Along with Chain's most interesting find (yuck) there's Kirwan and the anonymous White House deep throat to consider.

They are two not-small articles so I put them on a thread of their own. My take? Shit, if I were under thirty and single -- or even not single -- I'd take my chances on fucking raft floating circles around Antarctica than stay here. Out there you'd have a sliver of a chance.

How'd that ancient south african wigger put it? Cry the beloved country? Read 'em and weep:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=408261&posted=1#post408261

Rounder, I do not expect to be coming back from Europe except to visit. Maybe I should get a wonderful light fine-haired blonde and bring her to southern Missouri (an area I know quite well, having been born and raised in Missouri), WV or even Hawaii. I don't think so.

You are extremely provincially minded in your White beliefs. You and I differ greatly in that respect. I technically never had the military mindset that would have allowed me to be career military. That is some of the difference.

I know Metzger believes North America is more important than Europe. Really, I think I pretty much used to too.

Then, as we have continually pointed out to you in this thread (and I'm not 100% sure, but I think you haven't answered us, at least in any logical detail)...David Duke, who you've said several times is the world's greatest living racialist has spent several years before annd after his imprisonment in Europe.

There seems to be quite a difference in the Baltic states and Bulgaria, Belarus etc. and the obvious US-type near basket cases of the UK and France. The other Nordic countries are tending to move in the wrong direction, yes. But their slides can still be halted.

Anyplace where I have to live around niggers or "rapidly becoming mud majorities" hardly qualifies as a "country" in any sense of the word. It's even worse when Whites can't even get jobs because of said niggers, Not to mention the 24/7 brain blasting you get from all the media. The United States is terminally ill. Sorry if I happen to have the prescience to spot it and the means to make a decent White family [who won't be set upon by Kwa muds in the Kwa] in my late years. I don't owe any apologies to you or any White for coming home to my racial homeland. I'm happy and proud I did it. If I visit or reside in the Kwa for 6 or 12 months for some purpose, it'd surely be a racial purpose. Why else would anybody want to go there? And I might. But I can do racial work here too.

Here's s very small example of the mind washing barrage in the Kwa I just can't stand anymore. So I clicked this floating jump rope at Afreaka Bill Gates' XBox360 website (which looked to me on first glance to be a cable. I needed a cable). I was looking for a power cable for an Xbox360 for my business. So what do I get? A fat Hottentot silverback jumpin' rope in the ghetto, a banger jumpin' wrote, two ugly nigresses together jumpin' rope. Take a look!
http://www.xboxemea.com/jumpin/home.html?lang=en-us
Sickness, sickness, sickness everywhere, and sick Whites with far better jobs and assets than I had who do nothing but go along with it. Plus, they run me in the ground for fighting it, as if they are Jesus' right hand man! LOL At least I fought it and told them where to get off. That's more than they are doing. You can't just say they are all innocent victims of their mindwashings. The kids, sure...but not all the adults, all the time!

A broken, defeated, childless, old White man, miserable, and rotting away in an alien land, surrounded by people you don't understand and who don't understand you, as the walls of your cheap, one-room, hotel closes in, and while your conscience eats you alive for deserting your people and land.

Fine. Just stop spreading your GD defeatist poisons here among the young, the strong, the brave - VNN ACTIVISTS !!!

A broken, defeated, childless, old White man, miserable, and rotting away in an alien land, surrounded by people you don't understand and who don't understand you, as the walls of your cheap, one-room, hotel closes in, and while your conscience eats you alive for deserting your people and land.

Fine. Just stop spreading your GD defeatist poisons here among the young, the strong, the brave - VNN ACTIVISTS !!!

Glen, instead of flaming Chain why don't you cite examples of reasons to stay. Tell us why think the Kwan cattle are worth trying to save from themselves. I told you I've come to hate the Kwan cattle. They disgust me utterly. Most times I'd like to take that oak table leg Dr. Pierce talked about and bash their goddamn useless brains in. You will never straighten out their thinking or get them off their ass; it is impossible. Sometimes I hate them more than our enemies and point in fact, as far as WN's are concerned, they are our worst enemies. Refute Chain's position instead of flaming, just my suggestion.

