How do you get people to change their minds? I wish I knew, but, I'll bet advertising and sales people have a better understanding and knack for that than any of the rest of us.

A good example: Many, many years ago I was flooded. As the water began to rise in the lower level areas of my neighborhood, I had a smug and condenscending attitude about those "clucks" who had bought houses in flood-prone areas. I hate to admit this, but, my sorry attitude was probably widespread by most in the higher areas. Then I saw the water shooting UPWARDS out of the local street drain, and I knew something was really out of whack - shortly thereafter I, and many others on my street got water in our houses.

What a change in attitude. We joined in on neighorhood efforts to help get all the waterlogged things out of the houses. We would go en mass from house to house and just start hauling things out to the curb. I met neighbors I had never bothered to even speak to before. We became a BETTER neighborhood due to that calamity.

Is that what it takes? I just don't know.

I used to be very multi-cultural in my thinking. Most of my relatives still are. I can trace how my thinking got changed - we all have our own stories, usually involving some one or more events that have had a major negative impact on our lives. Several of my relatives have also had such impacts, but, have NOT changed to see the pro-white viewpoint. So I still don't have any clear insight as to how to "sell" the pro-white message.

I read son-of-sparta's messages and I think he has a clear understanding of the problem, and he can articulate it very well. I used to be the kind of fellow he despised, and, I now despise my former self. I still have to hold out hope that MOST whites can, somehow, come around to know themselves as "whites first", but, I am at a lost as to how to unlock the estoppels that prevent them from seeing what should be a natural view of life (racially oriented, of course).

I was born, raised, and lived my whole life right here in the US - I ain't going nowhere. I got nowhere to go. I had hopes for that Darby fellow in Alabama (even though he has mixed-race children), but, he only got 43% of his primary vote. What is wrong with Alabama whites? American whites are just not ready for a whiter america - not yet anyway.

America grew quickly to be the most powerful empire ever on earth. During Lincoln's war, the two most powerful armies in the world were the opposing north and south armies. Both side quickly came up with ironsides, and gattling guns got developed. Today, in spite of the massive off-shoreing of so much industry, I still think America is beyond question the most powerful empire ever on earth (as far as being able destroy other nations). We have to win here - right here. There is no other way.

Forget trying to argue with non-whites - or even listening to what they say or do. It is white americans that we have to somehow influence. If I were to guess, I would go for something silly like coming up with some avenue for entertaining whites that has a pro-white message embedded. If you go to Resist.com and play "Border Patrol", you can get the point I am trying to make. It is a fun little game that carries an embedded pro-white message. If enough whites could write stories, make dvd's, and comic books, and such, all very entertaining that were specifically targetted to still sleeping whites and had a subtle pro-white message, maybe after a while that might turn the tide.

Perplexing.

True, but i doubt it matters. There is a huge problem. These racist Americans just never seem to get it. Most of my friends are in this category and this is what I hear them say...on and on and on:

I know plenty of people who get it. I have friends calling me all the time from back home to complain about the influx of Mexicans into the Southeast. In the 2004 election, Alabama voters defeated an amendment to strike segregationist language out of the Alabama state constitution, and a few years before that the majority of white voters in Alabama voted to keep the state anti-miscegenation law. Last month, I saw a Rasmussen poll that suggested at least half of the residents of Alabama support the wholesale deportation of all illegal aliens in the United States. In my experience, the real number is much higher than that.

This is what they think, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I've gotten to the point where I no longer give a shit what happens to these goobers. Not liking niggers and spics is not enough. These racist American good-old-boys will still be thinking the same, "God bless America and God bless George Bush" bull shit when the jews are having their children butt-fucked into an American Brazil.

Enkidu

It always has to come back to the Jews, Hitler, Nazism and all sorts of other unrelated irrelevant bullshit that has nothing to do with racialism in the United States. This is nothing more than a distraction.

I know plenty of people who get it. I have friends calling me all the time from back home to complain about the influx of Mexicans into the Southeast. In the 2004 election, Alabama voters defeated an amendment to strike segregationist language out of the Alabama state constitution, and a few years before that the majority of white voters in Alabama voted to keep the state anti-miscegenation law. Last month, I saw a Rasmussen poll that suggested at least half of the residents of Alabama support the wholesale deportation of all illegal aliens in the United States.

