I submit this however, a man on an enlisted man's army pension with five kids (he provides for), who donates hundreds of dollars a month to WN causes?!

And I believe he does, Rich, I'm not disputing that. I just wonder how a man in his position could possibly afford that without remuneration from ZOG in one form or another?
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That thought crossed my mind too. It was one of those 'WOW, how did he swing a retirement setup like that?' type of moment. I know he drove a truck for a while on top of service retirement pay but he did serve some lost income time behind bars did he not?

You make some good points, assuming people are fungible. However Glenn Miller happens to be the kind of rare individual our movement can't afford to lose. I know. Unlike most of you, I've actually met him.

As the printer-collector-shipper of the AA Miller is completely fungible. His experience, ideas and/or wisdom (i.e. his non-fungibility) can be imparted via internet forums, letters, essays, etc.

EdbergEdberg:

Both Miller and Linder are committed to educating the masses of white people through internet publishing and the mass distribution of legal pro-white literature. This is what I support. So if Miller is working for the Feds (and I don't believe he is) then what harm can he do? I say if Miller is a double agent on the Federal payroll, then give us ten thousand more just like him. This WN movement might really get somewhere then!

But for those who still worship the Order and its now imprisoned members, I can see why having a guy like Miller in their midst would make them paranoid. You see, most all of these people see themselves as "hardcore", and this really means that they believe in and fantasize about the kinds of "hardcore" illegal activities that the Order engaged in. They think this is the way to go. So hell no, such a group certainly doesn't need anyone with Glenn Miller's past record among them.

EdbergEdberg makes a couple of points here, but some things just can't be argued away and that's unfortunate (for all parties involved) but that's just the way it is.

Miller's not the big issue for Linder. Linder is the issue. It's not about Miller, or shouldn't be. Linder worked with Miller simply because Miller showed himself to be more serious-minded and active than almost anyone else. As long as Miller wants to work and support him, I think Linder should allow him to. Since when do we turn away good and sincere active supporters?

But let's keep things in their true perspective. Linder is in charge. Miller is just a good supporter. As long as he is honest and loyal and productive and efficient -- which he has been -- why should Linder shun Miller's help? He damend sure won't get similar support from NorCal and Lindstedt and that crowd of freaks.

Linder should write and publish the work of other talented writers he attracts... just as he has been doing. If he needs funding to pay to keep VNN up and running, he should ask for it. Nothing wrong with fund appeals. And again, Linder should accept the help of anyone who is sincere and talented, or who works hard, who offers it. But stay true to his own path.

When I think back on how much money Linder raised for Chester Doles, I can't imagine why Linder should have a problem raising funds for this website. Again, he just needs to ask for it. If you don't ask, you don't get. It's that simple. Alex just needs to promote himself and his work better than he has been doing. He has a lot of talent. There is no reason why he should have to cut deals with Bill White or White Revolution or anyone else who wants to use him. Just go to work and ask for our support.

When I think back on how much money Linder raised for Chester Doles, I can't imagine why Linder should have a problem raising funds for this website. Again, he just needs to ask for it. If you don't ask, you don't get. It's that simple. Alex just needs to promote himself and his work better than he has been doing. He has a lot of talent. There is no reason why he should have to cut deals with Bill White or White Revolution or anyone else who wants to use him. Just go to work and ask for our support.

It's a White man thing, Ed! Asking for money for some other White guy is known as courtesy and honor. Asking money for oneself is called begging.

A distinction that served us well in the past but in the present jew world has become a liability we have to deal with.

It's a White man thing, Ed! Asking for money for some other White guy is known as courtesy and honor. Asking money for oneself is called begging.

A distinction that served us well in the past but in the present jew world has become a liability we have to deal with.

Steve and Edberg are both right. The Doles campaign succeded because it had a specific goal, a specific target, and three men involved, Doles, Moran, and me, whom people trusted. I don't like general fundraising as much as specific -- it doesn't cost any site on the internet "thousands of dollars" for hosting. People who claim costs like that abuse trust. VNN has never been about money, and it never will be. But as Edberg rightly says, we must never be shy to demand the money we need to do the job.

VNN is evolving toward street politics. The TAA paper is just the first step. We're going to grow the WN movement out of the childish, anonymous costume-fetishism that has dominated it for so long -- without falling into the trap of pretending "luv" alone will win the day.

What this recent imbroglio has shown is the need to run the whole thing in-house. That's what we will do. No one will hijack us again. We will get our own server, host our family of VNN sites, and other good sites, as we have room and time. The experience with Bill White and White Revolution shows this is the only way to go, therefore it is the way we will go.

White Nationalism needs but lacks an organization that is run:

1) by honest men
2) in a financially transparent manner

If such an organization is created, it will draw the good men our cause needs to succeed.

Politically, the organization must focus on the jew as the Systemic obstacle to White self-protection and the Systemic cause of white dispossession and pending genocide. In my political estimation, no group that doesn't name and blame the jew is worth spit. The twin focus must be:

- Aryan advocacy leading to Aryan-controlled territory
- naming the root-cause jew: the wrecker of our nation, and the cause of our dispossession

That way only lies success. It was true 4.5 years ago, and it remains true today.

Glad to see you're back in control and those WR assholes have flown the coop, Alex. I thought it was curtains for sure.....

There are some of us here who will remain loyal and not stab you in the back when things are looking bad.

Glad to see you're back in control and those WR assholes have flown the coop, Alex. I thought it was curtains for sure.....

Nah, itz never curtains. There are many hosts out there, more every day. We will do what we have to to keep the site up. As I've said, we still are on the WR server until we get our own set up, and for this reason, some regular posters have told me they will refrain from posting until I give the all-clear. That is what happens when trust is abused.