Glen, instead of flaming Chain why don't you cite examples of reasons to stay. Tell us why think the Kwan cattle are worth trying to save from themselves. I told you I've come to hate the Kwan cattle. They disgust me utterly. Most times I'd like to take that oak table leg Dr. Pierce talked about and bash their goddamn useless brains in. You will never straighten out their thinking or get them off their ass]

To "refute" positions that support deserting 50 million helpless, innocent White children and babies, is to lend credibility to those treasonous positions. And all those who "lend" and/or "support" them show a lack of responsibility, as well as immaturity, and selfishness. Mainly, they are lonely, old White men and spoiled preppy punks trying to attract attention to themselves, while enjoying their internet hobby - A mutual admiration society of deserters reinforcing each other with selfish, self-serving cyber space alibi-jibberishes. Go to Phora, and you'll witness an entire nest of um.

Surrendered defeatists should just slither away quietly, and they should not be allowed to inject their defeatism poisons, while slithering, into those who are not.

(Chain knows the great respect I have for his past WN activisms. I don't know what the hell's gotten into him with his "back to Europe" bullshit. He suffers from "burn out", I suspect. Feeling sorry for himself, and wants company, perhaps. Misery loves company, ya know)

Besides, I'm on my way out the door to enjoy one of my own hobbies - EXPOSING THE GD KIKES with TWPL newspapers. Got 600 more rolled, loaded, and cocked to strike our enemies. Oh, glory day ahead !!!

Sieg Heil !!!

“To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize” —–Voltaire

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To "refute" positions that support deserting 50 million helpless, innocent White children and babies, is to lend credibility to those treasonous positions. And all those who "lend" and/or "support" them show a lack of responsibility, as well as immaturity, and selfishness. Mainly, they are lonely, old White men and spoiled preppy punks trying to attract attention to themselves, while enjoying their internet hobby - A mutual admiration society of deserters reinforcing each other with selfish, self-serving cyber space alibi-jibberishes. Go to Phora, and you'll witness an entire nest of um.

Surrendered defeatists should just slither away quietly, and they should not be allowed to inject their defeatism poisons, while slithering, into those who are not.

(Chain knows the great respect I have for his past WN activisms. I don't know what the hell's gotten into him with his "back to Europe" bullshit. He suffers from "burn out", I suspect. Feeling sorry for himself, and wants company, perhaps. Misery loves company, ya know)

Besides, I'm on my way out the door to enjoy one of my own hobbies - EXPOSING THE GD KIKES with TWPL newspapers. Got 600 more rolled, loaded, and cocked to strike our enemies. Oh, glory day ahead !!!

Sieg Heil !!!

So if I put out the TWPL's after I move I am a surrender defeatist or a VNN activist, because I still don't believe it's possible to move the herd's direction? If Chain continues his WN activities in Europe he is a surrender defeatist? At what point would you say the Kwans are beyond redemption? Hey Glen, maybe they don't want to be redeemed. You still have not presented any proof that the Kwans can be saved. Please tell me, because I would like to think otherwise.

I'm now going to discuss truthfully and openly our prospects for success for saving the kwa. I disagree with Rounder that we should not be open and honest in this regard. I think we must always be honest and open -- and have truth as the basis for all decisions. That is the Aryan way. Nothing will be said here, I assure you, that the enemy does not already know -- we live in their world, after all. Of course, they know the truth. They created our truth -- (through lies and deception). Will the truth discourage would-be guerrilla WN fighters? If it does, they won't make good WN guerrilla fighters, will they? Will openly discussing the truth on one VNN thread counter Rounder's recruiting efforts and destroy any chance of a guerrilla war against the enemy? No. Let's not exaggerate our own importance and impact (butterfly wings notwithstanding). This is one thread on one fairly small WN forum. And why, Rounder, would you want guerrilla fighters in your army who can't withstand a bit of truth? You wouldn't.

Moreover, I thought Our Race Is Our Nation. Where our people are, where they are in charge -- is our nation. The kwa sure isn't our nation, as presently constituted. If our people decide to move from an over-run kwa to Western or Eastern Europe, that does not mean they will never fight. That's lying bullshit. It would be a strategic withdrawal from enemy grounds. In this case, our positions were over-run before we knew we were in a war (the masses of our people STILL do not know we are in a war to the death), but our positions were still over-run -- so a strategic retreat is completely justified, if that is our decision. Moreover, it will happen anyway. White people, the White masses, will emigrate from the kwa when things get bad enough -- for as long as they are allowed to (the kwa will make it illegal at a certain point -- the jews and other parasites can't lose their host after all -- not until another one [China] is ready for them). And this is good. This emigration out of the Kwa will preserve their White genetics. In White nations, we, having learned our lessons, will have a much better chance of awakening the surviving White race to the catastrophe that is upon us. We may even get nuclear Russia on our side. This is a distinct possibility.

