This is a non-issue.

There will be no "Great Trek" of US Whites to some safe haven abroad. Most of the mass of Whites will be stuck where they are.

If a handful of well-off VNN posters, even a few dozen, can move to Europe then more power to them. That's a personal decision for them and their families, nothing more.

Bullshit. There certainly could be a regrouping place in Europe and European Asia for the white race. This would take racial awareness and concern on the part of European/Russian leaders. That could certainly happen and should happen.

No European nation could or would be willing to take in any large number of US Whites.

More complete bullshit. If they can take in niggers by the millions, they can stop taking in niggers, kick the niggers out, and take in instead their White brothers and sisters by the millions.

Why should they?

WHAT!!!!!!!!!?????????

This is a non-issue.

There will be no "Great Trek" of US Whites to some safe haven abroad. Most of the mass of Whites will be stuck where they are.

If a handful of well-off VNN posters, even a few dozen, can move to Europe then more power to them. That's a personal decision for them and their families, nothing more.

No European nation could or would be willing to take in any large number of US Whites. Why should they?

I read posts suggesting Siberia and even Antarctica as locations for some fantasy "White Homeland". Absurd. Might as well be Mars.

Momus is correct. Realistically, the 99.99%of the Kwan Cattle will not go anywhere. If there was some mass number of Kwan Cattle who wanted to leave we would not have to go, right? That would imply that a large number of Whites had become conscious of what was wrong. The Kwan Cattle think things are just fine in Uhhmerika, land of the drunk and home of the terminally stupid.

Momus is correct. Realistically, the 99.99%of the Kwan Cattle will not go anywhere. If there was some mass number of Kwan Cattle who wanted to leave we would not have to go, right? That would imply that a large number of Whites had become conscious of what was wrong. The Kwan Cattle think things are just fine in Uhhmerika, land of the drunk and home of the terminally stupid.

He may be correct in respect to what will probably happen, but he is dead wrong in respect to what can happen. The mass of Whites will certainly try to leave the Kwa when things deteriorate sufficiently. They do not need to be awakened to the why's and wherefore's of what is happening to Amerikwa. They just need to try living amongst the mud-people for a time. They may well get stuck here anyway -- because JOG will not permit them to emigrate. (That is why we need to awaken as many of them as we can now.)

Momus's underlying assumption is that the White race in Europe and Russia will not and cannot awaken to and care about the plight of the White race, cannot take on the philosophy of ORION. This is -- to use the term that's been thrown so inappropriately and stupidly at us -- defeatism. The White race CAN awaken. White leaders CAN awaken. It is our job -- the job of those of us who are racially conscious -- to see to it that they do.

There was a time -- within my lifetime -- when it was utterly INCONCEIVABLE to think that America's and Europe's borders could and would be opened to the brown scum of the earth. But it has happened. Why? Because some jews refused to believe that they couldn't succeed in doing it. And so they devoted their lives to achieving their satanic goals. And, by George, here we are.

Our people can also learn to think racially, to confront head on and courageously the war being waged against us -- and do what is necessary to save our people.

I repeat; why should any European nation want to take in over 100,000,000 White settlers from the wealthiest, most powerful country in history? People who don't even speak their language or know their customs. Ridiculous. What reason would you give their head of state for the request to move there? Too many niggers and mexicans? Traitorous government that no longer represents the people? While that may be true enough, it doesn't wash in the world of realpolitik.

Newsflash: Europe is already full of White people.

No EU country has even offered to accept White South Africans who number only a few million and who are genuinely threatened. Why would they even consider rescuing 100+ million defeatist americans from themselves?

If you and other well-heeled Whites can go abroad then more power to you. I hope you find a better place.

As for some massive trek of disheartened and disenfranchized White rabbits to a "White Utopia Elsewhere"..... forget it. Write a Scifi novel about it if you wish, it's pure fantasy.

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This is a non-issue.

