I would keep the objective facts as simple as possible.

The facts whites have to keep in mind about America are:

Racial solidarity among whites in the US is weak and growing weaker;

Economic awareness of whites in regard to each other is minimal which makes organization for common goals problematic (simple co-operatives among downsized Americans, incredibly, has never even been tried.);

Military and police in America appear to belong to separate cultures from the majority, which means that uniformed whites might have a large amount of theoretical firepower but in fact they are serving aliens and will likely fire on any white American individual or group designated "terrorist";

And the old bugbear: Among reasonably aware Whites there's still a huge awareness gap as to what the real problem is.

To make that last simple: ZOG = USRAEL. I think it was Eric Thomson on FAEM who made this clear. America and Israel don't act like different entities, so they ain't. As long as Americans think otherwise, we're spinning our wheels.

Useful knowledge for WN debates:

http://www.faem.com/

A highly pertinent example from April 13, 2003:

People often get confused about the tail (Israel) wagging the dog (USZOG).

You've got the wrong animal and the wrong parts. Israel and USZOG are Siamese criminal perverts sharing the same dirty bed. Kick one and the other feels it. Since USZOG has more cannon fodder, more ZOGbucks, and more things which go boom in the night, it is the one responsible for everything. ISRAEL, like our entire Black population, CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF GULLIBLE GOYIM. USZOG is the big kosher daddy who allows its spoiled brat Israel to do as it pleases. If someone interferes with the brat, daddy steps in and clobbers him. (Israel wanted to attack Iraq but daddy stepped in to do the dirty work leaving Israel free to massacre more Palestinians.)

As with all such arrangements, squabbles appear from time to time leaving an illusion that they are distinct entities, which they are not. Eric concisely defines this by calling USZOG, Usrael.

I've seen this over and over relative to parent/teacher conferences where a pip-squeak bad-mouths teachers while daddy looks on. If a teacher reprimands the kid, daddy steps in and threatens to trash the teacher. It's the American way. No kid runs the "family" without dad's consent and Israel doesn't do shit without Usrael's permission and ZOGbucks. Let's stop the hypocrisy and have our entire Congress, and Executive, move to Tel Aviv where they belong.

Yes comrades, one of the most difficult things for some young people is realizing that their mother is a whore or their father an irresponsible drunk. Until people can live with the truth, they'll never understand anything and will forever be crying in their beer. The crackdown on people who oppose the war is just another variety of political correctness. People in Seattle have lost their jobs because they expressed their anti-war sentiments. They're getting the same treatment as would any White job-seeker who reveals that he's not interested in having his daughter screwed by apes. As I have mentioned before, if race-mixing isn't destroying the White race fast enough, through it's misguided air heads, ZOG can be expected to offer incentives for having mulattos just like they give rewards for the breeding of more nigeroos and muds. They breed. We feed. Haven't you caught on yet, Whitey? It is soon approaching where marrying your own kind will be viewed as politically incorrect. The ground work is evident every time some mongrel yodels that he's "part Catawba, part Irish, part jew, part Syrian and part horsecock."

"Wat? Yer parents are both White? Das terribul. Wa' kind of people is you?"

Really, you two -- and perhaps some others -- owe us a genuinely felt apology. (But I don't expect one.)

If you deserved an apology, I would give you one. But now, since you are in an indefensible position, you want to squirm away with the old Jewish trick of "speak mildly so that they love you".

Smear tactics are, indeed, a favorite method of the kikes. But in this case, it is not a smear tactic but it is calling a spade a spade. Whether you are a coward or an idiot depends upon your actions. Whether you PLAN to be a coward or an idiot, depends upon your THOUGHTS AND IDEAS. If you express the thoughts and ideas of a coward and an idiot, then I do you a favor in warning you in advance of your actions -- warning that these are the ideas of a coward and of an idiot.

So, if anyone deserves an apoplogy, it is all of us who see that your thoughts and ideas about running away to some other country and abandoning America, are the thoughts and ideas of a coward and an idiot.

So, let's hear it. Let's hear you say, "Thank you Banjo_Billy and thank you Rounder, for showing me the error of my ways with your harsh criticism. And I apologize for even THINKING these cowardly and idiotic thoughts. And I promise to stand fast and fight the enemy until they are defeated here in my own land."

Okay, I'm waiting for your apology and your thanks.

I do apologize to Billy Bob for calling him a twit. I don't know if he is a twit or not. This requires more proof.