So let's get on with the discussion.

Facts and trends:

1. Kwa, if present trends continue, will within the next 20 years or so have 400 million creatures and this will grow to 600 million over an additional 20 years or so -- MOSTLY non-white inferior, violent, anti-white, non-productive, dependent creatures. Whites will be a minority, at the mercy of these animals who hate us.

2. Kwa, if present trends continue, will become gradually an anti-white fully sovietized marxist slave state, with Whites as primary slaves, upon whose backs all non-whites, including jews will be dependent for livelihood. But Whites won't be the bosses anymore. That will be illegal. Not even White women will be allowed to be top managers/leaders anymore. Jews, niggers, spics, yellows -- will be our masters.

3. White kwa women will increasingly give their bodies and souls and genetics to non-white men and bear the young of unwhites and reject their own White men.

4. The various individual rights Whites now have will be steadily eroded. We will not have freedom of speech, assembly, association, the right to bear arms. Anti-white hate laws will control our thoughts as well as our speech.

Reasons to stay and fight:

1. The land of America and Canada are themselves still large and beautiful and filled with resources. A terrific land for a high White civilization.

2. America, as it was when I was young in the '50's and '60's, was a truly wonderful prosperous safe 90% White nation. The niggers (the only significant non-white minority) could be avoided -- and were avoided and their naturally uncivilized behavior was much more controlled by the White establishment. When I moved to California to attend college, the beaches were white and pristine, the girls in bikinis and mini-skirts were nearly all slim and White and innocent and wanted promising young White men. There were no graffiti; no homeless bums; no nigger or spic gangs in sight; almost no niggers or spics or chinks in college; almost no nigger assaults, rapes, robberies, murders. All of these evils were, of course, in the background and, unbeknownst to us, steadily building, building, building -- until they suddenly made themselves evident in the Watts riots in the '60's. But White men were still mostly in charge of that America. It was a vastly better America. It was still, in fact, America.

We had no idea whatsoever that the jews were waging a relentless slow gradual evil war against us. It happened so gradually, we didn't comprehend that we were under assault, that jews had already usurped power over our government, were already in the process of sovietizing America and opening the borders of America to the slime of the world. We had no internet to give us truth and certainly no truth from the jew media -- which we did not know was in the hands of our mortal enemies -- and which was lying to us and subverting our civilization.

This America that once was, if it is recreatable, regainable, would be worth fighting for.

3. There are still, at this moment, many mostly White areas -- although all areas are really controlled by jews and their nigger/spic allies. In 20 or 40 years, there will be NO mostly White areas. So there are still temporarily, at least, mostly White areas in the kwa in existence today worth fighting for.

4. The Power of Compounding White Nationalism. Our budding movement IS GROWING. Will it grow fast enough to save and recreate America? Probably not. But it may grow fast enough to save Europe and Russia and the White Race. See my thread on this topic if you aren't familiar with the concept: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=17621

5. The likelihood of winning is significantly enhanced by the remnants of our right to keep and bear arms -- and by the fact of 150 million guns in the hands of Whites in the kwa. This fact, alone, in my opinion keeps the jew from going for the final kill immediately. This is our potential ace in the bag. Indeed, I am reluctant to move anywhere personally where I can't own a gun. Switzerland is now the only White nation on earth which allows its citizens to own military weapons. It has a true militia. Switzerland is the only nation in Europe that has not been successfully conquered. Could millions of well armed Swiss citizens be the reason? And, in fact, the Second Amendment was designed to create an America modelled on Switzerland. Did you know that? No? That's because the Second Amendment is not taught in kwa schools.

Reasons to leave the kwa:

1. Revolution in the Kwa.

150 million guns are in the hands of White people. Yes, but we do not have a militia in the sense that the Founding Fathers envisioned. Many White men are not armed. Few understand why American Whites were allowed to be armed. Few understand that it is to defend themselves against a tyrannical government -- rather than for hunting defenseless deer. Few White men, brainwashed as they are, give a damn anyway. These guns will only be used for hunting and maybe for self-defense. They do, however, have the potential for revolution. But, remember, the people's armament have been purposefully demilitarized -- the weapons we have are not military level weaponry. AND the kwa has a far more powerful standing army. The Founding Father's idea was that the people's militia would always be stronger than the standing army, if there was a standing army at all. The jews have tossed this idea out the window a long time ago. We potentially outnumber the military -- and if enough Whites were awake -- we could, in a long bloody guerrilla war, probably even win. But remember, we would be fighting tanks, jet fighter planes, bombers, and, if necessary, chemical and biological and nuclear weapons. Do you really think the jews will hold anything back? Do you think, now that they have all the power, that they will be chivalrous to us? Chivalry is not one of their weaknesses.