There will be no "Great Trek" of US Whites to some safe haven abroad. Most of the mass of Whites will be stuck where they are.

If a handful of well-off VNN posters, even a few dozen, can move to Europe then more power to them. That's a personal decision for them and their families, nothing more.

Bullshit. There certainly could be a regrouping place in Europe and European Asia for the white race. This would take racial awareness and concern on the part of European/Russian leaders. That could certainly happen and should happen.

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No European nation could or would be willing to take in any large number of US Whites.
More complete bullshit. If they can take in niggers by the millions, they can stop taking in niggers, kick the niggers out, and take in instead their White brothers and sisters by the millions.

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Why should they?
WHAT!!!!!!!!!?????????

There was a time -- within my lifetime -- when it was utterly INCONCEIVABLE to think that America's and Europe's borders could and would be opened to the brown scum of the earth. But it has happened. Why?

Your answer is correct... within my lifetime too. One piece knocked me over the head. A short thing about the lobby, Greg Palast, etc. But it touches on what I've come to hate about this country so much.

Although it repeats what we know, check out how placid the paid off or frightened off US goys are. Our problem is the entire upper tier of the US are traitors and short of a catastrophe we can't change it.

For "media" just read "any elite US institution" -- politics, business, education... the whole shot.

From Jim Dean (Heritage TV, Atlanta)

The Jewish Lobby shills are fairly easy to spot in the media. All you have to do is read about any major problem or controversy where certain Jewish interests are obviously entwined, and these normally intelligent and insightful journalists become instantly blind to it. No other issue makes them instantly braindead.

For the goyim journalist fear is a major component as they work in a ghetto type environment when it comes to discussing Israel. And then of course there is ignorance...no shortage of that around. And last, of course...prejudice. But there is also the intelligence aspect of it.

Intelligence agency infiltration of the media is an old old game but you don't read hardly a word about it in investigative journalism. Our CIA, and others, have done this for years and so has our wonderfully ally Israel right here in the land of free speech.

I am not saying that their shills are graduates of Mossad. That would be more expensive. They are recruited like most are recruited, some for money (career assistance) and some purely for ideological reasons, most often a combination of the two. They got their hooks into the early teleevangelist the same way. They were in a position to greatly assist in building them up...as long as they had a good understanding about a few things. There is one that we have who flew around on an Israeli Gov. Lear jet for a couple of years. [Note: He's talking about Jerry Falwell here -- FJ]

It's the perfect infiltration set up. You have protection of sources. And you are somewhat protected yourself from FBI investigations. Once your career is 'advanced' high enough (Judith Miller?) you can be a source for leaks, and you can even reveal your sources to your Israeli handler if you want to. They do require some payback for the career help they offer.

They have a separate program for retiring US generals and flag officers They screen them prior to retirement to determine who is likely to remain in the public eye. They are approached about their retirement plans and if they are subservient enough are offered help getting some 'board directorships' or nice consulting positions 'for such a good friend of Israel'. This is topped off with a five star deluxe trip to Israel where they are wined and dined.

There is a lot of beneath the surface revulsion to this going on by those below that level of rank. Our top officers are being seduced into the Jewish Lobby propaganda machine in what many tell me is a classic Intel infiltration operation. Our own Intel people (the ones who are not Israel-phobes) are just aghast at the proto dual citizenship compromising that goes on. God only knows what they turn over to the Israelis, the doors they open.

One result of this is nary a critical word from our veteran organizations regarding the most obvious Israeli security excesses, the biggest being the massive Israeli Intel operations that have been running here for decades. I hardly ever meet an military Intel person who is not aware of this, and most all of them are completely complacent about it. 'Above my pay grade'...and 'that's really a political issue' are the most common dodges that are trotted out about it. They won't even discuss the USS Liberty. They just hang their heads in shame.

