I read posts suggesting Siberia and even Antarctica as locations for some fantasy "White Homeland". Absurd. Might as well be Mars.

Swell idea.
Mars would be a great choice for you.

I am sure the 'lack of atmosphere' there would suit your disposition admirably .

You could set up a new jewish 'Fredonia' in Cydonia.

Aren't you in a snit! You got up and covered all my recent posts with "clever comebacks" such as this. This one is as fatuously silly as the others but at least it doesn't have the homosexual content that most of your flames do.

Swell idea.
Mars would be a great choice for you.

I am sure the 'lack of atmosphere' there would suit your disposition admirably .

You could set up a new jewish 'Fredonia' in Cydonia.

And if, or rather when, ZOG loses, which is inevitable, there will be some hardass White government that makes Hitler look like Santa Claus. The closer the call, the more hardass the White government will be. It ain't gonna be "your father's U.S. Constitution"

that's pretty much how it will pan out.....ZOG is NOT going to be overcome except by some sort of TITANIC STRUGGLE that will make every civil war, revolution and uprising of the past pale into insignificance.I'm afraid that any-one who imagines a 'bloodless revolution' or a 'peaceful transition' or a 'gentleman`s agreement' re: balkanisation is simply living in a fool's paradise if not totally 'off with the fairies'!

I agree with the direction you're both heading in, and also appreciate that you know the difference between a debate and a mudfight.

The trouble coming for us is the number of overseas enemies ZOG-US has made just since Bush. The Europeans have been polled to death and they think we're the greatest threat to peace on earth, possibly along with Israel. There is no way Asiatics/Mideasterners can have a kinder opinion.

There's an older Ed Steele piece predicting that America's enemies will get together and nuke the shit out of us before they take much more. I forget which editorial it was and how Ed put it, but that was the general drift. That is a problem Americans have a hard time grasping because typical Americans have a hard time finding their own towns on a map. For fact: Most Americans in my immediate neighborhood do not know what continent Iraq is on. I checked myself.

The endgame of a Coalition of the Pissed Off strike on the USA, at the moment, is not pretty to think about. Mexico is loud about territorial demands on the Kwa, but the Japs and Chinese are keen on taking this land also. Japan seriously speculated that if America defaulted on Japanese loans, they would consider taking Hawaii and California in trade.

Here's the kicker: As part of an alliance, they'd be able to.

America just since Bush has: Completed hollowing out the industrial sector (what's left is for show), accepted 20 million potential enemies (minimum), and driven the country's debt to magnitudes not seen before.

A foreign army attacking the States would meet: A miniscule cadre of actual soldiers spearheading a divided citizenry over one third of whom are on psychiatric medication. A population of varicolored, fragmented couch potatoes over one half of whom are classified as being from high-risk overweight to morbidly obese. They would meet an industrial infrastructure so feeble it's been over twenty years since America made enough domestic steel for such basics as keeping bridge spans in repair. They would meet an agricultural system more centralized than Stalin's thanks to agricorporations and so inefficient you can travel for miles in urban areas and find no fresh food available at any price. (I can vouch for that personally: The wife and I were stranded in Detroit one day after coming down from Canada, and there's nothing but processed crap in convenience stores for block upon depressing block.)

Worse still is that if a massive strike such as Edgar envisions were to happen, it might well be followed by an annihilation campaign against the survivors. They'd want the land, not the people, and they'd have a whole arsenal we created ourselves, or perfected. Biochemical spray has been tested by ZOG against its own US citizens since 1950 (In San Francisco, look it up.) An enemy will be happy to finish up what our own traitors started. What we quaintly call mass murder would only be obvious strategy to them: No way they're going to let Americans live, we're too expensive. A Chinese family could live in Vermont for a minimum of 20 times less the equivalent US family now consumes in the same place.

Point is, as far as America goes, ZOG's already won: It's destroyed what we could have used to defend ourselves, created for us a world of enemies, and slid the real wealth out of the country where corporate and political elites can join it. Meanwhile we're stuck here waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Let's take off the rose-colored glasses here. A violent revolution among Americans, even nuclear, for racial/cultural survival, is a luxury we've long ago lost. We don't own enough of our national destiny for that. The power needed to get it back is beyond that of high-ranking military men, forget about the large majority of us who are out of the loop. And without serious military power in this world you are a footnote.