Moreover, in reality, probably half the population is already non-white and many Whites, especially White women, are on the side of the enemy -- they want a multi-"cultural" kwa. Diversity is our strength. The gates have been opened by the jews (their historical treachery against White civilizations) and the enemy is already within the gates. The government and the vast majority of the White people are, amazingly enough, on the side of the tyranny, on the side of the enemy. Who is there left to fight for? They cannot be won over, unless we gain control of the media now, right now. And, even if we can do that, it will take a long time to unbrainwash the White leaders, let alone the White masses. And what will the enemy government and powerful enemy military and the 150 million anti-white, non-whites be doing while this process unfolds -- letting us take over the media and unbrainwash our people? I don't think so. It will, at the start, be a few thousand against everyone and everything. Within 30 days, most of us will be in concentration camps, and the "revolution" will be over. A successful revolution in the kwa just is not possible in the near future.

2. The only feasible way will be Kevin Strom's and David Dukes' way to save the kwa -- gradual increase of White internet media, gradual awakening of our people -- and The Power of Compounding White Nationalism. And, while Rounder's White Patriot newspaper is a definite plus, and NSM's street activities are a plus (IF they change their uniform), National Vanguard and Stormfront and David Duke's speeches and Kevin Strom's ADV's and each of us individually reaching out to our White friends and acquaintances on a one to one basis will reach far more of our people. So they (and all of us collectively) are, in my opinion, at the present, the major players here. VNN is a minor player. But VNN is wonderful and has a powerful impact, given its size, because of its complete freedom of expression. That's why I post here. Smaller audience, but more truth. And truth will out, as Shakespeare says.

3. The most important goal, the only important goal ultimately, is to save a viable population of White genetics. It doesn't matter where geographically that White genetics is. I hope that that land will include America, but we must understand that it doesn't have to be America. And it probably will not be America. I'm not saying that we will certainly lose America, but that retaking America is not essential to the survival of the White race -- although the destruction of Amerikwa (and Israel) might be -- not sure about that. Perhaps, one day, when we are strong again, the White race will return to America and Canada and Australia and New Zealand and retake them -- from whoever controls those lands then.

So should we emigrate from America? That's an individual choice. Since our goal is to save our genetics, those awakened Whites should emigrate in my opinion -- to save their children and have more in a relatively White land. And unawakened Whites should emigrate too. Remember, JOG will make emigration illegal at some point, so prepare now -- or even emigrate now. But plan on doing so fairly soon and suddenly. When the iron curtain begins to fall in earnest on the Kwa, you had better be ready. Hopefully, your wife and kids will already be in Belarus or Poland or Russia or the Ukraine or even a relatively White Western European country, waiting for you.

Glen, instead of flaming Chain why don't you cite examples of reasons to stay. Tell us why think the Kwan cattle are worth trying to save from themselves. I told you I've come to hate the Kwan cattle. [highlight]They disgust me utterly. Most times I'd like to take that oak table leg Dr. Pierce talked about and bash their goddamn useless brains in.[/highlight] You will never straighten out their thinking or get them off their ass]

Save that rage for the "Shepherds" not the "Sheep".

 

The problem is most Americans want a pre-packaged quick fix, it comes from decades of being spoiled by Corporate marketing.

If you bitch about their not being a militia, dont whine, get together and START ONE. Dont whine about their not being a white community, get together and START ONE.

What are you waiting for?

A Messiah?

Glen, additionally, you operated under the premise that ZOG is in trouble and will collapse due to its own corruption. Others pray for some other external reason for ZOG's collapse like peak oil or economic meltdown.

Peak oil isn't going to happen despite however much some VNNr's read Michael Ruppert's website. Ruppert is not a scientist. They have figured out a way to extract 1.2 trillion barrels of oil from America's shale oil deposits. At 10 million barrels a day (half of our current consumption) that's 120 thousand days of oil or 328 years. If they cut our consumption in half and supplement oil production with energy crops who knows how long it will last. Don't start telling me about EIEO these technologies have been proven to get more energy out than in. So I will not count on "peak oil" and roasting rabbits on a barrel as the savoir of America.