I have no specific information on Mr. Palast, but he is what we would call in the Intel business 'a person of interest'. Now Judith Miller on the other hand, she may be on their payroll. After all, she was able to wiggle her way into the actual interrogations of some of Saddam top Lts. while she went around with the Army WMD units in Iraq. My sources told me this was unprecedented, having a journalist present in such situations. Her DoD NeoCon buddies got her right in there. They were there for each other and it wasn't a freak accident.

And what other country do you think might have had an interest in knowing what she learned in those interrogations...and quickly? Does anyone think that her NeoCon buddies who got her on the inside were not getting detailed reports of everything that she learned?

This is called 'front door' espionage. No break ins are necessary. You just make an appointment. The media refuses to cover this, and for very good reason. They are involved. But when you think of how many Israeli spy networks that US Intel broke up in the US last year...and the year before that...and on and on...you can see how the midlevel people could have a jaded attitude about the whole mess.

It's a national disgrace.

Just a bottom note here, but the "national disgrace" is that plenty of other Americans know all this too. I watched US industry get sold off at fire-sale rates and Dan's right "You just make an appointment" and that's it. Treason is so simple in a population that don't care.

And it brings up the same old issue about the Kwa: What's left to save?

I'm with Rounder on this. The U.S. has the best nukes (though superiority to Russia in quantity or quality are debatable - see "Charles" post immediately below). Here is where, figuratively speaking, we're below the minimum angle of depression of ZOG's M1 tank cannon. ZOG can't nuke us because we're too close. Col. Tibbets was quoted in the Des Moines Register saying that ZOG ordered him to prepare to nuke Germany. And ZOG will have to nuke Russia if Russia gets much more overtly WN than it is now.

Another problem with Russia/Siberia is the "micro-ethnic" problem that Shaun Walker has written about (Shaun's mom is Ukrainian). Russians are lovely people and as intelligent as any on Earth, but even within Ukraine there are White ethnic groups that other White ethnic groups can't get along with. The cultural difference between an Anglo-American and a Russian is, unfortunately, larger than between, say, an Anglo-American and an Italian. This is often manageable for a Russian wife of an American man, but not so manageable when it's an American man actually trying to make a living in Russia - although I know of two American men (besides Duke) who have longterm college teaching jobs in the former USSR now and like it there. But the "Volga Germans" weren't all happy, and many came to the U.S.

Don't bother to go to Australia or Western Europe. The convicts went to Australia involuntarily and walked over a few helpless Homo erectus aborigines, but most of the best bloods came to North America voluntarily because they WANTED to fight redman cannibal studs. Custer was laughing, enjoying it when he and a plains Indian chief killed each other - we Americans like that stuff. When it comes to industrial-strength war, the American has the genetics. Not that there isn't some good genetics in western Europe, but tragically, naive zogservant Americans, and our Russian slavesoldier allies, killed off most of it when we killed the SS men.

White Americans have more guns & ammo, more cars, and more land than W. Europeans or Australians, more freedom of speech, and if we can't make it here we can't make it anywhere. Victory is inevitable. The only reason I bother to write to this board, is that the sooner victory happens, the less painful it will be for everyone. Yes, we could sit around and let things get so bad, that when whitey wakes up, he has no alternative but to treat America and nonwhites like coons in an abandoned shed - burn it down and shoot the ones that make it out. But I don't want that to happen. I want whitey to wake up sooner, so there can be a more humane disposition. Partition the country along ethnic lines, so nobody except diehard ZOG fanatics needs to die. That's my dream. I'm a man of peace.

Russia has 60% more nukes than the U.S.A. and the U.S.A. is scared of Russia.

White Americans have more guns & ammo, more cars, and more land than W. Europeans or Australians, more freedom of speech

And most of them believe everything ZOG says. They're physically armed and mentally unprotected, a disastrous combination.

This won't add much to what FJ had to say, but I'll say it anyway.

