Hey Brother, I've read alot of your posts and you definitely seem like a guy that's got a good head on his shoulders, and the NSM would be lucky to have a proud aryan like yourself in their organization.

Not to take this off topic, but what's the difference between National Vanguard and the NSM. I'm aware of the difference is attire, so I guess my question is what's the difference in their priciples if any?

And with regards to joining or not joining the NSM, I think the answer is simple, do what your gut tells you. And it's better to die trying, than to die doing nothing at all..... :cheers:

Hehe, well I guess they could turn me down, especially after arguing with Bill White on this forum a few times.

Arguing with me doesn't disqualify you from the NSM.

I see it this way. Either I can start a NS group or I can join NSM-or apply anyway. I have the app filled out and lying here on my kitchen table. I only have to go and get the money order for the dues and a couple of passport photos. I figure, why dilute the NS pool by trying to start another NS group?

So, fellow VNNers, should I send the app in? I applied for a nonuniform position. I value the advice of fellow VNNers. In fact, what says JP with this being a nonuniform position that I requested?

OK. I will see what you guys have to say. :cheers:

I think you should send it in.

Hey Brother, I've read alot of your posts and you definitely seem like a guy that's got a good head on his shoulders, and the NSM would be lucky to have a proud aryan like yourself in their organization.

Not to take this off topic, but what's the difference between National Vanguard and the NSM. I'm aware of the difference is attire, so I guess my question is what's the difference in their priciples if any?

And with regards to joining or not joining the NSM, I think the answer is simple, do what your gut tells you. And it's better to die trying, than to die doing nothing at all..... :cheers:

The difference is the Weenie.

As to principes, we are national socialists. National Vanguard likes to conceal its national socialist orientation, and appeal by taking an extreme view on mainstream issues.

deathtozog - In the end, you need to make the best choice for you. What do you like about the NSM, and why did you pick them?

It's like coming here and asking about two jobs. Should you get a trade, or stay clean in the office? In the end, you need to pick, but the key is that you need to work.

Same goes with the NSM. If you don't join them, I'd suggest joining someone, and soon. A local skin or Nationalist group - something. Posting on boards does little for us.
My feelings on the NSM is they get a bad rap by some, especially for the hard work they do.
Like you, I sat with an application too. I mailed mine to the NSM last week in full confidence.

If you don't like the uniforms, its not a must to wear. There are different areas to help them, but you must like who you join. For me, its a passion for Nazi Germany.

Make the best choice for yourself, but for sure join some group, its the only way this world will start changing.

Aryan

deathtozog If you don't like the uniforms, its not a must to wear. There are different areas to help them, but you must like who you join. For me, its a passion for Nazi Germany.

I think the belief that all NSM members must wear uniforms is a misconception.

However, after you've attended an NSM event or two and gotten comfortable with the concept, you will find it hard not to wear it.

I say join.

Thanks, guys! I think I will send the app in. I have to find somewhere that does passport photos.

billwhite:Arguing with me doesn't disqualify you from the NSM.

Glad to hear that. :cheers:

I think you should send it in.

Will do.

Hey Brother, I've read alot of your posts and you definitely seem like a guy that's got a good head on his shoulders, and the NSM would be lucky to have a proud aryan like yourself in their organization.

Not to take this off topic, but what's the difference between National Vanguard and the NSM. I'm aware of the difference is attire, so I guess my question is what's the difference in their priciples if any?

And with regards to joining or not joining the NSM, I think the answer is simple, do what your gut tells you. And it's better to die trying, than to die doing nothing at all..... :cheers:

I don't know a whole lot about National Vanguard other than they are not militant enough for me. I like confrontation and am willing to get out in the streets. I know that NV does do some protesting and flyering, I won't disparage them. But, you don't know much I wished I had been at Toledo standing with the NSM against the criminal, murderous niggers. Besides that, VONBLUVENS is not pulling any punches with his show.

Thanks for the response.

deathtozog - In the end, you need to make the best choice for you. What do you like about the NSM, and why did you pick them?

They have balls. They tell it like it is and they don't worry about the naysayers and the jewsmedia. That is what I like about them.

It's like coming here and asking about two jobs. Should you get a trade, or stay clean in the office? In the end, you need to pick, but the key is that you need to work.

You are right. I made the choice for a trade and I know that NS is built for the worker. It has its intellectual luminaries but is designed to protect the average guy like me.

Same goes with the NSM. If you don't join them, I'd suggest joining someone, and soon. A local skin or Nationalist group - something. Posting on boards does little for us.

I agree. VONBLUVENS calls it jacking off on the keyboard. The computer is good for venting or, in the case of Stormfront, educating newbies and taking antis down a notch. Other than that, it makes no real world change.

My feelings on the NSM is they get a bad rap by some, especially for the hard work they do.
Like you, I sat with an application too. I mailed mine to the NSM last week in full confidence.

Consider mine right behind yours.

If you don't like the uniforms, its not a must to wear. There are different areas to help them, but you must like who you join. For me, its a passion for Nazi Germany.

Absolutely. The Third Reich was the best example of a White society that I can think of.

Make the best choice for yourself, but for sure join some group, its the only way this world will start changing.

Aryan

Agreed!

BTW: I am near Asheville in North Carolina.

Not to take this off topic, but what's the difference between National Vanguard and the NSM. I'm aware of the difference is attire, so I guess my question is what's the difference in their priciples if any?

National Vanguard is a White Nationalist organization not a National Socialist organization. I think that I can pretty safely say. Though some members might consider themselves National Socialists, there are many others who might define themselves as anything from traditional constitutionalists to libertarians.

I suggest that if you really are confused that you read the What is National Vanguard here
http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6678

and then compare it to the NSM 25 points of National Socialism
http://www.nsm88.com/25points/25pointsengl.html

As you will see there are common points as well as differences. National Vanguard is for some and the NSM for others.

See my comments contrasting the two:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=26077

There is no white nationalism without national socialism!

National Vanguard is a White Nationalist organization not a National Socialist organization. I think that I can pretty safely say. Though some members might consider themselves National Socialists, there are many others who might define themselves as anything from traditional constitutionalists to libertarians.

I suggest that if you really are confused that you read the What is National Vanguard here
http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6678

and then compare it to the NSM 25 points of National Socialism
http://www.nsm88.com/25points/25pointsengl.html

As you will see there are common points as well as differences. National Vanguard is for some and the NSM for others.

The difference is the Weenie.

Now that pisses me off. Another strike against you. You need to grow up and start acting like an adult instead of a 4th grader who calls names. I cannot imagine men in the Third Reich calling each other Weenies.........

National Vanguard is a White Nationalist organization not a National Socialist organization. I think that I can pretty safely say. Though some members might consider themselves National Socialists, there are many others who might define themselves as anything from traditional constitutionalists to libertarians.

I suggest that if you really are confused that you read the What is National Vanguard here
http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6678

and then compare it to the NSM 25 points of National Socialism
http://www.nsm88.com/25points/25pointsengl.html

As you will see there are common points as well as differences. National Vanguard is for some and the NSM for others.

Thanks April, and sorry for stealing your thread brother.....

The reason to support the NSM is that you know EXACTLY what you getting with them.

No bullshitting, no trying to be politically correct, no trying to deny they are racist or supremacist. The message the NSM stands for is clear. Love them or hate them, you know exactly where they stand. Schoep is not going to go the media saying "we aren't racist, we are here just to (fill in the blank).

If I am not mistaken, you don't have to wear a uniform to join the NSM.

I'm sending 50 dollars to the NSM on my next payday in two weeks time to help with transportation expenses to Toledo. I can't come (I'm hearing impaired).