I agree with unifying the WN movement, but it simply won't happen as long as THIS is associated with it:

And Hal's idea is nothing new. Many others before him have suggested the same thing - including myself. But as long as Nazis refuse to abandon their symbols, men like Jared Taylor, David Duke (a former Nazi himself), Paul Fromm, and other intellectuals of the movement simply won't buy into it.

Instead, Hal should focus his energies on the National Socialist Movement exclusively, don their stormtrooper uniform, and become their "Joseph Goebbels". I would start him out with the rank of Oberleutnant Turner.

You say that like its a bad thing. If our symbols keep Duke and Taylor away, then let's fly them higher and more often!

Uniting all WN groups under one banner will never work. Too many clashes on numerous levels. What should be strived for however is unity of purpose. At the very least WN groups should be able to go about their respective business without any drama. Just be repectful of others and (hopefully) they will be respectfull towards you, then get on with your business. Also, try and avoid coming off as arrogant towards others involved in our cause. Just because one group does things this way and another does 'em different doesn't mean one should hold it over the others that their efforts may get more media results or that their way puts them in direct contact with White communities, or whatever. All siad though, this is probably a pipe dream. We,(the collective we) seem to be overly interested in movement drama, I know I'm guilty of it. Maybe oneday we will all be big enough people to allow other WN groups to operate as they see fit, regardless of our personal opinions of theri activities, then we can get on with our own business, whatever it may be. And, if one is convinced that their method of doing things is superior to othes, demonstrate it, show the rest of us why that is and how it produces tangible results. At the very least we may indeed learn something from ya.

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They don't have to be unified as long as they are attacking the same enemies.

Really, in the movement the problem you have is bad leadership or no leadership at all. In the NSM, we've got all 3 types mentioned. Its a rare occasion that anyone clashes with anyone outside his or her "sub-group." The only drama problems we have are short lived because our leadership doesn't allow it to drag on. Normally, what you have is say, two klan guys join up. One guy was in a klan or in an associate klan with the other guy. They had a falling out. They see each other at a meeting or rally. Their old klan baggage gets tossed on top of our bullet train. Its the same thing in the skinhead thing. Old skinhead rivalrys come into play sometimes. The intellectuals in our ranks don't bicker very much though, honestly. Normally, its one conversation with them and they're happy or at least acting like it.
Sometimes someone doesn't get their way, so they get mad and leave. Other times they get kicked out for how they handled their argument with someone.

Uniting everyone under one flag will never work in the current state things are in. Everyone wants to be in charge and everyone has a petty problem with someone. Oh they say its a huge problem, like someone is a rat, traitor or theif. In reality, 90% of the time, its something petty but a huge excuse is needed to put troops in the field. Sound familiar?

Anyhow, Hal talking last night about putting skinheads into some sort of goverment take over plan is absolute radio comedy at its best. I respect Hal to no end, but speaking as a skinhead myself, skins aren't as pro-active as they like to be thought of. I can say the same went for me in my early days. We sat around grumbling, drinking beer and cleaning rifles for years. Every now and again someone would get in trouble for something having little to do with the movement or nothing at all. A couple of guys would run for the hills and the rest would stand around looking at each other like a flying saucer had just dropped below the clouds. Sure, we were "ready" if someone or something made the first move, but really--do you have to be a skinhead to be combat ready? Everyone was combat ready, some were combat-willing but all seemed content with fighting powerless, insignifigant non-whites over what ammounted to nothing in terms of the movement. We've all seen a lot of lives wasted over shooting a nig-nog that would have eventually be killed by his brother or cousin anyway. Do you see my point? I think all of us in the movement, at least at some point, are afraid of real sucess.

The skinhead thing needs to be here, the intellectuals have a place and of coarse so do the activists. The skinheads need more/better leadership, less gang-like thuggery. The intellectuals need to dump the tea-cups and their leadership. The activists need to quit expecting both camps to act according to their opinions, even if they are right about it. This is a good point to expand on too: quit expecting people who aren't activists now to become activists because its the right thing to do. They aren't now because they don't want to be. If they want to come over and try their hand at something effective, they will. If they haven't until now, I can almost garrantee there is something going on that you wouldn't want around you or you in the middle of. Either that or they'd be peeing all over their seat on the bus all the way to the next rally. Thats all I got.

You misspelled "of course" and "guarantee".

And you made me spill my tea cup.

They don't have to be unified as long as they are attacking the same enemies.

I agree. One thing everyone has to remember too is what kind of people we're dealing with. Most everyone in the movement is a self-starter on some level or another. The more of a self-starter you are, normally the higher up in the movement you climb. Even the gang-element in the movement have their share of fast burners. Most self-starters aren't patient, some are down right narcisistic (sp?). Most of them are smarter than average. Some have very little social skill or all social technique and no charector (numerous names spring to mind). Some are down right desperate and were thinking of taking illegal action right before they decided to give the movement a try first. Put all that together and the idea of unity might as well be the idea of the a nubian moon base. The unity we do have now, we're lucky to have.

You misspelled "of course" and "guarantee".

And you made me spill my tea cup.

Sorry about your tea. I guess now the tea-cups can now consider me part of the thug-element for doing you harm.

My misspellings get worse the longer post I make. Its like I stop paying attention to grammer at some point and get caught up in what I'm typing.

CD: You say that like its a bad thing. If our symbols keep Duke and Taylor away, then let's fly them higher and more often!

Whether you worship the Nazi flag or not, your comments only bolster MY point - i.e., that Hal Turner will NOT be able to unify the "intellectuals", "skinheads", and "internet activists" under one umbrella. Hal fervently claims we can "unite" the Dukes, Taylors, and Fromms with the rest of the WN movement but surely you must realize that he can't.

The real White resistance will come from the ranks of those who are in grade school today.

It's our job to prepare the way. To polarize and agitate. To inject race into every public and private debate. To be a constant and growing irritant to the Jews.

It is inevitable that AmeriKwa will soon implode. The center can not hold.

Prepare. Something wicked this way comes.

Whether you worship the Nazi flag or not, your comments only bolster MY point - i.e., that Hal Turner will NOT be able to unify the "intellectuals", "skinheads", and "internet activists" under one umbrella. Hal fervently claims we can "unite" the Dukes, Taylors, and Fromms with the rest of the WN movement but surely you must realize that he can't.

Oh, I'm with you on that. The only way you'll come close to unifying even the majority is if you do something so great that people can't help but either fall in behind you or at least give you credit. No one's a conscript here. The idea of White Nationalism has generally taken them to the point you find them at. Show them you can give them something solid and they'll fall in. Do they want beer-soaked parties and gang-type power? Some do, they'll follow you. Do you want victory in the streets as you spread the word to each town you show up in? Some do, they'll follow you. Do you want to blab all day about the right way of doing things and what you may do later? Believe it or not, some will even follow you if you do that. We've got no shortage of followers, just not many good leaders and a surplus of drama.

Something wicked this way comes.

The title of a Ray Bradbury book, if I recall, though he too borrowed the phrase from elsewhere - perhaps the Bible.

Organizing the 3 factions of White Nationalism:
1) The Intellectuals
2) The Social / Activist / Internet folks, AND]

This isn't going to work.

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