95% of white Americans love ZOG. They love our Jew owned government. I'm not talking about our heritage or history or even our soil. I'm talking about our government. The half-witted Republicans may hate Clinton, and the half-witted Democrats may hate Bush, but they both love ZOG and its institutions. They loved ZOG yesterday; they love it today; and they will love it tomorrow. And, they hate anyone who doesn't love it.

How will this change when they are eating out of trash cans? Simple...they will love ZOG even more, and they will, like the obedient, passive trash that they are, look only to ZOG for help, and they will turn on anyone who doesn't love ZOG and turn on them with a ferocious hatred.

Enkidu

Enkidu, FranzJoseph & Charles all make important points. I agree with all of you to some extent. Here's where I differ:

Some who pretend to love ZOG are fibbing out of fear. They're scared to death someone will call them a racist, and that they'll be rendered permanently ostracized and destitute by ZOG and the "PC" control apparatus. As Shakespeare said, people hate what they fear. If they fear ZOG today, they'll hate ZOG tomorrow.

Some fear and/or hate ZOG unconsciously. This is so overwhelming to their psyches, that they become textbook examples of the psychological defense mechanisms, "repression", "denial", "reaction formation", and "identification with the aggressor" ("Stockholm syndrome"). Gentle "talk therapy" can help these victims.

Some simply hold their tongues. A gun store owner once told me, "The government [i.e., ZOG] took my son [to Vietnam] and gave him back to me a drug addict." That's major hate.

Most common of all, are those who "know all that [stuff you read on VNN]" but "there's nothing I can do" so they "play [ZOG's] game". This segment is hardest to reach. Their logic is: if ZOG wins, their chances are better if they don't resist; if ZOG loses, they're OK because they'll be living under a pro-White government, they're White, and their Bill of Rights will be respected.

Here's the "meme" that reaches this segment: they should think again, because if ZOG wins, there will be about as much left of them as of the Vandal kingdom in North Africa. It'll be Rounder's scenario (White females get protection of colored stud, White males hide in a corner until they die of old age) if they're lucky, clubbed and cooked in a pot if they're unlucky.

And if, or rather when, ZOG loses, which is inevitable, there will be some hardass White government that makes Hitler look like Santa Claus. The closer the call, the more hardass the White government will be. It ain't gonna be "your father's U.S. Constitution".

For starters (and I'm not saying this would be good, only that it well might happen) everybody who collaborated with ZOG, from almost any former government official, including attorneys, all the way down to some retired female newspaper copy editor, starting from the point in time when war was retroactively ascertained to have begun (1941? 1913? 1861?) could be fairly tried ("speedy trial", too) for treason without changing a letter of the Constitution. So they could all literally hang, or at least undergo that humane Aryan alternative to mass executions - the form of reprieve known as "decimation". Next would come severe monetary punishment for their relatives, amounting to slavery. Assess the perpetrators for treason and collect it from their heirs. There go the house, farm, bank account. Didn't inherit anything from your traitorous relative? Unnecessary, according to Anglo-Saxon common law, which fined relatives for crimes. Can't pay? Then you can be a slave. Debtor's prison isn't against the federal constitution even now, and slavery is only a more practical form of long-term imprisonment.

If things are really rough, it might simply be announced that anyone who hadn't borne arms against ZOG had irrevocably forfeited the right to vote. Then there might be a Constitutional amendment that every White who hadn't borne arms against ZOG is a slave and that any man under age 55 who did bear arms against ZOG has the right to take up to four (seven?) slave wives as young as 15. There's plenty of precedent for that in White history starting with the Iliad. It's called "aristocracy". I'm too old to "benefit", but there will be White men who will become the aristocracy. The "know all that, but gotta play the game" Whites will be the slaves. It seems strange, but it's the historical norm.

I'm not saying that this "Turner Diaries" scenario is desirable. It isn't. That's why it's important to defeat ZOG sooner rather than later, so milder measures will obtain.

Which will win out?