Economic collapse to some extent I must admit seems likely, but these Cattle/Kwans will become even more timid and begging of ZOG help. The country went to shit during the Great Depression and there was no uprising against ZOG then was there? People of that era were made of much sterner stuff than the Cattle/Kwans today. You are always counting on economic collapse being the catalyst that will cause Whites to become aware and revolt. I just don't think so. What will you do if your economic collapse does not produce the desired result? What if the collapse never materializes the way you envision it?

Maybe Chain is right and you do have a lifer mentality. I'm not saying this to be gratuitously critical, but if someone does not fit into your box you start shouting that "You have an attitude problem SON!"

I'm not childless and I want my son to have some chance at a descent life.

It makes no sense boiling everything down to an 'either or' senario, when it is quite possible -- inevitable -- that we remain 'what' we 'are' wherever we may reside.

Americans share biological, cultural and historical attibutes that make us unique in the world. We happen to be the 'hard heads' of the American Nation... that primarily north-western european experiment that evolved into the United States and now has fallen to alien tyranny.

We cannot escape who we 'are' -- as damnable, humiliating and thankless as that is right now. Think of the sufferings of Russians in the past century... and yet there is still a Solschenizyn to chronicle their plight and more than a few 'hooligans' to smash some skulls. The flame burns on, the torch is passed down the line.

As Americans, if we are abroad, we remain 'Americans abroad.'

Rounder said-

...as the walls of your cheap, one-room, hotel closes in... old White man

Uh, sorry to disappoint, Rounder. Just today I acquired a 100 square meter plus remodeled 19th century stone bldg. with 7 parking places, a courtyard, and iron gate for cars, a fireplace, and massive shelves taken from the port Peter the Great built in this city. There is a huge log out front with runes carved in it. The ceilings are about 9 feet. The place has two small bedrooms too. It's a block from the medieval section of the city, and more blondes cut through this street than any street I have seen in the city. Two of the top racist/ hard rock bars are a half block away. The United States embassy is right over my back fence. If I get lonely, I'll pole vault home in the night and hope the nigger and spic Marines (if sambo and beano are over there) don't shoot me as a haint. LOL

I am old however. I'll manage somehow.

Augustus Sutter said in #211:

Tell us why think the Kwan cattle are worth trying to save from themselves. I told you I've come to hate the Kwan cattle. They disgust me utterly. Most times I'd like to take that oak table leg Dr. Pierce talked about and bash their goddamn useless brains in. You will never straighten out their thinking or get them off their ass; it is impossible. Sometimes I hate them more than our enemies and point in fact, as far as WN's are concerned, they are our worst enemies.

This one really got to me. The entire quote. I hate so many things about them, I can barely calm down enough to enumerate the reasons. I wish I could have seen Bloody Bill Anderson and 16 year old Jesse James ride through town with John Brown's boosters' scalps strung on their bridles in Missouri. Even the Confederate regulars were shocked and scared. It seems wrong to hate your own White people, yeah...but when I remember back to Bloody Bill and Jesse James with their scalp bridles, I remember why their hate was and ours is justified for so many of "our own". A dried, dusty, bloody fur ball scalp bouncing in the sun is as good as Dr. Pierces's oak table leg to their heads. I can't wait till they get it.

So if I put out the TWPL's after I move I am a surrender defeatist or a VNN activist, because I still don't believe it's possible to move the herd's direction? If Chain continues his WN activities in Europe he is a surrender defeatist? At what point would you say the Kwans are beyond redemption? Hey Glen, maybe they don't want to be redeemed. You still have not presented any proof that the Kwans can be saved. Please tell me, because I would like to think otherwise.

There you go again painting 200 million White people with one wide, wide brush. You know better.

I never said it will be easy to save White Americans from jewish bondage and genocide. I just said it's our duty to try our best, and that defeatisms are counter-productive to our efforts.

So forget that "back to Europe" hogwash, and do your duty. I'm depending on ya. And so are 50 million innocent White American children who are not Kwans.

It will start in a town, from that town it will spread until it becomes a state. Then state by state will fall under our influence.

At least, that is how I envision it happening. That town needs to come about as soon as possible.

That's a fantasy.

I just checked MSNBC to verify that, indeed, there was not yet a mass awakening in progress.

Of course it is a fantasy, I never stated it was currently taking place or will take place in the near future.

But IF or WHEN it does happen, that is how I see it happening. The idea that a mass, simultaneous racial awaking will roll across the nation spontaneously is a fantasy.

It is our lot to deal with it, we have to make sure it is not an IF but a WHEN.