fuck, that is a good one. raises some serious questions doesnt it?

In about 1992 a similar Boeing crashed on a flat in Amsterdan, next to the flat I was living in. That was a big flat and it was totally destroyed.

Whatever flew into the Pentagon, it wasn't a Boeing 747.

Interesting how the professional debunkers immediately react with long Slowjewski-like posts on the forum. check out http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&l=0&aid=18542#0

If a statement is suppressed instead of proven wrong, you can bet it's true.

This ties in with some flight 93 research I have been looking into after I spotted a Lear jet in grey military tones parked on the FAA side of the airport near Atlantic City. It looked something like this:

This one is owned by Phoenix Air, a government contractor - http://www.phoenixair.com/force/home.html

"The Phoenix Air mission is to sharpen your edge. Phoenix Air is a world leader in real-time threat training to military fighter aircraft, ships and air surveillance units. Phoenix Air uses its proven and affordable training wing, which includes a wide range of equipment and state-of-the-art combat training services, to make your team razor sharp."

Also, I came across this which tells of some shennanigans between ZOG, the Navy and "private" contractors:

Navy Secretly Contracted Jets Used by CIA

By SETH HETTENA, Associated Press Writer

Saturday, September 24, 2005

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(09-24) 11:23 PDT SAN DIEGO, (AP) --

A branch of the U.S. Navy secretly contracted a 33-plane fleet that included two Gulfstream jets reportedly used to fly terror suspects to countries known to practice torture, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

At least 10 U.S. aviation companies were issued classified contracts in 2001 and 2002 by the obscure Navy Engineering Logistics Office for the "occasional airlift of USN (Navy) cargo worldwide," according to Defense Department documents the AP obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

Two of the companies — Richmor Aviation Inc. http://www.richmor.com and Premier Executive Transport Services Inc. http://www.atsnn.com/story/107490.html — chartered luxury Gulfstreams that flew terror suspects captured in Europe to Egypt, according to U.S. and European media reports. Once there, the men told family members, they were tortured. Authorities in Italy and Sweden have expressed outrage over flights they say were illegal and orchestrated by the U.S. government.

While the Gulfstreams came under scrutiny in 2001, what hasn't been disclosed is the Navy's role in contracting planes involved in operations the CIA terms "rendition" and what Italian prosecutors call kidnapping.

"A lot of us have been focusing on the role of the CIA but also suspecting that certain parts of the armed forces are involved," said Margaret Satterthwaite, a New York University School of Law researcher who has investigated renditions.

The Navy contracts involve more planes than previously reported — other news outlets totaled 26 planes; the AP identified 33 planes.

Italian judges have issued arrest warrants for 19 purported CIA operatives who allegedly snatched a Muslim cleric from Milan in 2003 and flew him to Cairo, according to FAA records cited by the Chicago Tribune, aboard Richmor's Gulfstream IV. The jet belongs to a part-owner of the Boston Red Sox, who told The Boston Globe that the team's logo was covered when the CIA leased the plane. Another case involves two men taken from Sweden to Egypt in 2001 aboard Premier's Gulfstream V.

Neither the CIA nor a Navy spokeswoman at the Pentagon would comment for this story. Officials at the Navy Engineering Logistics Office, or NELO, in Arlington, Va., didn't respond to messages requesting comment.

Joseph P. Duenas, counsel for the logistics office, declined to provide the contracts, saying they "involve national security information that is classified."

The secrecy surrounding the deals makes it unclear why NELO issued them, but one reason may be the office's anonymity — the agency is so buried within the Pentagon bureaucracy that some career Navy officials have never heard of it.

John Hutson, a retired rear admiral who was the Navy's Judge Advocate General from 1997 to 2000 and is critical of the Bush administration's detainee policies, said he was not familiar with NELO. Told of its activities, Hutson said NELO employees could be held liable if they knew the planes would be used for renditions. Human rights lawyers allege rendition flights violate criminal law.

The office has been around since the mid-1970s, according to a former employee who spoke on condition of anonymity because NELO's activities are secret. NELO operates under different names: it's also known as the Navy's Office of Special Projects and its San Diego location is called the Navy Regional Plant Equipment Office.