Augustus Sutter said:

Tell us why think the Kwan cattle are worth trying to save from themselves. I told you I've come to hate the Kwan cattle. They disgust me utterly. Most times I'd like to take that oak table leg Dr. Pierce talked about and bash their goddamn useless brains in. You will never straighten out their thinking or get them off their ass; it is impossible. Sometimes I hate them more than our enemies and point in fact, as far as WN's are concerned, they are our worst enemies.

Then:

This one really got to me. The entire quote. I hate so many things about them, I can barely calm down enough to enumerate the reasons. I wish I could have seen Bloody Bill Anderson and 16 year old Jesse James ride through town with John Brown's boosters' scalps strung on their bridles in Missouri. Even the Confederate regulars were shocked and scared. It seems wrong to hate your own White people, yeah...but when I remember back to Bloody Bill and Jesse James with their scalp bridles, I remember why their hate was and ours is justified for so many of "our own". A dried, dusty, bloody fur ball scalp bouncing in the sun is as good as Dr. Pierces's oak table leg to their heads. I can't wait till they get it.

Which will consume us faster: our seething anger if we stay, or our guilty consciences if we leave?

But is there another way?

I won't judge any man for fleeing a Kwa prison cell.

Chain, I don't blame you for leaving. You've been through a lot. However - did you really ever have any other chance? Our people aren't so dumb as you imagine. Is it any wonder that they never flocked to your msg of Truth with such thinly veiled contempt? The bottom line is this: if we are to have any hope at all of winning, we must be better communicators, among our people, not alienated from them - motivated by bonds of Love - not Hate. (How does one even connect with someone they hate?)

What coaxed Zarathustra back from his cave, to be among his people? - Love for his people.

What will coax Chain back from his stone bldg.?

Another great man who went from disgust to Love:

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I went away filled with disgust, but at the same time so agitated that it would have been utterly impossible for me to turn my back on the whole business. No, after the first surge of indignation, my stubbornness regained the upper hand. I was determined to go to work on another building in spite of my experience. In this decision I was reinforced by Poverty which, a few weeks later, after I had spent what little I had saved from my wages. enfolded me in her heartless arms. I had to go back whether I wanted to or not. The same old story began anew and ended very much the same as the first time.

I wrestled with my innermost soul: are these people human, worthy to belong to a great nation?

A painful question]For me immersion in the literature and press of this doctrine and organization meant finding my way back to my own people.

What had seemed to me an unbridgeable gulf became the source of a greater love than ever before.

Only a fool can behold the work of this villainous poisoner and still condemn the victim. The more independent I made myself in the next few years the clearer grew my perspective, hence my insight into the inner causes of the Social Democratic successes. I now understood the significance of the brutal demand that I read only Red papers, attend only Red meetings, read only Red books, etc. With plastic clarity I saw before my eyes the inevitable result of this doctrine of intolerance.

The psyche of the great masses is not receptive to anything that is half-hearted and weak.

Like the woman, whose psychic state is determined less by grounds of abstract reason than by an indefinable emotional longing for a force which will complement her nature, and who, consequently, would rather bow to a strong man than dominate a weakling, likewise the masses love a commander more than a petitioner and feel inwardly more satisfied by a doctrine, tolerating no other beside itself, than by the granting of liberalistic freedom with which, as a rule, they can do little, and are prone to feel that they have been abandoned. They are equally unaware of their shameless spiritual terrorization and the hideous abuse of their human freedom, for they absolutely fail to suspect the inner insanity of the whole doctrine. All they see is the ruthless force and brutality of its calculated manifestations, to which they always submit in the end.

If Social Democracy is opposed by a doctrine of greater truth, but equal brutality of methods, the latter will conquer, though this may require the bitterest struggle.

Before two years had passed, the theory as well as the technical methods of Social Democracy were clear to me.

I understood the infamous spiritual terror which this movement exerts, particularly on the bourgeoisie, which is neither morally nor mentally equal to such attacks; at a given sign it unleashes a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous, until the nerves of the attacked persons break down and, just to have peace again, they sacrifice the hated individual.

