There's much wisdom in the above post, our challenge really is the White masses. And I happen to agree with Rounder's snowball recruiting methods, there's something to it, and let's give credit where credit is due, Rounder actually achieved results that have yet to be repeated, sadly.

White Nationalism must grow in size, number. So long as demonstrations and thought remain small in number our agenda will not be perceived as strong, and strength impresses our people and will breed success.

I would say look for some increases in upstate NY. Hal gave a great speech today. I would like to have heard Vonbluvens give one, too.

Thanks, Rounder. I am not sure that I would be the man for that sort of job but I will consider the options.

WTF, I have told JP Slovjanski over and over to get off of his dead ass and do something like that. He is ten times smarter than I am. I guess jacking off on the keyboard is more satisfying for him.

Rounder, the state of North Carolina makes it damn near impossible to get on a ballot unless you are Dem or Rep. I guess you know that. But, what the hell, if Harold Covington could get the high numbers he did when he ran for Attorney General then I could give it a try.

OTOH, why dilute the numbers of other White orgs.

@Bill White: what do you think of the RaHoWa people at Creativity? What about New Order-I know they are not a political party.

I still intend to join NSM. The message from Commander Schoep makes it clear-no sugarcoating by NSM.

Well, think about it. J.P. too. You'll never know how successful you'd be til you try, ya know. It's kinda like a new job. Remember how you threw yourself fully into mastering it? That's it. That's what it takes to build a successful WN group.

As for Covington's large vote, ha !!, it was a fluke. He did not campaign at all, just sat on his fat ass at party HQ and waited for election day. 99.9 percent of voters on election day didn't know diddily squat about him, except that his name was on the ballot. 2-man state wide race. Just an illustration of the ignorance and apathy of NC voters in the 70's. I swear that's all true.

I hope this isn't a stupid fucking question, but can you join both NV and NSM? I really like both groups, everyone is white and ultimately have the same goals the only differences are the tactics, which isn't an issue for me..

You know, I don't know if we allow cross-membership in other groups. We certainly allow our members to belong to other white nationalist religious groups -- like the World Church of the Creator -- and encourage members of other groups to participate in our events.

I know National Vanguard does not allow simultaneous group memberships, though.

Shall we start regional or state threads in the Activism section and begin to network?

@Bill White: what do you think of the RaHoWa people at Creativity?

My personal opinion of Creativity, or the NSM opinion?

The NSM opinion is that Creators are welcome in our organization.

My personal opinion? I think Tradition is a fully developed form of which Creativity possesses some rudiments.

I never cared for Matt Hale's style of activism, and his open encouragement of violence and his constant flirting with breaking the law, but he was set up and I am very sympathetic to the cause of freeing him and eliminating the current trademark-related ban on the group.

What about New Order-I know they are not a political party.

The New Order is what Matt Koehl turned the NSWPP into after it fell apart, if I recall?

I have no real opinion on the group. I'm sure our Chairman does, but the NSM has no official position. to my knowledge.

Well, think about it. J.P. too. You'll never know how successful you'd be til you try, ya know. It's kinda like a new job. Remember how you threw yourself fully into mastering it? That's it. That's what it takes to build a successful WN group.

More people should listen to you on this issue since, as Whitefist says, you did do it.

As for Covington's large vote, ha !!, it was a fluke. He did not campaign at all, just sat on his fat ass at party HQ and waited for election day. 99.9 percent of voters on election day didn't know diddily squat about him, except that his name was on the ballot. 2-man state wide race. Just an illustration of the ignorance and apathy of NC voters in the 70's. I swear that's all true.

The voters here are no better now than in the 70s. State officials steal so much money they have the sales tax rate almost as has as TNs and TN has no income tax. Lottery is on the way and I bet they can't wait to steal that.

Covington's bid pops up on Jewgle searches about NS.

I would say look for some increases in upstate NY. Hal gave a great speech today. I would like to have heard Vonbluvens give one, too.

DTZ, I think Rounder made two great posts, and his suggestion you strike out on your own is actually a rather insightful suggestion. We do have a very bad habit of talking to ourselves in this movement, almost exclusively, and not striving seriously to recruit frustrated and fed up White folk.

By no means did I ever consider the NA to be anywhere near as effective or even as well organized as it might have been, but in the years since Dr. Pierce's passing I think its abscence is being felt. To a certain extent it was the only game in town, and its breakup has in no way been a positive, one might even argue we've lost ground.