Wrote Brutus:

We have immediate family in Europe both in Germany and Poland and I could see us living in either country. But, things would have to get a tad worse here in the States for us to pull out any time soon.

Brutus hasn't voted in the poll, but I think he has made his position clear. So you two who are smearing, if you are to be consistent, you are going to have to add Brutus to your growinig list of courageous, clear thinking White Nationalists who you must now smear as a coward and traitor and, to add Banjo's latest slander, idiot.

Could it be, you two, could it just be -- that your slander is slanderously wrong and that your position itself totters on shaky ground?

FranzJospeh and DH,

I hear you and understand where you're coming from, but where can you (not you personally, but anyone) point to that is free of the traits we're thinking of escaping here?

Does it really matter if Mexico becomes, de jure, part of the Jewnited States, when it, de facto, already is, judging by the number of greasers walking the streets? It might even help wake the White lemmings up to find that the government of mudville, Mexico has as much say over their day-to-day affairs as does the beloved emperor in D.C. though you'll note I'm not going to hold my breath over this latter possibility.

The meme of a "proposition nation" has spread to traditionally White countries around the world, either by propaganda osmosis or at the point of a gun (Kosovo?). Granted, it isn't called that, and it's present to greater or lesser degrees in various countries, but the bedrock of the philosophy, that of Whites not being allowed "to take account their racial interests" as you put FJ it is in operation in all areas where Whites have an opportunity to govern their own affairs. I would alter FJ's sentence to read, "They would be the ones who reject the 'proposition nation' propaganda that most whites accept." Sure, there are some areas where Whites don't swallow multicutural bullshit with the ease they do here, but, just like here, those Whites are also in the minority where they are.

I think the difference is in degree, not in kind, which is why I sympathize with the viewpoint that you're merely going to higher ground on the Titanic.

It seems that anywhere in the White world, the system can allow no open act of resistance to go unanswered, from the individual level on up to nations.

Again, the Kosovo/Serbia affair is an example. "No (White or mostly White) nation shall be allowed to govern in a way that protects its White majority or it'll be bombed and/or occupied." Notice this edict doesn't operate in nigger hellholes like Rwanda and Liberia, where the indigenous monkeys can chop/shoot/eat each other without much interference (the one decision that makes sense from our Kosher Kommissars).

Take John Rocker and his comments. He was forced to grovel, even though half the country or more was saying "right on!" to his comments.

Take that poor sad sack who runs Geno's Steaks in Philadelphia, who's being harassed for putting up a tiny 3x5" "order in English" sign. He's sticking to his guns, under the delusion he's still operating in a free country. They have to land on this guy with both feet, or the peons might get the idea that they can get away with publically expressing that the emperor is buck naked and an ugly, hook-nosed kike, to boot.

Incidentally, I think that's why the news about the sniper who popped the family court judge has disappeared. It seems that the shooter got away clean. If the system can't perp-walk or show this guy full of holes soon, they'll memhole it because it might give people some ideas that they too could get away with waxing one of our overseers. As I said before, these people are shit-scared and paranoid. But, they're shit-scared, paranoid people with access to automatic weapons and explosives, so it makes them more dangerous, not less.

Anyway, the list of open resisters raped by the system goes on and on and while I realize it strenghtens your points about this country being lost, I just don't see that the situation is much more tenable anywhere else that isn't overrun with muds.

Brazil? Venezuela? Australia? Austria or anywhere in Europe? Russia? The latter is more jew-aware than most, but can you make a living or raise a family there? Are they that free of egalatarianism? Plenty of synagogues in Moscow I'll bet.

Maybe Santa's workshop at the North Pole, but if he hasn't been visited yet by the EEOC to hire more nigger elves, I'd be really surprised.

I hope you are not refering to me. And I've met Chain. We're both white on both sides. You call another white man a mongrol on this board and you'll be ousted soon enough to opp.

I dont see your sense in threatening me. Not a smart move. You have just begun to piss me off, and for no reason. Why you would assume that I was addressing you, I havent the slightest clue.

I'd just like to reiterate that Americans are not ethnically pure. They have no European country of origin to return to, since you cant tear yourself in half or quarters. Even Hitler knew this and spoke of it several times. America is our natural country of origin.