However, the fools obtain no peace.

The game begins again and is repeated over and over until fear of the mad dog results in suggestive paralysis.

Since the Social Democrats best know the value of force from their own experience, they most violently attack those in whose nature they detect any of this substance which is so rare. Conversely, they praise every weakling on the opposing side, sometimes cautiously, sometimes loudly, depending on the real or supposed quality of his intelligence.

They fear an impotent, spineless genius less than a forceful nature of moderate intelligence.

But with the greatest enthusiasm they commend weaklings in both mind and force.

They know how to create the illusion that this is the only way of preserving the peace, and at the same time, stealthily but steadily, they conquer one position after another, sometimes by silent blackmail, sometimes by actual theft, at moments when the general attention is directed toward other matters, and either does not want to be disturbed or considers the matter too small to raise a stir about, thus again irritating the vicious antagonist.

This is a tactic based on precise calculation of all human weaknesses, and its result will lead to success with almost mathematical certainty unless the opposing side learns to combat poison gas with poison gas.

It is our duty to inform all weaklings that this is a question of to be or not to be.

I achieved an equal understanding of the importance of physical terror toward the individual and the masses.

Here, too, the psychological effect can be calculated with precision.

Terror at the place of employment, in the factory, in the meeting hall, and on the occasion of mass demonstrations will always be successful unless opposed by equal terror.

In this case, to be sure, the party will cry bloody murder; though it has long despised all state authority, it will set up a howling cry for that same authority and in most cases will actually attain its goal amid the general confusion: it will find some idiot of a higher official who, in the imbecilic hope of propitiating the feared adversary for later eventualities, will help this world plague to break its opponent.

The impression made by such a success on the minds of the great masses of supporters as well as opponents can only be measured by those who know the soul of a people, not from books, but from life. For while in the ranks of their supporters the victory achieved seems a triumph of the justice of their own cause, the defeated adversary in most cases despairs of the success of any further resistance.

The more familiar I became, principally with the methods of physical terror, the more indulgent I grew toward all the hundreds of thousands who succumbed to it.

The results of this seduction can be designated only as victims. For if I attempted to draw a few pictures from life, depicting the essence of these 'lowest' classes, my picture would not be complete without the assurance that in these depths I also found bright spots in the form of a rare willingness to make sacrifices, of loyal comradeship, astonishing frugality, and modest reserve, especially among the older workers. Even though these virtues were steadily vanishing in the younger generation, if only through the general effects of the big city, there were many, even among the young men, whose healthy blood managed to dominate the foul tricks of life. If in their political activity, these good, often kind-hearted people nevertheless joined the mortal enemies of our nationality, thus helping to cement their ranks, the reason was that they neither understood nor could understand the baseness of the new doctrine, and that no one else took the trouble to bother about them, and finally that the social conditions were stronger than any will to the contrary that may have been present. The poverty to which they sooner or later succumbed drove them into the camp of the Social Democracy.

Chapter 2 - MK.
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After 80 years is the "villainous poisoner" less effective?

Our people less their victim?

To those who stay their task becomes even more heroic: freeing 10s of millions of innocent White victims from unprecedented jew Terror. Very long odds indeed, but is the personal risk worth the payoff?

On a practical note, I don't see how the White Race has any chance at all on earth without the White American Race taking back control of the most technologically advanced nation on earth.

This has been a great thread btw. Very compelling heartfelt arguments on both sides. Thanks Devere for starting it as well as your insightful contributions. May the gods of our blood bring us victory.

This won't add much to what FJ had to say, but I'll say it anyway.

95% of white Americans love ZOG. They love our Jew owned government. I'm not talking about our heritage or history or even our soil. I'm talking about our government. The half-witted Republicans may hate Clinton, and the half-witted Democrats may hate Bush, but they both love ZOG and its institutions. They loved ZOG yesterday]

Lenin head of the Bolsheviks fought it out with the Mensheviks over their wanting to increase the membership of the communist party. Lenin correctly theorized that if they increased the size of their movement that it would fracture apart and fizzle out. Take it from a successful party that overthrew a huge country, WE DONT NEED THE MASSES TO AGREE WITH US or even know that we exist!