The problem we have now, and will increasingly have into the future is that legitimate White political organizing is going to imo be made more and more difficult by law. The Jew is tightening its grip around our throats and will not allow some White political entity to just form up and challenge their power. I was struck by Chain's reporting of his TAA cross country distribution, where he mentioned getting stopped by a LEO who saw all of the TAAs in his car, and paraphrasing Chain, the LEO thought Chain would get 10 years! That speaks volumes for how brainwashed the masses have become, things still legally protected in the Constitution are thought to be criminal!

I think the worse is better theory is definitely going to be tested in the near future, because things are definitely getting worse...

There's much wisdom in the above post, our challenge really is the White masses. And I happen to agree with Rounder's snowball recruiting methods, there's something to it, and let's give credit where credit is due, Rounder actually achieved results that have yet to be repeated, sadly.

White Nationalism must grow in size, number. So long as demonstrations and thought remain small in number our agenda will not be perceived as strong, and strength impresses our people and will breed success.

Believe me, 1,000 angry White men in the streets on a regular basis, with the natural resulting media coverage, will stampede the masses into joining or supporting such a WN organization. Just underneath the conscious minds of tens-of-millions of White people, there dwells deep and intense racial hatreds that are suppressed by fear of of the consequences of expressing them publicly. But a well led, and successful appearing group of a thousand in-the-streets White men, will cause large numbers to throw off their chains of fear, cowardice, and apathy, and join and/or provide tangible support to that group of proven, courageous White men.

Strong young, fully committed White men, with average intelligence and jew-wise, can EASILY bring 1,000 White men together, if they only commit fully to the task.

Read this shit, Rounder, and tell me the world today is not one fucked up mess!

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=308064&postcount=4

Believe me, 1,000 angry White men in the streets on a regular basis, with the natural resulting media coverage, will stampede the masses into joining or supporting such a WN organization. Just underneath the conscious minds of tens-of-millions of White people, there dwells deep and intense racial hatreds that are suppressed by fear of of the consequences of expressing them publicly. But a well led, and successful appearing group of a thousand in-the-streets White men, will cause large numbers to throw off their chains of fear, cowardice, and apathy, and join and/or provide tangible support to that group of proven, courageous White men.

Strong young, fully committed White men, with average intelligence and jew-wise, can EASILY bring 1,000 White men together, if they only commit fully to the task.

I happen to agree completely with you on that, there is now one big problem developing which is that our opposition is making it increasingly difficult for that type of political activity and organizing. Nevertheless, the method you advocate is needed more than ever, and today more so then ever before as the stakes are so high, we really don't have tomorrow to wait for...

Read this shit, Rounder, and tell me the world today is not one fucked up mess!

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=308064&postcount=4

Sickening alright. And who can forget the million-nigger-man march on Washington ?? We're down. Not doubt about it. But we're far from out. We have fists and brains, and also free speech, the press, and assembly. We've just got to exercise them moreso than in the past. Besides, we've got nothing to lose but our chains, and our backs are to the wall.

But life is short, and Valhalla and the Valkyries await those who fight the good fight. So let's get on with it. Who the hell wants to go to heaven and sit around on clouds next to fat, naked nigger women, with nigger cupid babies buzzing and farting around your head all day ?? See what I mean ??

You know, I don't know if we allow cross-membership in other groups. We certainly allow our members to belong to other white nationalist religious groups -- like the World Church of the Creator -- and encourage members of other groups to participate in our events.

I know National Vanguard does not allow simultaneous group memberships, though.

Message: 13 NSMWorld@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 03:59:36 -0000
From: "brownshirt882000"
Subject: No More Second Chances

Comrades,
This last national meeting that was held on april 16 2005 , was in my opinion one of our best so far! The enthusiasm and Comradeship that was evident on every last one of our Member's faces. I still am highly motivated by that Meeting and by all of my Comrades both old and new. There is one thing that was not addressed there that will be addressed here on our Egroups list. There are no more second chances for ANYONE who cannot behave like a proper ARYAN !!

We had one ugly incident that slightly marred the National Meeting and that has now gotten out of control. One of our (NSM) Members Rick Monbarron was attacked and almost beaten within an inch of his life by a known trouble maker in our Stormtroop ranks- (KKKGrand Dragon) Mike Mcqueeney who is know for his disgusting self-promoting and arrogant manners- who has now , with the aid of an unsuspected fellow Klansman, begun a underhanded and lie filled campaign to drive our Allies away.