But I have great respect for all those who are thinking and looking for angles. Someone might turn the key that wakes up the great unaware white population. There might be a minor disaster that let's patriots take down the mass media long enough to get the truth out. I don't know. There's a lot to be said for not giving up on the Kwa even if I'm usually not the one to say it.

FranzJoseph said-

...A population of varicolored, fragmented couch potatoes over one half of whom are classified as being from high-risk overweight to morbidly obese...

I see you have utterly neglected to mention the supernatural help the fatties would be getting from on high in your interesting battle scenario.

True, but i doubt it matters. There is a huge problem. These racist Americans just never seem to get it. Most of my friends are in this category and this is what I hear them say...on and on and on:

"Damn them messicans, why don't we line the spics and shoot em. You know George Bush would...that is if he had a chance. It's them damn liberals in congress...Yep, them damn Democrats that force Bush to not send the messicans back. If we could just get enough Republicans, the right kind of Republicans, in Congress, our boy George Bush would round them messicans up and send em back."

This is what they think, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I've gotten to the point where I no longer give a shit what happens to these goobers. Not liking niggers and spics is not enough. These racist American good-old-boys will still be thinking the same, "God bless America and God bless George Bush" bull shit when the jews are having their children butt-fucked into an American Brazil.

Enkidu

Excellent post, you are speaking the pure truth here. I sometimes wonder what planet these White Republican idiots are living on? This is the same George Bush who makes speeches about how wonderful it is that niggers go to school with Whites. The same George Bush who celebrates Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. as virtual Gods. When you press these points into the face of Republicans they always give you the same "Oh, he's just doing that stuff to please the Liberals, because they'd complain if he didn't."

The whole Republican thing is a fantasy world, a sense of perceiving what they damn well want to perceive regardless of how false it is compared to what is really going on. Their little fantasy is also a good excuse for inaction, they don't have to overthrow the government because the government isn't the problem, it's the LIBERALS so now they can sit back down and eat a few more hot dogs and watch FOOTBALL for another decade or two.

Faust, your post is on Target and Thomas W. Chittum in 2003 said that three Chicom divisions out of Messyco, entering Texas could split the country.

Using Nukes in the Bread basket would be something akin to impossible to do, so it would be perhaps a real Red Dawn. People laughed at that movie back in 85, but though what ever happen's would not be like the movie, we are seeing an invasion and more anti White hate daily. I have heard AM talk radio with non whites yelling that this war is because is because of White supremacist????

The alphabet police agencie's have had a big reduction in the last six years of Straight White male's too.

Rhodesia, did not fail for lack of White will, but by Jew, S.A. Jimmy Carter I.E. jewusa, and Thatcher with London's bander's wanting CHICOMS in Rhodesia to replace whites. That is what is happening the press is silent.

33 years ago here is some details. I remember at a STATE University in the U.S. seeing a thousand Jew lead White student's screaming and yelling free Rhodesia from White rule 1980! http://www.cwporter.com/rhodesia.html

I agree with the direction you're both heading in, and also appreciate that you know the difference between a debate and a mudfight.

The trouble coming for us is the number of overseas enemies ZOG-US has made just since Bush. The Europeans have been polled to death and they think we're the greatest threat to peace on earth, possibly along with Israel. There is no way Asiatics/Mideasterners can have a kinder opinion.

There's an older Ed Steele piece predicting that America's enemies will get together and nuke the shit out of us before they take much more. I forget which editorial it was and how Ed put it, but that was the general drift. That is a problem Americans have a hard time grasping because typical Americans have a hard time finding their own towns on a map. For fact: Most Americans in my immediate neighborhood do not know what continent Iraq is on. I checked myself.
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FJ: that, of course is the other option. I omitted it because i wasn't focussing exclusively on the 'Kwa but on white nations generally.
depressingly, it's probably more realistic unless there is, somehow or other, a massive re-awakening of white racial consciousness

China and Japan have, from memory, literally $UStrillions in US 'markers' ready to recoup any-time there's a ZOG-SA economic implosion(like oil prices being set in euros rather than $US or even major natural disasters. A fairly low-level event like Katrina almost knocked ZOG-SA for 'six'. Jew-boy Chertoff looked like a dribbling wreck in some of the earliest TalmudVision clips we seen of it here in Oz)

If ZOG-SA forfeits, then these two would have every right
to demand large chunks of collateral in return....like: for instance: the entire Pacific sea-board of the US, most of the North West and a sizeable proportion of the mid-west along with whatever remains of their industrial infrastructure. It's called foreclosure and has been the standard practice of banks, financial corporations, building societies,credit unions and mortgage guarantors for yonks!