None of those names is listed in the U.S. Government Manual, the official compilation of federal departments, agencies and offices. A man who answered the phone at NELO's Arlington office refused to give his name or the agency's address, suggesting it may be classified.

In court documents filed in the case of a fired Office of Special Projects whistleblower, government attorneys described the agency's principal function as "the conduct of foreign intelligence or counterintelligence activities."

The AP learned of the airplane contracts through a Freedom of Information Act request that focused on a different subject — permits granted to all 10 aviation companies that let them land at any Navy base worldwide.

The permits list planes operated by the companies and a contract number issued by NELO. The numbers provide some details about the contracts, including when they were issued, but do not say when they expire. In the documents the AP reviewed, contracts were issued in 2001 and 2002 and were cited on landing permits issued in 2004. The NELO contract numbers also appear on permits issued in 2003 and 2004 that allowed seven of the companies to buy fuel at military bases worldwide.

The permits list 31 planes under NELO contract other than the two Gulfstreams. They include a small Cessna; three huge Lockheed Hercules cargo planes; a Gulfstream 1159a; a Lear Jet 35A; a DC-3; two Boeing 737s; and a 53-passenger DeHavilland DH-8 photographed by plane spotters in Afghanistan.

Ownership of the planes is shielded behind a maze of paperwork and elusive executives.

James J. Kershaw is listed as president of three of the companies, located in Massachusetts, Tennessee and North Carolina. Two other companies share the same vice president, Colleen Bornt. Extensive public record searches could not locate either of them.

Record searches also failed to turn up information on Leonard T. Bayard, whose firm bought Premier Executive Transport Services' Gulfstream. The address of Bayard's firm is the Portland, Ore., office of attorney Scott Caplan.

Asked if his client is a real person, Caplan replied: "No comment."

As I stated before, I live near the 177th NG interceptor base that has a 15 minute fly-time to NYC and I saw and heard nothing that morning when all hell broke loose. This whole thing stinks like a jew.

This has been taken down from several sites across the net, so hurry while it lasts.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

was it a missle or aircraft? If it was aircraft, was there a pilot or was it remote controlled?

I find it extremely curious (as curious as I find the expert demolition-precise implosion of the WTC) that the "plane" struck the part of the Pentagon that was mostly vacant due to renovations. Why haven't the other vids from the hotel, the gas station and the interstate been released - if they affirm the official line?

Methinks I smell a reeking PNAC kike rat......

Oh good, let's rehash an old conspiracy theory and pretend that we are somehow "fighting the Jew". Of COURSE the US military, upon which America's worldwide superpower status is based, would want to attack its own headquarters!! They needed this as a PRETENSE FOR WAR!! Just like all those other times when they needed a pretense for war because we all know that our government adheres directly to the Constitution at all times and thus needs to prove the existence of a "clear and present danger". And of course Israel would WANT to weaken the ONLY THING THAT IS PRESERVING ITS EXISTENCE as much as possible. They are geniuses but stupid, always remember that.

This has already been debunked.

1. Boeing Debris WAS found in the Pentagon. Anyone who expects a plane to pass through several rings of one of the world's strongest buildings and actually remain even remotely intact is a complete idiot.

2. The video states that "preliminary witness statements claim they saw 'something like a missile..." OOPS!! A little LIE! Preliminary witness statements said that they SAW THE PLANE and that it was flying "like a missile". Those statements became misinterpreted by that French idiot.

3. People often present misleading photographs of the Pentagon to claim that "the holes are too small" or similar nonsense. Unfortunately these people don't show you the whole story.

4. If it was a missile, what happened to the flight?

For those of you that are interested in living in REALITY, dealing with our REAL problems, read on and you will find just another conspiracy theory developed by nutjobs(non-WN) and adopted by WN-wannabes to distract us from ACTUAL issues.

Here's an evaluation of the damage at the Pentagon.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20010913/PentagonDamage.pdf

GEE HOW COULD THEY NOT FIND AN ALMOST INTACT AIRPLANE AFTER THAT?!!

An account of the crash:

"The plane banked sharply and came in so low that it clipped light poles. It slammed into the side of the Pentagon at an estimated 350 miles per hour after first hitting the helipad. The plane penetrated the outer three rings of the building. The jet fuel exploded, which sent a fireball outward from the impact point. About 30 minutes after the crash, a cross-section of the building collapsed, but only after enough time had elapsed for rescue workers to evacuate all injured employees.