There are some of us here who will remain loyal and not stab you in the back when things are looking bad.

That is noted and appreciated. WR thought it was doing the right thing. What it actually did was further the idea that absolutely no one or nothing in this movement can be trusted. If Glenn Miller were a hosting deal-breaker, that could have been brought up when he joined the forum.

Alex you broke our trust when you befriended a man who informed on not only the Order but several men who were completely legal and had nothing to do with the Order. We tried the diplomatic way with you and you broke our trust when at first you decided to ignore us and then making excuses for your support of Miller. You were not just putting your own neck on the line here Alex, you put WR's and everyone who posts here on VNN. Perhaps maybe we pussyfooted around on the issuse for too long and that has been duely noted. We were trying to cut you some slack but I guess some people just can't be given slack.

Chris Quimby
WRMC

That is noted and appreciated. WR thought it was doing the right thing. What it actually did was further the idea that absolutely no one or nothing in this movement can be trusted. If Glenn Miller were a hosting deal-breaker, that could have been brought up when he joined the forum.

You talk about loyalty and backstabbing. Ok let me just put myself in your shoes for a minute and just assume that ok Miller was justified in testfying against the Order, a argument that I think is completely ignorant. What about Richard Butler, Bob Miles, Louis Beam did Miller not have some sort of loaylty to these men?? The fact is Miller backstabbed these men and now you guys are allowing him back into our moevement and rolling out the red carpet for him no less. You have no room to talk about loyalty and backstabbing.

Chris Quimby
WRMC

Later.

You have every right to your opinions, Draco, of course. But you said some things that surprised me coming from you based on reading your posts for the last few years on SF and here. I have always thought highly of you and I guess I expected you to be loyal. You said some pretty nasty things about Alex. There is a difference between objective disagreement and personal bashing. Lemmings are worthless, but so are backstabbers.

You talk about loyalty and backstabbing. Ok let me just put myself in your shoes for a minute and just assume that ok Miller was justified in testfying against the Order, a argument that I think is completely ignorant. What about Richard Butler, Bob Miles, Louis Beam did Miller not have some sort of loaylty to these men?? The fact is Miller backstabbed these men and now you guys are allowing him back into our moevement and rolling out the red carpet for him no less. You have no room to talk about loyalty and backstabbing.

Chris Quimby
WRMC

Hey Mr. Broken Record, don't you White Devolutionists have a venue of your own? Enough is enough. Go rob a bank or something.

These charges against Miller are pretty serious! I know, let's go see what Miller has to say in his defense. After all, every one accused has a right to make a statement in his defense, right?

Oh wait--I can't find Miller's posts! That's right, the petty vandals of White Devolution went ahead and deleted everything Miller has to say!

Augustus Sutter on another thread: How weak is your position if you don't give the man you are demonizing a chance to defend himself?

Probably very.

Augustus Sutter: A jewish tactic itz!

Agreed.

Alex you broke our trust when you befriended a man who informed on not only the Order but several men who were completely legal and had nothing to do with the Order. We tried the diplomatic way with you and you broke our trust when at first you decided to ignore us and then making excuses for your support of Miller. You were not just putting your own neck on the line here Alex, you put WR's and everyone who posts here on VNN. Perhaps maybe we pussyfooted around on the issuse for too long and that has been duely noted. We were trying to cut you some slack but I guess some people just can't be given slack.

Chris Quimby
WRMC

That is noted and appreciated. WR thought it was doing the right thing. What it actually did was further the idea that absolutely no one or nothing in this movement can be trusted. If Glenn Miller were a hosting deal-breaker, that could have been brought up when he joined the forum.

blah blah blah cry me a river. Man I wish Miller would hurry up and sick the JTTF on you already.

These charges against Miller are pretty serious! I know, let's go see what Miller has to say in his defense. After all, every one accused has a right to make a statement in his defense, right?

Oh wait--I can't find Miller's posts! That's right, the petty vandals of White Devolution went ahead and deleted everything Miller has to say!

Augustus Sutter on another thread: How weak is your position if you don't give the man you are demonizing a chance to defend himself?

Probably very.

Augustus Sutter: A jewish tactic itz!

Agreed.

Hey Mr. Broken Record, don't you White Devolutionists have a venue of your own? Enough is enough. Go rob a bank or something.

LOL! Really -- ain't there a Brink's truck you guys wanna waylay somewhere?!

Alex you broke our trust when you befriended a man who informed on not only the Order but several men who were completely legal and had nothing to do with the Order. We tried the diplomatic way with you and you broke our trust when at first you decided to ignore us and then making excuses for your support of Miller. You were not just putting your own neck on the line here Alex, you put WR's and everyone who posts here on VNN. Perhaps maybe we pussyfooted around on the issuse for too long and that has been duely noted. We were trying to cut you some slack but I guess some people just can't be given slack.

Chris Quimby
WRMC

Nobody ever said anything but that they were in some unclear way worried about Miller. I would have immediately moved to find other arrangements if it were clear he were absolutely intolerable. I didn't befriend Miller; he wrote me and asked me to post some stuff responding to attacks on him, I believe made by Lindstedt. I did, as I would have done for you or anyone, it just seemed fair. I also told him I would do it once, and he could get on and defend himself, which he did. He thought up a project that seemed valuable to me, it seemed to work with members, we did it. "Friends" has very little to do with any of this. Trust is far more basic. I have a life; I'm not looking for friends. I'm solely interested in achieving a goal, and I will work with anybody with guts and loyalty and ability who can help me accomplish it. I detest the juvenile cliqueishness that typifies the movement at this time. We must transcend it.