"It would be a serious mistake to believe that the Americans have accepted within their minds the fact of Jewish supremacy in any field, for they have not. And the Jews know that they have not. Present Jewish importance in American affairs threatens to become as precarious as Bolshevik rule in Russia; it may fall at any time. The Jews have overplayed their hand. They have threatened too wildly and boasted too loudly. ... The Jews may live among us, but they may not live upon us."

[THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT, issue of 26 February 1921]

I'd like to see banjo, dulcimer, mandolin players, what have you, calm their asses way down. This is the most important thread on the board. If there's a new way of looking at "should I stay or should I go now, or in the next few years," I want to know about it. WN has passed the propaganda phase, whether you accept it or not.

So far it's the same old stuff from both sides, but belittling those who want to get out while they can is pointless.

If you have a different POV about staying or leaving, put it here.

Yes. I suggest that those of you who are using smear and intimidation tactics to discourage open and free discussion, from this point on, stop doing so. Let's discuss this issue on its merits. It's too crucial a question for us all for us not to do so.

Anyway, as I've suggested, it's not the Aryan way. The Aryan way, the way of our people, the secret of the success of our people is to found opinions and worldview and decisions on facts and truth. This is why we invented free speech as a natural right. This is why our people, and only our people, created the scientific method, from which we evolved all of Western science and technology. We are the Race of Truth. Our premise must always be truth, which requires unshackled free speech. Don't be afraid of it. It is the source of our people's strength and greatness -- and always has been.

I realize that in this age and nation of the jew and jew deceit and jew manipulation, that many of us, particularly our younger Aryans, have not learned to sufficiently value this genetically Aryan approach to knowledge and understanding and decision -- have taken on and in the "wisdom" of the jew -- that there is no truth as a starting place or ending place, but only predetermined means to ends. The result of this jew "wisdom" we see all about us. Our people must relearn the Aryan way, the true path, the path of truth.

I do have more to say on the meat of this thread's subject -- and I'll post those thoughts as soon as I get the chance this weekend.

When I talk to US soldiers, they tell me how much they respect the Izzies they've been trained by, because they "kick ass"; without compunction the Izzies do the unrestrained sadism these indoctrinated farm boys would like to do to the Iraquis, Afghans, Iranis, whoever the jew tells them is the enemy du jour.

"I can hire half the working class to shoot the other half."

-Jay Gould

I dont see your sense in threatening me. Not a smart move. You have just begun to piss me off, and for no reason. Why you would assume that I was addressing you, I havent the slightest clue.

Probably cuz I live here... duh. Not smart? Why? Are you some bad ass? Maybe but it won't stop a mod from ousting you for calling us racial bastards.

BTW, did you know that threatening someone on a message board is just like competing in the special olympics? Even if you win you're still a retard.

I'd just like to reiterate that Americans are not ethnically pure. They have no European country of origin to return to, since you cant tear yourself in half or quarters. Even Hitler knew this and spoke of it several times. America is our natural country of origin.

Really? I guess all those Pennsylvannia Dutch, Chicago Irish, Swedish in MN and French Canadian are all mongrols. Right? Call them mixed and see what happens. And I guess all the Europeans are "pure", right? No such thing as a half and half over there... nope. It all starts and stops at the borders. Either you are French or German. NEVER will you see a mix of both... And NONE of them welcome american whites. They only want muslims... every last one of them... LOL!

Wrote Brutus:Brutus hasn't voted in the poll, but I think he has made his position clear. So you two who are smearing, if you are to be consistent, you are going to have to add Brutus to your growinig list of courageous, clear thinking White Nationalists who you must now smear as a coward and traitor and, to add Banjo's latest slander, idiot.

Could it be, you two, could it just be -- that your slander is slanderously wrong and that your position itself totters on shaky ground?

Wrong again. It is not slander to call a spade a spade. It's just the truth. So, does this mean that you aren't going to apologize for fomenting cowardice and treason among the American People?

Oh, well.... onward to victory and let the cowards and traitors swing from the yardarm.

Someone please pay attention to Banjo Billy Bob.

Someone please pay attention to Banjo Billy Bob.

I'm on it chief! GAWD BLESS UHMEREKA!!! *Buuurrrrp!*

Someone please pay attention to Banjo Billy Bob.

You seem to fill the bill okay. What's on your mind?

And for your info, Billy Bob is not me -- you confused old retard.

I'm on it chief! GAWD BLESS UHMEREKA!!! *Buuurrrrp!*

It's spelled "God Bless America"!!! while leaving off your offensive mouth farts.