I am not going to post on every NSM/uniforms topic on this board. I have presented a clear, logical case as to why one would not want to emulate the image of an already villified, foriegn paramilitary organization, as well as why it is insane to believe that one's ideology must be tied to some kind of image.

The libraries and bookstores are filled with VOLUMES of work on the subject of revolution, insurgency- not only by people that have studied these topics for years and sometimes decades but also from the people that ACTUALLY LED THOSE REVOLUTIONS.

Also if I have not stated it before- the idea that NSM could ever come to power without insurgent tactics is beyond laughable. Once you commit to trying to take power legally, based on this country's legal system, you must rely ENTIRELY ON POPULAR SUPPORT. Insurgents have the luxury of various coerce measures, both direct and indirect, to gain popular support or at least sympathy from the population. The legal road to political power in a nation like the United States does not allow any coercive measures- a fact that is self-evident.

Let's not forget that we live in a two-party system where we have not had a third-party candidate in the executive branch since the Whig party, and few "independents" are truly independent. So the idea that NSM is going to accomplish what the reform party and the greens have not been able to do is a laugh riot. But there's just ONE little problem beyond that.

The political platform of the NSM in many areas contains brazen violations of the Constitution, the Highest Law in the Land. So if legality is the watchword, NSM President Schoep or whoever they run would have some SERIOUS problems getting his 25 points through inspection.

Oh and one last thing....WHY limit the platform of a modern National Socialist movement to 25? Things have become a LOT more complicated in modern times]

Then take Rounder's advice in this thread and start a new NS party. You seem to have the answers.

As for the 25 points being in violation of the Constitution, I would say you are incorrect, my friend. The original documents don't count. Medicare and Social Security are NS schemes that violate the Constitution. Any part of Title 42 of the US Code violates the Constitution. Courts and Congress do not follow the founding documents. The Executive branch does not, either, since, with the stroke of a pen Executive Orders are enacted with force of law.

NSM is gaining JP. I know you don't like that. Dont like NSM? Take Rounder's advice and let us see what kind of party organization you can come up with. I challenge you, since you are the "warrior-poet", the intellectual that knows more than the rest of us about NS. Time for you to put up or shut up. In fact, I will lay a $100 wager that you don't have the stones to start an org. I am so serious that I am willing to send the money to Alex Linder or Chain or someone on VNN of your choosing to hold in escrow until the time has passed..

How bout it JP?

The average kwan is of such low quality that he'd shoot himself if he had any self awareness.
-Joe from Ohio

 

Then take Rounder's advice in this thread and start a new NS party. You seem to have the answers.

As for the 25 points being in violation of the Constitution, I would say you are incorrect, my friend. The original documents don't count. Medicare and Social Security are NS schemes that violate the Constitution. Any part of Title 42 of the US Code violates the Constitution. Courts and Congress do not follow the founding documents. The Executive branch does not, either, since, with the stroke of a pen Executive Orders are enacted with force of law.

If you can't see how NSM's procedures clearly violate the constitution, you might want to read it a little more. Remember that this only applies if NSM continues to seek power through the normal legal means as some have claimed.

NSM is gaining JP.

Gaining what? Every white org is always "gaining".

I know you don't like that. Dont like NSM? Take Rounder's advice and let us see what kind of party organization you can come up with. I challenge you, since you are the "warrior-poet", the intellectual that knows more than the rest of us about NS. Time for you to put up or shut up. In fact, I will lay a $100 wager that you don't have the stones to start an org. I am so serious that I am willing to send the money to Alex Linder or Chain or someone on VNN of your choosing to hold in escrow until the time has passed..

How bout it JP?

More chest-beating nonsense that prevents the WN movement from becoming a real movement. I am not stupid enough to post the details of my political ambitions on a public forum for the world to see. Take comfort in the fact that when I am officially the head of some "org"- I won't be so petty as to demand you make good on your $100 wager. I would prefer you to donate it to one of the many charities that would be working for the cause.

Rounder - I remember the NSPA did well in Chicago in the late 70's when they stood candidates in municipal elections also.

I was a member of the NSPA (1976-80) in Raleigh, but only met a dozen or so Chicago members, including their kike leader, Frank Collins. Short, dark, little hook-nosed punk. Covington told us he was Black Irish. But yes, I understand the Chicago NSPA chapters had quite of few active members, especially under the leadership of the kike, who as you probably know, was sent to prison for child molestation - 1978 I think it was.

If you can't see how NSM's procedures clearly violate the constitution, you might want to read it a little more. Remember that this only applies if NSM continues to seek power through the normal legal means as some have claimed.

Due to jew hijacking, the US government has not followed the Constitution in many years. You know, the nigger Supreme Court Justice Marshall once stated in a speech that the Civil War destroyed the Constitution.

Gaining what? Every white org is always "gaining".

Well, perhaps, but NSM is making strides and they gained a lot of respect in Toledo and even some in Kingston for shouting down the antis.