Backed up, if necessary, by over-whelming military might.
A re-armed and re-militarised Japan in conjunction with China would be a frightening prospect indeed. And Japan could re-arm to a 'red-level' threat status very quickly indeed. Unlike Germany, militaristic nationalism was never really laid to rest there.

And, of course, you are right: Asiatic peoples used to living on far less than the fat, pampered, lazy wastrels of the 'Kwa would have no compunction at all in 'wiping the slate clean'. Why should they support such medicated, zombified, useless ZOG scum?

All in all: a frightening scenario. Sort of a Turner Diaries in reverse with a bit of Red Dawn chucked in.

Another compelling motive for White Revolution ASAP!

(jimbo!)

reflecting on the fairly 'nightmarish' scenario proposed by FJ, the four-fold techniqure of Sun-Tzu comes to mind: 'attack the enemy's strategies, disrupt their alliances, engage their armies and capture their cities'

shortly after the Bolshevik coup d'etat in Russia/1917, Lenin/Trotsky implemented a, for them, fairly masterly strategic stroke. To dis-engage Russia from WWI, they ceded large parts of formerly Russian territory and paid millions of roubles worth of gold and raw materials to Germany in compensation/reparation. For them: this was the only possible strategy
To continue committing Russian forces to the Eastern Front would have spelled disaster for their 'revolution' almost over-night. Their promises of 'peace now' were probably what swayed the decisive % of the masses to their side. Of course:the rôle of the Wall Street jew financiers in this horrendous event is well documented. The fact remains, however, that this was a powerfully positive diplomatic strategm without which, their efforts would have been totally useless.

similarly, it would not be inconceivable for an incipient White Power government to cede large portions of the 'Kwa (say: the Pacific & North West) to an Asiatic Alliance. After the most promising white genetic material(viz: children) had been removed to a place of safety: viz: a new white home-land probably comprising, for instance, the North East of the US, the easter seaboard of Canada and some of the Southern states.
The rest could be relegated to 'mud bandit country'.

an accomodation could be more easily reached with Asiatics than with yoos or niggas. most orientals have a tradition of 'honouring their word' and 'abiding by agreements'. at least: amongst them-selves.
further: an aggressive and well-armed white nationalist military might well pose too big an obstacle for such an alliance to attempt a 'Kwa-wide conquest. seeing as how Asiatics have hardly ever engaged in overseas imperial conquests any-way and that their territorial claims have always been in their immediate neighbourhood, they may well be satisfied with such an arrangement. in fact, it would not even have to be permanent. once they had 'recouped their losses', it would be far from impossible for this territory to be later reclaimed......either by purchase(courtesy of the massively increased economic and technological output which would hallmark an all-white home-land) or by other means(not necessarily aggressive re-conquest)

admittedly, land, once conquered, is rarely, if ever, given up again by a people without a struggle. however, in such a case, and bearing in mind the historical lessons of Asiatic territorial disputes, it is more likely than not that such tactics could well aid and abet the survival of the White Race.

ADDENDUM
"The sinews of war are infinite money" (Cicero)
Wars and revolutions are fuelled by money. Without it, they flounder and then fail. The only way to get large supplies of it is either from well-heeled individuals and/or foreign governments. Money is rarely if ever supplied without strings attached: especially from foreign governments.
Pre-revolutionary deals and agreements (to the extent of ceding certain territories) may well be necessary for the extensive funding of such activities. Obviously, mutual confidence is necessary in both(or more) parties honouring such agreements. By definition, that automatically excludes yoos, niggas or any ZOG guv'mint. Which leaves?

(jimbo!)