A letter written states that Mcqueeney was attacked by six members of the N.S.M. and hospitalised because of this beating!

And goes on to Urge all Klans as well as other White Organizations to boycott the N.S.M.'s rally in Yorktown ,VA in June! There are many comrades who were present after Rick MonBarren was severely beaten and who saw Mcqueeney and witnessed his JEW LIKE BEHAVIOR after the incident- he attempted to force his way into SS Mann (Wallace) Jones's room and tried to hide there but was told to leave- he then proceeded to make matters worse by saying that Rick "ambushed" him and he lost his gold chain ect. Anyone who witnessed the aftermath and saw Rick KNOWS who did what there is no question that Mike Mcqueeney committed an unprovoked act of aggression that could have nearly killed Rick Monbarron.

You may be asking yourselves why this is being brought up?

It is very simple, the N.S.M. WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE childlike and destructive behavior from anyone within in it's Ranks! Physical aggression-verbal aggression or other behaviors that cause tension within our Ranks is no longer tolerated.

Those Members who cannot behave properly will be given a DISHONOURABLE DISCHARGE and their NIGGARDLY BEHAVIOR will be documented and shown to the general Party Membership.

Our Party is growing by leaps and bounds it does not need problems from within, as we have enough enemies on the outside! Anyone who is engaging in illegal behavior needs to be spotlighted immediately !

Report all activities that go against the N.S.M.'s Rules and Regulations to the (SS) Security Squad ! What may seem simple and small on the outside is usually more complex and uglier inside. One last issue to discuss is the duel memberships that some of our Comrades hold. It , in the past , was allowed and thought to be harmless-I mean we're all Comrades right?! Those who hold duel membership have often been, our worst enemies.

Those who have remained with the Party and held No other political membership -ie Klan - White Revolution - WCOTC - A.N. (Aryan Nations) - Skinheads - have been the most loyal and productive Members period. This does not mean religious organization or affiliations-religious Orgs. I spoke with Stormtroop Leader Tim Bishop this evening and he agrees with that statement to the point of , active NSM Stormtroopers should not belong to any other Political Organizations ! This can only improve our Ranks and help us to obtain our goals faster !

Hail the Commander !
Hail the NSM !
Heil Hitler !

NSM-SS Sturmscharführer Richard Brunson

Moderators note: The agressor of that fight was expelled from the NSM, and our Party is much stronger for setting the example and handling the dysfunctionalism accordingly. The NSM is a serious, hardcore Organization and we will not tolerate any form of insubordination whatsoever. We value quality members over sheer quantity. Those who cause trouble, and/or bring shame upon our Party will be shown the door!

There are at least 2 dozen bright, strong, young jew-wise men on this forum with the capabilities to easily and quickly build a successful and active WN organization much larger than this one. Hell, a high school drop out tanked up on beer much of the time, built this one, didn't he? Well then, just imagine what you can build cold sober, and clear headed. See what I mean ??

If there are any NSM members reading this thread, perhaps they could clarify a few of the "25 Points" for me:

25 POINTS OF AMERICAN NATIONAL SOCIALISM

Point 3: We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle surplus population.

This statement is way to vague. Which "lands" and which "territories" does the NSM demand?

Point 8:In view of the enormous personal sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

So US companies that make military aircraft, tanks, etc,would not be allowed a profit for their efforts? They would instead have to design and build these weapon systems for free?

Point 12: We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

McDonald's is a corporation. Are you saying the government would nationalize them and go into the hamburger-making business?

Point 16: However, we support the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation when deemed necessary for land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare.

This sounds like communism to me. How does it differ from what the Soviets did in the USSR?

Point 18: We demand that Roman edict law, which serves a materialistic new world order, be replaced by Anglo-Saxon common law.

Can you explain how Anglo-Saxon common law works, in contrast to today's legal system?

Point 24: We demand absolute religious freedom for all denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence nor offend the moral feelings of the White race.

Can you name which religious denominations currently meet this standard?

Point 25: To put the whole program into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central national government for the nation; the unconditional authority of the political central parliament over the entire nation and its organizations; and the formation of committees for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the nation and the various American States.

Could you please explain what this point means, in plainer English?

Thank you.

Can you explain how Anglo-Saxon common law works, in contrast to today's legal system?

You should know the answer to this one, 14.

We should have common law right now in all states except for Louisiana. We do not. Judicial activism is a prime example.

You are way too smart for me to think that you don't know what the Common Law is.