It always has to come back to the Jews, Hitler, Nazism and all sorts of other unrelated irrelevant bullshit that has nothing to do with racialism in the United States. This is nothing more than a distraction.

What??!!!

Your own wings are melting, Deadalus. Time to fall back down to earth. (Even Icarus is already there, waiting for you.)

Hint: Jews are the reason Whites have lost their natural racialism -- everywhere in the world.

If all the productive, tax paying whites were to move to Russia, who be be left for the Kikes to feed off of? The blacks & illiterate diseased Mexishits? Those people are going to be the new worker colony that supports Israel? I don't think so. The Jews would be in a real daytime dilemma.

Putin can, and is, standing up to the Kikes / Israel / NWO International Criminals. With the talented. willing to work, productive whites from North America living in Russia [or any of the Eastern block pro-Russia countries] it would just make him that much stronger.

People give these criminal Jew bastards more credit than they are worth. Sure, they would like to run the world, there is alot of things I would like as well, but it does not mean I am going to get them. The Jews /NWO will never [again] run Russia, or Red China's sphere of influence.

I know plenty of people who get it. I have friends calling me all the time from back home to complain about the influx of Mexicans into the Southeast. In the 2004 election, Alabama voters defeated an amendment to strike segregationist language out of the Alabama state constitution, and a few years before that the majority of white voters in Alabama voted to keep the state anti-miscegenation law. Last month, I saw a Rasmussen poll that suggested at least half of the residents of Alabama support the wholesale deportation of all illegal aliens in the United States. In my experience, the real number is much higher than that.
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Good paragraph. Gives me a little hope. Maybe I've spent too much time away from the South. I spent some time in Alabama, mostly Mobile, about thirty some years ago, and I always liked it. Maybe there are Whites who just need some convincing, organization, and direction. I'll try to keep an open mind. Some advice, though, don't come to Denver, where I live. Any optimism you have will be put to the test here.

Enkidu

I remember driving out to Dauphin Island, buying a peck of oysters, dumping them out on the lawn, and sitting around with my buds, drinking beer and opening (shucking) and eating oysters. Those fellows did have more than common good sense.

Why would anyone abandon the North American continent? I can understand abandoning the metro areas, but there are millions of square miles of empty space and tens of thousands of small towns with little to no leftist government intrusion.

We need to do what WALMART did. Forget the major cities and metro areas. Go out to the sparsely populated all white areas and run for election, and grow our power structure.

Im sure the small villages of Europe have far more entrenched government oversight from thousands of years of practice.

Why would anyone abandon the North American continent? I can understand abandoning the metro areas, but there are millions of square miles of empty space and tens of thousands of small towns with little to no leftist government intrusion.

We need to do what WALMART did. Forget the major cities and metro areas. Go out to the sparsely populated all white areas and run for election, and grow our power structure.

Im sure the small villages of Europe have far more entrenched government oversight from thousands of years of practice.

The problem will come when the sovietization of the kwa deepens. JOG will come after White dissidents whether in the cities or small towns and put Whites in concentration camps or just outright shoot them -- by the millions. That's what they did in the USSR. We can expect the same here. JOG will also close the borders against Whites and not permit our emigration. That's what they did in the USSR. We can expect the same.

It's just a question of time. JOG is clearly moving steadily in that direction.

But Russia was filled with unarmed, uneducated, peasant farmers in 1917.

We have far, far, more firepower available to us, and knowledge from the internet.

It wont be that easy for them as it was back in 1917, but I hope they think it will be, cause it will be to our benefit that they willingly lay their head on the chopping block.

I am honestly more irritated by the moronic comments in this thread than I am by anything else I see in the 'kwa. It distresses me deeply to think that even among racially aware Whites there still exists such stupidity.

I urge everyone here to read the Turner Diaries. If you've already done so, read it again. If you need a copy, PM me and I'll mail you one.