More chest-beating nonsense that prevents the WN movement from becoming a real movement. I am not stupid enough to post the details of my political ambitions on a public forum for the world to see. Take comfort in the fact that when I am officially the head of some "org"- I won't be so petty as to demand you make good on your $100 wager. I would prefer you to donate it to one of the many charities that would be working for the cause.

Not chest beating nonsense at all. Rounder showed how he did it. Now it is time for you to step up to the plate. My wager, if accepted, applies for 6 months. In that time, you should at the very least have a website up, a chapter somewhere consisting of at least one dozen members and some kind of print publication. You must also have at least one demonstration/rally somewhere at which you speak. It does not matter how many attend the rally or how long it lasts. You just have to have it and have at least some sort of media coverage of it as proof. Those are the terms. Not chest beating. I just see a lot of criticism out of you and I see some good ideas as well. Time for you to quit wasting your time, energy and innate talent in jacking off on the keyboard, as VONBLUVENS says. [btw Bluvie, you need to lose some weight and quit the cigarettes]

How bout it Rounder? A second on this from you?

Just in case you wonder, JP. I am not a philosopher, nor am I a leader. That is why I am not doing it. I am not an idiot but I do know that there are many, including you, much brighter than I and capable of launching a real NS movement to set the nation ablaze. I also have a child that I have to provide for. Ignoring my familial obligations is not an option.

Then take Rounder's advice in this thread and start a new NS party. You seem to have the answers.

As for the 25 points being in violation of the Constitution, I would say you are incorrect, my friend. The original documents don't count. Medicare and Social Security are NS schemes that violate the Constitution. Any part of Title 42 of the US Code violates the Constitution. Courts and Congress do not follow the founding documents. The Executive branch does not, either, since, with the stroke of a pen Executive Orders are enacted with force of law.

NSM is gaining JP. I know you don't like that. Dont like NSM? Take Rounder's advice and let us see what kind of party organization you can come up with. I challenge you, since you are the "warrior-poet", the intellectual that knows more than the rest of us about NS. Time for you to put up or shut up. In fact, I will lay a $100 wager that you don't have the stones to start an org. I am so serious that I am willing to send the money to Alex Linder or Chain or someone on VNN of your choosing to hold in escrow until the time has passed..

How bout it JP?

D.Z, don't try to sic J.P. on me. I'll have you know that J.P. is now on my "atta-boy" list, and for honorable reasons - 60 to be exact.

I don't like to badmouth White men with guts who take our Cause into the streets, including those belonging to WN groups. But as I've stated before, I spent 4 long years in the NSPA, working my ass off, trying my best to recruit members. I recruited exactly 3 - 2 useless drunks, and a man too cowardly to wear a swastika armband in public.

And I don't mean to put you young fellows on the spot by chiding yaw'll about starting your own WN groups. But I admit I sure would like to see some of yaw'll do just that.

Those on here who either contribute, or distribute, or both are my friends. The rest of the jew-wise alleged VNN'ers are proven parasites.

D.Z, don't try to sic J.P. on me. I'll have you know that J.P. is now on my "atta-boy" list, and for honorable reasons - 60 to be exact.

I don't like to badmouth White men with guts who take our Cause into the streets, including those belonging to WN groups. But as I've stated before, I spent 4 long years in the NSPA, working my ass off, trying my best to recruit members. I recruited exactly 3 - 2 useless drunks, and a man too cowardly to wear a swastika armband in public.

And I don't mean to put you young fellows on the spot by chiding yaw'll about starting your own WN groups. But I admit I sure would like to see some of yaw'll do just that.

Those on here who either contribute, or distribute, or both are my friends. The rest of the jew-wise alleged VNN'ers are proven parasites.

Not trying to sic JP on you, Rounder. I just think he is pissing away his good talent by just posting here and reading books. That does not translate into real world activism. I have started a thread on the issue so I won't say anymore on this one about it.

Not chest beating nonsense at all. Rounder showed how he did it. Now it is time for you to step up to the plate. My wager, if accepted, applies for 6 months. In that time, you should at the very least have a website up, a chapter somewhere consisting of at least one dozen members and some kind of print publication. You must also have at least one demonstration/rally somewhere at which you speak. It does not matter how many attend the rally or how long it lasts. You just have to have it and have at least some sort of media coverage of it as proof. Those are the terms. Not chest beating. I just see a lot of criticism out of you and I see some good ideas as well. Time for you to quit wasting your time, energy and innate talent in jacking off on the keyboard, as VONBLUVENS says. [btw Bluvie, you need to lose some weight and quit the cigarettes]

None of that activity will make one bit of difference in terms of the racial struggle. I only work toward that which does. I am sorry that doing so does not produce publicized events in short amounts of time but that's simply the way it is. Revolutionaries don't become overt until they have a plan, organizational structure, and a cadre of trusted people at the very least.

For me to start a new WN Org in the tradition of the "movement" would just be another mailing list empire with nothing new to add but some logos and fliers. The problem with the movement organizations hasn't been a lack of such orgs but rather their very structure and form. They are not planned with much thought, they lack secrecy and counter-intelligence, and their goals are often vague and ambiguous.