 

many good points here......(courtesy of HPD) some of the other posts have also been insightful(re: 'Devere', FJ et al) but i think this gets down to the real 'nitty gritty' @ the coal-face scenario.....

Most common of all, are those who "know all that [stuff you read on VNN]" but "there's nothing I can do" so they "play [ZOG's] game". This segment is hardest to reach. Their logic is: if ZOG wins, their chances are better if they don't resist]

regrettable....but i'm afraid this category will have to give way to the young.........last minute 'conversions' are inherently un-trustworthy
only those prepared to GO to WAR against ZOG (and, of course, our most precious resource: white children under 16/17yrs....probably the most precious resource in the universe!) should be deemed 'salvagable'

Here's the "meme" that reaches this segment: they should think again, because if ZOG wins, there will be about as much left of them as of the Vandal kingdom in North Africa. It'll be Rounder's scenario (White females get protection of colored stud, White males hide in a corner until they die of old age) if they're lucky, clubbed and cooked in a pot if they're unlucky

here's the paradox: THEY WON'T THINK AGAIN
Dr Pierce had it DEAD RIGHT
as long as their refrigerators are full of food and they've got their X-box and their 'ball games' and their 'six-packs' of 'Bud', then they won't BUDGE!
By the time it gets to the 'Turner Diaries' -type scenario of mass socio-economic collapse, empty refrigerators and dead TalmudVision screens, it will be TOO LATE for them.....one way or t'other!
If the White Imperium triumphs then, before this occurs, strenuous efforts should be made by various white commando units to commandeer any white children that are trapped in such a situation......let their parents go to the ZOG hell they will inherit.

And if, or rather when, ZOG loses, which is inevitable, there will be some hardass White government that makes Hitler look like Santa Claus. The closer the call, the more hardass the White government will be. It ain't gonna be "your father's U.S. Constitution"

that's pretty much how it will pan out.....ZOG is NOT going to be overcome except by some sort of TITANIC STRUGGLE that will make every civil war, revolution and uprising of the past pale into insignificance.
I'm afraid that any-one who imagines a 'bloodless revolution' or a 'peaceful transition' or a 'gentleman`s agreement' re: balkanisation is simply living in a fool's paradise if not totally 'off with the fairies'!
The 'Kwa now has a very large n° indeed of non-whites....don't forget: they also have Second Amendment rights. Perhaps this is the reason that ZOG has not previously abrogated gun ownership like in the UK, Western Europe and Oz?(although the non-whites could be fairly easily and quickly armed in those places too if ZOG deemed it necessary....in the UK, for instance, most of the criminal gangs are now non-white and virtually 'above the law' for fear of the dreaded charge of 'racism'!)

For starters (and I'm not saying this would be good, only that it well might happen) everybody who collaborated with ZOG, from almost any former government official, including attorneys, all the way down to some retired female newspaper copy editor, starting from the point in time when war was retroactively ascertained to have begun (1941? 1913? 1861?) could be fairly tried ("speedy trial", too) for treason without changing a letter of the Constitution. So they could all literally hang, or at least undergo that humane Aryan alternative to mass executions - the form of reprieve known as "decimation". Next would come severe monetary punishment for their relatives, amounting to slavery. Assess the perpetrators for treason and collect it from their heirs. There go the house, farm, bank account. Didn't inherit anything from your traitorous relative? Unnecessary, according to Anglo-Saxon common law, which fined relatives for crimes. Can't pay? Then you can be a slave. Debtor's prison isn't against the federal constitution even now, and slavery is only a more practical form of long-term imprisonment