We're not going to "entertain" the white lemmings to our side. They are lemmings. Lemmings. Lemmings. Lemmings. Lemmings. Say it to yourself 10 times. Get it through your head. Read/listen to Pierce's ADVs and stop trying to re-learn what we already have known. It took Dr. Pierce years to fully realize the problem, but he finally understood the lemming issue. Lemmings will come to our side when they come to know fear. When attending a niggerball game means risking an i.e.d. attack; when wearing a niggerball jersey means dodging a sniper's bullet; whites will come to dislike niggersports. When hiring a non-White means putting your family at risk of violent retribution; when they fear the wrath of the insurgent more than they fear the jew, all Whites will answer the call. The only hope for Whites everywhere is that soon a hardened core of real Aryans will rise from our diluted gene pool and do what must be done to heal our people. These Aryan men will not hesitate to wash their hands in the blood of any who oppose us, including other Whites. They'll not be squeamish, and they'll not hold their own lives and welfare above all else.

The lemmings are sick and need discipline to cure them. Discipline is the answer and we've all known it for years. While I agree it is entertaining to pontificate and discuss a thousand what-ifs, we mustn't lose sight of reality. The answer is violence on a massive scale. Another million words won't change that.

Until then, racially conscious Whites should plan to relocate to an area where they can benefit from interpersonal networking and comraderie. I am willing to do so. I'd like someone to create a poll to gage the interest in relocation ala libertoon free-staters.

First of all, you gotta remember, Germany is the size of Oregon, with 80 million people.
The great thing about America is it's HUGE. 6% of the land in the US is developed, now I don't know if that means, developed as in, houses and buildings, or as in farm land too.
Also, Canda is HUGE. Canada has LOTS of oil, too, which is going to keep your economy strong into the future. The standard of living is going to be largely determined by your petroleum reserves in the years to come.

Those European countries are tiny, tiny compared to the size of the US and Canada. You gotta see the US as , a bunch of stupid laws nobody really obeys, just like immigration laws, so why get all bent out of shape over it. the fact is, your community sets the real laws of decency, just like pornography, no federal laws, but local laws often forbid it.

but it looks like the Euro is headed for world currency domination, if that happens, Europe will be the new economic Colossus, America will go to shit fast once the stores suddenly can't stock 'made in china' crap anymore.

Plus, not speaking the language can be sorta crappy and difficult, I guess the older you get, the harder it is to learn a new language.

also, unless you got some kind of skill those countries want, it's not like it's easy to get citizenship. That guy in the article obviously had high tech skills some German company wanted, so he could get in. If you wanted to emigrate, you would probably have to go there illegally, like the non-whites, which would require alot more intelligence, (knowing how to fake documents, lie, etc)

Also, did you know a driver's license in Germany costs 4000 dollars? You can drive 200 mph on the autobahn, but you're in a country the size of Oregon, so you can't drive for 3,000 miles across the country.

If 20 million Germans would just stop living stacked like sardines in old overpriced apartments suckling off the government teat, they could come over to America and buy 160 acres for $1000 per acre and farm it with ease. We could shore up our White population while relieving Europe's overcrowding problem. But it just aint happening.

I created a poll in civil: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=34670

I don't think a strategic retreat equals cowardice at all. A strategic retreat is just that -- a strategy for final victory. If an area becomes indefensible because it has already been overrun by the enemy, a rational approach is to retreat and regroup in order to attack the enemy from a concentrated position of strength, rather than from a diluted position of weakness.

"Strategic retreat" implies a strategy. Leaving your homeland with all of its resources and running off to another country is not a strategy -- it is an exercise in wishful thinking, laziness and cowardice. You make me want to puke ... after I beat the hell out of you.

Why run away from the enemy when they are providing us with so many targets? I like not having to hunt for the bastards, searching them out and picking them off like little fleas. I like having lots of enemies to vent my rage and suffer my vengence. You chicken shits think you have a "stategic retreat" when the damned kikes are howling for your blood? Dream on! These scum have oozed themselves into every corner of the globe to work their evil. Run, chicken, run. But you will only find your troubles already waiting for you wherever you go.

"This is my country. This is my people. This we will defend."

You little boys listen to Glenn Miller's speeches and maybe get some backbone. Surf over to Google.Video and fill your eyes and ears with some smarts and fill your hearts with courage:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9158422089779051101&q=Glenn+Miller

You call my country a "stinking, sinking ship of Kwa"! Boy, I will kick the hell right out of you for that insult. You punk!