I was a member of the NSPA (1976-80) in Raleigh, but only met a dozen or so Chicago members, including their kike leader, Frank Collins. Short, dark, little hook-nosed punk. Covington told us he was Black Irish. But yes, I understand the Chicago NSPA chapters had quite of few active members, especially under the leadership of the kike, who as you probably know, was sent to prison for child molestation - 1978 I think it was.

Yeah Frank "Cohen" Collin ... what is it with these Jews who are so fascinated with National Socialism ? GD Kikes even sell NS armbands The point I was making is that an open National Socialist Party did well in elections, meaning that there is an underlying sympathy for us amoung the masses. Nobody knows who you vote for when you go to the voting booth. I believe they stood as the "White Power Party" in Chicago.

None of that activity will make one bit of difference in terms of the racial struggle. I only work toward that which does. I am sorry that doing so does not produce publicized events in short amounts of time but that's simply the way it is. Revolutionaries don't become overt until they have a plan, organizational structure, and a cadre of trusted people at the very least.

How long do you plan to ride solo on this? As long as you do, you're just playing "fantasy revolutionary". Why not develop that cadre of trusted people who can help you with your plan and organizational structure. There are a handful of good people right here on this board who seem willing to join with you right now.

For me to start a new WN Org in the tradition of the "movement" would just be another mailing list empire with nothing new to add but some logos and fliers. The problem with the movement organizations hasn't been a lack of such orgs but rather their very structure and form. They are not planned with much thought, they lack secrecy and counter-intelligence, and their goals are often vague and ambiguous.

Why would you start a new organization based on the same structure and failed policies that you denigrate so often? I don't think anyone is asking you to do that. Are you the only one who realizes that the current WN movement is a joke? I think not. You certainly are one of the most vocal, so why not put your money where your mouth is? There is no better time than right now!

"The National Socialist doctrine, as I have always proclaimed, is not for export. It was conceived for the German people.".........Adolf Hitler

"Never have we left anyone in doubt that National-Socialism is not for export"......Joseph Goebbels

"The National Socialist doctrine, as I have always proclaimed, is not for export. It was conceived for the German people.".........Adolf Hitler

"Never have we left anyone in doubt that National-Socialism is not for export"......Joseph Goebbels

Pride of Ownership, nothing more.

"The National Socialist doctrine, as I have always proclaimed, is not for export. It was conceived for the German people.".........Adolf Hitler

"Never have we left anyone in doubt that National-Socialism is not for export"......Joseph Goebbels

I think perhaps Goebbels was assuring potential foreign enemies that Germany would not try to export National Socialism into their capitalist/democratic countries - to relieve their fears about that. But it's just my guess.

As a southerner, the Confederate Battle Flag inspires me, as it does tens-of-millions of others whose forefathers fought under it. No other White American ethnic group has a flag they can be as proud of because the men who fought for the South are universally known as brave, moral, and chivalrous. A recognized fact no one can ever take from us. Therefore, it has the great potential of uniting millions. All of whom know immediately that it represents their blood, history, identity, and kin folks.

Click "White Patriot Party" below, then click on "photos" to view some inspiring scenes of the Confederate Battle Flag - 26 of them. (Also click to enlarge each one).

I think perhaps Goebbels was assuring potential foreign enemies that Germany would not try to export National Socialism into their capitalist/democratic countries - to relieve their fears about that. But it's just my guess.

As a southerner, the Confederate Battle Flag inspires me, as it does tens-of-millions of others whose forefathers fought under it. No other White American ethnic group has a flag they can be as proud of because the men who fought for the South are universally known as brave, moral, and chivalrous. A recognized fact no one can ever take from us. Therefore, it has the great potential of uniting millions. All of whom know immediately that it represents their blood, history, identity, and kin folks.

Click "White Patriot Party" below, then click on "photos" to view some inspiring scenes of the Confederate Battle Flag - 26 of them. (Also click to enlarge each one).

This is where we should draw the line of battle. The Battle Flag is an AMERICAN symbol. It is OURS! Fly the flag!

@Frank Gunn: Read the membership application. They have nonuniformed positions. They also have positions for supporters who are active and for those who are supportive. Look at the application here:

http://www.nsm88.com/jointhefight/membership.html

That takes care of my first concern.

There's just one more minute problem; Bill White. Does the NSM have an "optional spokesperson" form?

Bill "Argumentum ad hominem" White will be the downfall of the NSM and anything else he touches.

That takes care of my first concern.

There's just one more minute problem]

Honestly, if that's your opinion, don't join.

There is a rule barring public attacks on your NSM comrades. There are at least two people on this board we've expelled for exactly that.

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"[color="DarkRed"]Be radical, have principles, [color="darkred"]be absolute, [color="darkred"]be that which the bourgeoisie calls an extremist: give yourself without counting or calculating, [color="darkred"]don't accept what they call ‘the reality of life' and act in such a way that you won't be accepted by that kind of ‘life', never abandon the principle of struggle."

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Oh, and read National Socialist magazine.