FJ: that, of course is the other option. I omitted it because i wasn't focussing exclusively on the 'Kwa but on white nations generally.
depressingly, it's probably more realistic unless there is, somehow or other, a massive re-awakening of white racial consciousness

China and Japan have, from memory, literally $UStrillions in US 'markers' ready to recoup any-time there's a ZOG-SA economic implosion(like oil prices being set in euros rather than $US or even major natural disasters. A fairly low-level event like Katrina almost knocked ZOG-SA for 'six'. Jew-boy Chertoff looked like a dribbling wreck in some of the earliest TalmudVision clips we seen of it here in Oz)

If ZOG-SA forfeits, then these two would have every right
to demand large chunks of collateral in return....like: for instance: the entire Pacific sea-board of the US, most of the North West and a sizeable proportion of the mid-west along with whatever remains of their industrial infrastructure. It's called foreclosure and has been the standard practice of banks, financial corporations, building societies,credit unions and mortgage guarantors for yonks!

Backed up, if necessary, by over-whelming military might.
A re-armed and re-militarised Japan in conjunction with China would be a frightening prospect indeed. And Japan could re-arm to a 'red-level' threat status very quickly indeed. Unlike Germany, militaristic nationalism was never really laid to rest there.

And, of course, you are right: Asiatic peoples used to living on far less than the fat, pampered, lazy wastrels of the 'Kwa would have no compunction at all in 'wiping the slate clean'. Why should they support such medicated, zombified, useless ZOG scum?

All in all: a frightening scenario. Sort of a Turner Diaries in reverse with a bit of Red Dawn chucked in.

Another compelling motive for White Revolution ASAP!

(jimbo!)

Jimbo

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Corrected post

http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/12/1/Tojo31-85.html

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/w...ngland/1.shtml

Japan had been a loyal allie in the Boxer rebellion and they helped us in the bankster caused/induced insane fracticidal for no reason called war WW 1, but we used Japan and set them up to get bogged down in China, FDR had the Flying Tiger's in China over a year before the Dec. 7, 1941 cabal/treason Polls done in Oct. 1941 showed that 90% of of the U.S. White population at that time were against U.S. going to any War against Germany/Europe on the side of Stalin/USSR. and that being after two plus years having England declaring War on Germany and chased out at Dunkirk.

FDR and his boyz had sneaked the Carrier's out of Pearl Harbor on a Friday Night at 11:30 PM on a yellow alert. The U.S. FDR regime knew that the Japanese spy's had let Japan know the air craft Carrier's were in Pearl habor as that was the real bait, as our best newest ships, tenders and many subs had already been sent out to the N.W. and South to Palmara Island area etc.
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

FDR gave the military a six month retro-active pay raise on Dec. 1941 the men were partying for sure on Friday and Saturday night before the day of treason.

There is a real hostility now between Japan and China today because of that war. The whole mess in China, Japan, Korean War, Viet Nam War was NOT with the informed WILL or desire of our people, and our congress in the majority had been against it, FDR himself in the election of 1940 promised no war in Europe, what a blatant liar.

Just as the Rosenburg's stabbed us in the back with their actual spying and giving our secrets to their bretherin in the USSR to be used against U.S. It was also the fact the treason of FDR of helping as he called him, uncle Joe Stalin, that lead directly 100% to the bloody Korean war, which one follow's the M.O. of the FDR cabal as it was actually started by NYC/London money support, so with their bretheren in the criminal USSR with Mao's China created by them the Korean war was a go. This was to make sure that Douglas MacArthur was kept OUT of the White House in 1952 they were very afraid of any chance of that happening as it would undo all their treason since Wilson and 1913. They KNEW that the genearal was going to resign some time in 1950 so he could prepare for the election in 1952 and the General would have gone after that installed non elected fifth column, and completely clean them out of our central regime, that FDR had fully installed U.S. with such lunatic hater's.