The fire was so hot that firefighters could not approach the impact point itself until approximately 1 P.M. The collapse and roof fires left the inner courtyard visible from outside through a gaping hole. The area hit by the plane was newly renovated and reinforced, while the areas surrounding the impact zone were closed in preparation for renovation, so the death toll could have been much higher if another area had been hit. "

Hey what's that?! PLANE DEBRIS!! On the LAWN!!!

What did the fire chief say?

When asked by a journalist: "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?"

"First of all, the question about the aircraft, there are some small pieces of aircraft visible from the interior during this fire-fighting operation I'm talking about, but not large sections. In other words, there's no fuselage sections and that sort of thing." "You know, I'd rather not comment on that. We have a lot of eyewitnesses that can give you better information about what actually happened with the aircraft as it approached. So we don't know. I don't know."

4. If it was a missile, what happened to the flight?

That is the question that I had in mind. That video does bring up some interesting questions, though.

That is the question that I had in mind. That video does bring up some interesting questions, though.

The video is nothing but distraction, by an obvious anti-Nazi. The whole concept is that Bush needed a "pretense" for war. This of course is complete bullshit because they didn't need such a massive pretense for Korea, Grenada, Panama, Bosnia, Kosovo, Vietnam, etc. Why would they take such a risk, and it is indeed a risk if internet jockeys can "solve the mystery" sometimes within DAYS of an event happening. Think about it, this government couldn't even hide the President getting head from a fat chick only about 2 years after the fact. But somehow they still manage to avoid massive scandal involving the death of THOUSANDS of Americans?

This government had all the "pretense" it needed to start the "war on terror"- they never needed a new terrorist attack to go after Saddam now did they?

The key issue is this- the reality of 9-11 brings up many complicated but crucial issues about US foriegn policy and its relationship with the parasite state of Israel. It brings up questions and inevitable solutions that serious-minded people would need to undertake in the future. The conspiracy path is a fantasy land for those that don't want to deal with those questions much less do anything about it. Adherents can make themselves feel special by telling everyone how they "know what really happened". At the same time it provides excitement in the form of some almost omnipotent bogeyman who is inferior only to those who "know about the conspiracy".

The big problem I have with the whole Pentagon plane thing is the FBI running around snatching video footage. If they needed the strike to propagandize the people in favor of war (though I do agree that the US generally sends the army out to wherever they want them. Hell, they don't even bother declaring war anymore), why hide the footage from cameras? You would think that the stuff would have great propaganda value for the sheeple.

The video is nothing but distraction

Only if you limit your mind to one theory or explanation of events.

As for eyewitnesses, I would caution against dismissing them. Right now, the government has the spin machine in high gear over what really happened in New Orleans. Should we discount the statements of foreign tourists and others quoted in the foreign presses simply because the government offers a differing view?

Hey Slowjewski, who controls the media?

Did you ever consider the very strong possibility that you're a fucking kook?

If you claim it's a missle, how can you explain this?: dead bodies

One person who I pointed this minor fact out to, who is also a missle conspiratorialist, said that body parts could have been secretly transported to the scene from meat lockers.

As far as I'm concerned this whole issue is a fait accompli. And a needless distraction to WNs.

As for eyewitnesses, I would caution against dismissing them. Right now, the government has the spin machine in high gear over what really happened in New Orleans. Should we discount the statements of foreign tourists and others quoted in the foreign presses simply because the government offers a differing view?

I am not dismissing the witnesses, I am actually saying that we should listen to their ACTUAL claims rather than the distortion of some French author who should have taken the time to better translate the statements.

Hey Slowjewski, who controls the media?

You mean the same media from which nutjobs like you present "proof" of your idiotic theories? It seems the media is 100% trustworthy when you NEED it to be. And once again, you are just another anonymous coward calling a REAL racialist a "Jew". Shut the fuck up before I am forced to post your quote about Prussian Blue.

Did you ever consider the very strong possibility that you're a fucking kook?

Hmm let's see, I demand evidence, you support any conspiracy theory regardless if they contradict each other. Who is the "kook" now?