Pretty much the way it will be......I think it will be pretty drastic......i can envisage a Day of the Rope quite easily. Maybe even more so than Dr Pierce's scenario.....quite frankly: any-one(children under 17yrs excepted) who is not 'on board' in one identifiable form or another is going to be 'a suspect' or 'a person of interest' as they say. Pierce even envisaged people who weren't really doing ZOG's dirty work to any significant degree but were what might be termed 'neutral' being strung up! If yr not with the White Revolution, then YOU WILL MOST PROBABLY be in some such peril. Pierce identified this as a form of 'revolutionary random terror' mainly intended to cower those who were 'let off the hook' into 'keeping their heads down' as it were.

If things are really rough, it might simply be announced that anyone who hadn't borne arms against ZOG had irrevocably forfeited the right to vote. Then there might be a Constitutional amendment that every White who hadn't borne arms against ZOG is a slave and that any man under age 55 who did bear arms against ZOG has the right to take up to four (seven?) slave wives as young as 15. There's plenty of precedent for that in White history starting with the Iliad. It's called "aristocracy". I'm too old to "benefit", but there will be White men who will become the aristocracy. The "know all that, but gotta play the game" Whites will be the slaves. It seems strange, but it's the historical norm

somehow vaguely reminds me of the Norman conquest of England re: 1066 and after. some say this was ZOG-enterprise n°1 although it's too long ago to speculate with accuracy. whatever: William's soldiers were pretty much given carte blanche to 'carve up' southern England as they saw fit. Former peasants who were formerely little more than 'rank and file' soldiers were, almost overnight, eleveated to the aristocracy.
re:'bearing arms against ZOG'. I don't think front-line 'insurgents' will be the only ones acquiring kudos...a revolution involves much more than just 'fighters'. Pierce recognised this too. In TD, there were 'legals' & 'illegals'.
In fact, the acutal 'combatants' were only a small % of the total....the tip of the ice-berg as it were....the real revolutionary work was done by the countless thousands of 'infiltrators', 'sympathisers' and 'supporters' although, doubtless, many of them, too, will bear and will be expected to bear arms when the crunch comes. It's been the same with all revolutions in the past and will remain the same in the near-future.

I'm not saying that this "Turner Diaries" scenario is desirable. It isn't. That's why it's important to defeat ZOG sooner rather than later, so milder measures will obtain

not realistically possible. as things now stand. barring some massive socio-economic/ socio-political implosion or perhaps a natural disaster like a Richter Scale 9 earth-quake and/or asteroid-impact, we're more likely than not past the tipping point.

(jimbo!)

I know plenty of people who get it. I have friends calling me all the time from back home to complain about the influx of Mexicans into the Southeast. In the 2004 election, Alabama voters defeated an amendment to strike segregationist language out of the Alabama state constitution, and a few years before that the majority of white voters in Alabama voted to keep the state anti-miscegenation law. Last month, I saw a Rasmussen poll that suggested at least half of the residents of Alabama support the wholesale deportation of all illegal aliens in the United States. In my experience, the real number is much higher than that.

What's that about clear thinking? If you can't see past your nose then all the "clear" thinking in the world will not help you. When Alabama becomes majority mud, which it and the rest of the South is well on its way to being, segregationist language and anti-miscegenation laws will be for naught.

BTW, anyone enforcing that anti-miscegenation law? I thought so.

It always has to come back to the Jews, Hitler, Nazism and all sorts of other unrelated irrelevant bullshit that has nothing to do with racialism in the United States. This is nothing more than a distraction.

Surely you don't think the jews are not THE driving force and influence behind our current troubles?

Lenin head of the Bolsheviks fought it out with the Mensheviks over their wanting to increase the membership of the communist party. Lenin correctly theorized that if they increased the size of their movement that it would fracture apart and fizzle out. Take it from a successful party that overthrew a huge country, WE DONT NEED THE MASSES TO AGREE WITH US or even know that we exist!

Do you by chance post on the Flora?