The treason Nation destroyer parasite's knew the Genearal was at the time administrating Japan, was going to run for office, so these fifth columnist lunatic hater's got us in that very hot war in Korea with the help from their bretheren in China and the USSR, which killed 54,000 White men in the deal in just two years! Plus over 100,000 wounded knowing that the Geneal would be bogged down commanding U.S. force's. If not for the General's leadership and the sucessful Inchon landing, Korea could have been much, much worse. WW 2, Korea, and the murder of JFK spelled total victory for our fifth columnist's. Bottom is the Bloody Korean War was about keeping Douglas MacArthur out of the White, as the FDR installed Cabal were not going to give up any ground they had captured with FDR from U.S.
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Without having read the entire thread, my answer to this question is that we're actually better off staying in America than leaving. The reason I say this? More or less free speech, and the fact that it's still easy to obtain weapons here. Most other "White" countries have severe hatespeech laws, as well as nearly complete bans on firearms.

Without having read the entire thread, my answer to this question is that we're actually better off staying in America than leaving. The reason I say this? More or less free speech, and the fact that it's still easy to obtain weapons here. Most other "White" countries have severe hatespeech laws, as well as nearly complete bans on firearms.

This is a good point -- and are two of the reasons I'm still here (I have other reasons for still being here in addition). However, my concern is that America is being turned into a full-fledged Soviet Union -- the Soviet Union of North America. We know what happened in the Soviet Union: tens of millions of Aryans were brutally enslaved and murdered by the jews. I'm very much concerned that this is what lies ahead for Aryans who remain in the coming gulag of Northern Continental Kwa.

Without having read the entire thread, my answer to this question is that we're actually better off staying in America than leaving. The reason I say this? More or less free speech, and the fact that it's still easy to obtain weapons here. Most other "White" countries have severe hatespeech laws, as well as nearly complete bans on firearms.

True enough, but how long will this situation last? With Geo Bush and his neoconservatives in charge, I would say that you better do your firearm purchases and yakking-it-up now, because you will soon be joining us lost creatures here in Absurdistan.

No, American Whites should stay and fight for our American homeland.

Uh, excuse me. Are all of the current American "no, they should stay and fight" voters residing in
The Kwa?

They're not even worried about you having guns anymore. Bush letting the "assault weapons ban" expire is a prime e.g.. Buy all the fucking useless guns you want. The gun grab, if it ever comes to America, is waaaaay on the back burner. They've already drafted legislation to keep you from getting your money out of the country, the prerequisite to getting your ass out the country, but they don't seem to care about you getting a folding stock AK-47 anymore. What do you infer from that?

This tells me that they were worried about their jobs. After the AWB went into effect in 94, the Democrats got voted out of office, in part because the gun lobby was able to mobilize "conservative" voters who otherwise never would have voted in a mid term congressional race. And it wasn't Jorge's decision on whether or not to let the AWB expire. He said that if CONgress sent it back to him, he'd sign it. CONgress were in fear for their jobs, and afraid that their "conservative" base would leave them out to dry in 2004 if they passed an extension for the AWB.

Politics, man, politics. They're doing what they can, when they can. And right now, the "conservatives" don't want to put their good thing in danger. The individual "conservative" districts mostly still believe in the 2nd Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms. Hence, the House still has enough "conservatives" in fear of losing their jobs, that they dare not support attacks on the 2A and the RKBA.

And besides, I'm an American, dammit. I'll stay here as long as I think it's still useful to my cause.

Without having read the entire thread, my answer to this question is that we're actually better off staying in America than leaving. The reason I say this? More or less free speech, and the fact that it's still easy to obtain weapons here.

True as far as it goes, but we keep forgetting that Randy Weaver and David Koresh were both "well-armed" for the average citizen. That fact didn't count for much when ZOG got a hard-on for them.

Citizen firearms are no match for what the government can field, citizen free speech is no match for what mass media spews. Both are against us and working together.

Your facts are correct. It's the weight of what's against us that is hard to appreciate. A fellow with an automatic in the field might feel powerful till he's approached by a Warthog tank-buster that can literally destroy the field along with him. A fellow behind a microphone hollering the 14 words might feel powerful too but one local network affiliate has a million times his propaganda strength.

It's the scale of things. It's why they worked so hard to centralize government and media: Once done, "citizenship" became meaningless.

Consider that a majority of Americans have been against open immigration for 40 years, as one example. What good has it done? The media and government want cheap labor and they have the power to get it. That's it. Armed citizens, free speech: So what?